Stevie & Christine in Nashville

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by nicole21290

ALL be happy?! Unless you LIKE and even LOVE both Stevie solo, Lindsey solo, Stevie and Lindsey together, Stevie w/ Lady A, Lady A solo, Lindsey w/ NIN, NIN solo, and Fleetwood Mac together... #widerpalateoftastesapparently

Besides, Lady A was just a temp. job for her. She knows where she belongs, lol.

“The dream was very short. And the dream was actually very fun. But I just want to clarify that so that when my other half hears this, he doesn’t get all pissed off, because it wasn’t that kind of a dream. We were just having our usual little disagreement, because that’s what we do. And I laughingly said to him, ‘Well, fine. I’ll just go join Lady Antebellum.’ And then the dream ended, and I sat up, and there it was." (SN)

Did she actually say this about Lindsey?? oh myyy.

[bombaysaffires]

Speaking of which I wonder if Reese still has the condo and if so Stevie & company could be staying there after all it would be "Cheaper Than Free"...


C'mon now, you know Stevie ain't staying in no condo… she's in the nearest 5 star presidential suite "Because I demand it"

[sparky]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I don't think anyone had to suck him very hard to have him produce FM again.
Michele

This is a delightfully graphic and unexpected image for you to present.

But on any imaginable level it is also so hideous that I must banish it from my mind if I ever hope to be aroused again. The combination of Lindsey's withered flanks and the smoke wrinkled and dry mouths of any FM members in combination is enough to make even James Franco or Sasha Grey swear off sexual activity for life. Or, you know, pick your favorite movie and porn stars to plug into that sentence. Same difference. It is a boner killer of epic magnitude.

On another note, all this FM drama is so TIRESOME. It doesn't matter if it is the Nashville "mystery" or the "who is producing" mystery or the "do Stevie and Lindsey get along" mythology. It is all manufactured by the band. And it all plays into the original Rumours drama that they all believe fuels the enduring interest in the group. It was all fascinating when People magazine covered it in the 70's and the sexual revolution was going on. That was when people were smoking "lids" and everyone was passed out in bean bags listening to music on headphones and puka shells were sexy. It was a stinky, dreamy, idyllic romantic pre-AIDS world with a Woodstock hangover.

Which is pretty much what the band has been trading on, media wise, ever since. And don't think for one minute that all their interviews aren't for the most part canned. Publicists tell those interviewers what they can and cannot ask. The only one who is ever somewhat candid is Stevie, and as nuts as we all know she is, she tells the same stories over and over and over and over and over. Why do you think everyone craps their drawers when she mentions a detail about a car with a broken transmission?

I find it sad that this band has been caught up in their own personal drama for so long that they haven't managed to make any decent music since 1982. They have a glimmer here and there, but as I look back, it is a sad state of affairs. They are such an immature pile of sods. The pile mostly consisting of Lindsey and Stevie.

As a mature functioning adult, I cannot romanticize their crap. All they talk about is each other in the press. It is hard to separate the publicistspeak from the codependent childish masturbatory fetishism of their own conflicts. Do people really care anymore? It has been almost 40 YEARS. It isn't romantic, folks. It is pathetic. Does anyone reading this still obsess over and talk and write about a relationship that is even over 5 years dead? 10 years? Beyond that? Really? Exactly how humiliated does that make you feel?

I think about my own job and life, and frankly, I don't like drama. I don't encourage it in my world anymore. It was fun until 30. But now I cut it out like a tumor. That is a sign of maturity and adulthood. And regardless of the reality of their lives, those two talk about their drama and conflict non stop. The conceit being that the conflict creates "great art." Yeah, maybe if you are living with it. Sleeping with it. But not if you are making love to your own grief for over 3 decades. Then it is just a little sad and a whole lot gruesome. Grow the hell up already. I think that is one reason most of their songs have no real gravity anymore and no marked resonance with the public. It is just incest and scrapbook navel gazing. Why do you think Stevie keeps raiding the "vault"?

Around 1983 I thought it was kind of cute that those two were still obsessing about their "great romance" and writing songs about each other. About 1997 I found it quite curious. 17 years later I find it morbid.

So with the drama, faked or not, still going on with those two, I don't care a bit about a new album. I wish Lindsey would write a good song about his wife. Or his aging. Or about the real reason he hates Stevie - that she became the huge star and focal point of the band he worked so hard on. Funny how that never comes up in the interviews. It is the most obvious thing in the world. She is the icon. She is the one everyone writes about. She will be the most remembered. Not him. How about writing or talking about that difficult truth? That could be great art.

On the flip side, how about Stevie do the same? Face that core conflict and write about it? There isn't much truth with those two. Just smoke and mirrors. At 48 I can't stand having people in my own daily life who can't face and talk about the truth head on. So I certainly can't cotton to it in pop stars. I expect more.

Maybe Christine will bring some balance to the staged shi*tshow. I am not holding my breath. Sorry to say it, but the whole Mac thing has really run out of steam for me. Same old ad copy that was used in a Rolling Stone random notes mention in the early 80's. I wish these people would say something new. Do something new. Write about something new.

But kudos to Michele for that astonishingly heinous sexual image.

[nicole21290]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Did she actually say this about Lindsey?? oh myyy.

She absolutely did!

The reporter/editor made a few helpful additions to the text so we wouldn't get 'confused' so I just grabbed out what she ACTUALLY said. THIS is what the original article said. Tres amusing...

And this particular coupling was Nicks’ own idea, coming out of a dream she had where she was cheating on Lindsey Buckingham, musically speaking. “The dream was very short,” Nicks says. “And the dream was actually very fun. But I just want to clarify that so that when my other half hears this” (by “other half,” she means her professional partner Buckingham), “he doesn’t get all pissed off, because it wasn’t that kind of a dream. We were just having our usual little disagreement [in the dream], because that’s what we do. And I laughingly said to him, ‘Well, fine. I’ll just go join Lady Antebellum.’ And then the dream ended, and I sat up, and there it was.”

source: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...um-come-629040

[brickney723]

Originally Posted by sparky

Around 1983 I thought it was kind of cute that those two were still obsessing about their "great romance" and writing songs about each other. About 1997 I found it quite curious. 17 years later I find it morbid.

Maybe it's just partially because I'm female and younger than you.. but I think this element is the most romantic thing EVER. True love never dies! Keep on making those artistic statements, Lindsey.. and keep writing about what's in your heart, both. As an artist, not doing that would be the manufactured and fake thing.

[elle]

Originally Posted by sparky

I wish Lindsey would write a good song about his wife. Or his aging. Or about the real reason he hates Stevie - that she became the huge star and focal point of the band he worked so hard on. Funny how that never comes up in the interviews. It is the most obvious thing in the world. She is the icon. She is the one everyone writes about. She will be the most remembered. Not him. How about writing or talking about that difficult truth? That could be great art.

see i used to wonder about exactly what you worded here when i first got sucked into (man you just killed using this word for me! ) LB's music. also, why not write age-appropriate songs, instead of being stuck in teenage years all your life. i think he moved somewhat into that territory with his later work though, and it's refreshing when it pops up.

he likes to think of himself as some kind of noble martyr, and exposing this ugly naked raw human truth the way you so bluntly put it would certainly not fit the bill. doesn't it sound much better and more romantic if he instead projects that he selflessly loved the woman who dumped and used him while he did everything for her? instead of saying i'm a bitter angry and jealous man because i did everything while she collected all the fruits of that labor and i cannot get out of that rut? although he does say that somewhat less bluntly in some of his songs - both early angry ones and later more contemplative ones... of course the way he says it (especially in the more recent songs), it can be interpreted either way, which you can say is the way to write poetry anyway - so everybody can interpret it the way it fits their views and needs. that's where you have this never-ending discussions between someone who sees glimpses of that career dissatisfaction sprinkled in many many songs of his, while romantics will see just eternal love and longing for one woman in those same lyrics. Not Too Late gets pretty clear about how he felt about his career.

for me, Cast Away Dreams is very much so too, about being on the crossroads of letting all that ambition finally go (and for eternal love romantics it's just another song about SN).

at some point he must have finally decided that all that anger and bitterness and jealousy and dissatisfaction is not healthy (to put it mildly!), and he slowly got over all that, with lots of therapy, yoga, meditation, who knows what. and that's why now you have It Takes Time and lyrics like, maybe i wasted all this time trying to prove what's yours and what's mine (ie i forever tried to get the credit for all the work i've done for you)... but really, i did do all that work for you (whether to prove how good i am, or just because i could "raise to be my better self"). of course, romantics will take these "all for you" lyrics as the ultimate proof that eternal love exists and this man is that rare breed of selflessly forever loving one-woman man.

Sad Angel and Miss Fantasy lyrics are pretty blunt and clear too - basically saying - you are the star of the show, hey come on over and join us, get over any disagreements, lets make more money (crowd calling out for more, on with the show).

[elle]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I don't think anyone had to suck him very hard to have him produce FM again.

Originally Posted by sparky

This is a delightfully graphic and unexpected image for you to present.

if i remember correctly, he was very clear that he prefers oral sex to cheese, in a recent interview.

[nicole21290]

Originally Posted by elle

he likes to think of himself as some kind of noble martyr, and exposing this ugly naked raw human truth the way you so bluntly put it would certainly not fit the bill. doesn't it sound much better and more romantic if he instead projects that he selflessly loved the woman who dumped and used him while he did everything for her? instead of saying i'm a bitter angry and jealous man because i did everything while she collected all the fruits of that labor and i cannot get out of that rut?

Yes, as Stevie said, he'll hang himself up on a cross to make a point, lol. I mean, OF COURSE he'll emphasise the ways in which he's cared for her and tried to do the right thing for her even thought he'd been dumped. And she'll emphasise the ways she cared for him. It's a natural instinct. I also think some of the bitterness/anger people talk about that they think Lindsey went through comes from a slightly different source - I think that some of it is more resentment at that fame pulling her away from him, rather than fame coming to her in a more general way MORE than him. *shrugs*

although he does say that somewhat less bluntly in some of his songs - both early angry ones and later more contemplative ones... of course the way he says it (especially in the more recent songs), it can be interpreted either way, which you can say is the way to write poetry anyway - so everybody can interpret it the way it fits their views and needs. that's where you have this never-ending discussions between someone who sees glimpses of that career dissatisfaction sprinkled in many many songs of his, while romantics will see just eternal love and longing for one woman in those same lyrics. Not Too Late gets pretty clear about how he felt about his career.

Ah, yes. Or one can see some kind of dissatisfaction with a career, songs with a tinge of politics, talk of learning to prioritise as well as eternal love and longing for one woman. Often his songs combine more than one thing, I would say. Even something like Peacekeeper which is fairly overtly political in many ways has relational elements to it and he's talked about writing that one in terms of considering the impact of things on a married couple. Yes, Not Too Late DOES say that. And then things like Show You How combine elements of the career and relationship and show the impact one has on the other. And I LOVE that.

for me, Cast Away Dreams is very much so too, about being on the crossroads of letting all that ambition finally go (and for eternal love romantics it's just another song about SN).

So, when he talks about CAD dealing with "wanting to prioritize properly and, in order to do that, they’re feeling like they pretty much have to give up on their muse" and then you read lyrics about his faith being gone, and addressing a 'magic one', and plans changing, and HEARTS BREAKING because of choices they have to make, what on earth do you imagine he's talking about? When he tells that person to sleep and dream of him, what the hell does that have to do with being on the crossroads of letting that 'ambition' go?Does it really not strike you as rather more 'personal' than 'professional', what he's giving up!? Also, 'eternal love romantics' are perfectly capable of also reading things like career discussion and politics and general philosophies of life into his lyrics, just so you're aware. Just as I would never say all Stevie's songs are about Lindsey, so I'd never say all his songs are about her.

at some point he must have finally decided that all that anger and bitterness and jealousy and dissatisfaction is not healthy (to put it mildly!), and he slowly got over all that, with lots of therapy, yoga, meditation, who knows what. and that's why now you have It Takes Time and lyrics like, maybe i wasted all this time trying to prove what's yours and what's mine (ie i forever tried to get the credit for all the work i've done for you)... but really, i did do all that work for you (whether to prove how good i am, or just because i could "raise to be my better self"). of course, romantics will take these "all for you" lyrics as the ultimate proof that eternal love exists and this man is that rare breed of selflessly forever loving one-woman man.

By the way, I suggest if you want to analyse Lindsey's lyrics that you have them down correctly first or said analysis is a little more difficult...

"Maybe I’ve just wasted all this precious time / I tried to prove what is and isn’t mine
Wondering to myself / If you knew it was all for you"

Yes, that part of the song can very easily be read in the way you suggest but I don't really think it fits either with the reality of how he's talked about things before (he's talked about 'proving' things to each OTHER in a more personal context than this), or with the rest of the song's lyrical content. The 'all for you' COULD be professional but I really do think it's more personal, to be honest, and I know you'll think that's just because I'm wearing my usual BN 'shipping' hat. That's fine. This is all just my opinion, naturally.

Can I ask how you would explain THESE lyrics from ITT then? I'd be interested in your POV, tbh, considering how you view the rest of the song. It has overlapping lyrical content with both Show You How and In Our Own Time and seems VERY personal. Who is being addressed?

"Slow down, baby
Cross that line
If you want to save me
It takes time"

And I don't view this song as any kind of ultimate proof. I DO think that that kind of love exists though, even if it morphs throughout a lifetime. And I do think he has been selfless on many occasions when it comes to Stevie - because he loved, and ultimately, loves her. I don't mind saying that.

Sad Angel and Miss Fantasy lyrics are pretty blunt and clear too - basically saying - you are the star of the show, hey come on over and join us, get over any disagreements, lets make more money (crowd calling out for more, on with the show).

REALLY!? You're correct that elements exist in both those songs of a 'professional - c'mon, people want to see you/us onstage! let's go!' angle but there's more. He talked about Sad Angel being written because of Stevie always having to fight, about the difficulty she's had. It's compassionate not just a 'I want $$$ so come record and play live with me!!!'. I mean, Miss Fantasy even starts out on a personal note - he's having ANOTHER dream of her, and he's grieving for Stevie because (we assume it's because of this) she's grieving the loss of her mother. That's not professional. I find his repetition of the 'I remember you' so darling, really, only because of the HUGE emphasis Stevie put on the content of the talk she had with him. She wanted to remind him, to make sure HE remembered how cute they were, how compassionate, how loving, how funny, etc.

How would you explain THESE lyrics in terms of the song being a professional calling card to convince her to come out and play with FM?

"Do you still tremble when I fall?
Will you still answer when I call?
Would you still love to linger up against a wall?"

"You’re the queen of the underground
Never leaving a clue"

And that line above - that doesn't make you think at all? About something other than professionalism? It gives callbacks to other songs, more personal ones like Under The Skin and Love Runs Deeper. And that's the kind of thing that interests me, and I know others too. It's all part of this dialogue which is ongoing. And no, not every song is about Stevie. And not every song is about Lindsey. But she still leaves a personal mark on MANY of his songs, whether they deal with his career, his life, or his dreams. And I love that. With no shame.

[elle]

Originally Posted by nicole21290

Yes, as Stevie said, he'll

see, right there, you lost me.


sorry, you wrote a really nice post but i have to respond to your questions, many of which i feel have been regurgitated over and over, by:

Originally Posted by sparky

all this FM drama is so TIRESOME.

although i feel that way, i do understand that this drama makes many happy and interested, and i guess that's great, we all get something out of this band, their music, and/or various members.

do i think it's a good thing for LB to advertise himself as a part of the drama couple instead of by the power of his music? no. i'm annoyed by it (and don't have any trouble expressing it to anybody who would listen ). but apparently he's fine with it.

[elle]

Originally Posted by nicole21290

my other half

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Did she actually say this about Lindsey?? oh myyy.

right? sounds like a blissful power couple living happily ever after, no?

although why still all the angst and longing expressed in songs?

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by sparky

As a mature functioning adult, I cannot romanticize their crap.

I think you can do it if you still think of "real love" like a high school student does, rather than an adult who has actually experienced it.

I think that many of Lindsey's lyrics do deal with middle-aged matters and are not so much about lost love as they are about missed opportunities, the legacy you're leaving behind, the approach of death. I don't think Bel Air Rain, Not Too Late, Flying Down Juniper, One Take, Under the Skin or "End of Time" are the creations of the young man who wrote GYOW, much less Trouble.

Also, I think many of his songs are about more than one thing, not as metaphors about love, but because love is comprised of so much more than just romance or physical yearning at this point. It's about mortality, family, politics, career. The mix and priority of those things jumbled together. No one item or emotion exists in isolation from the other. It does when you're young and have less to concentrate on and it does when you're older and have less activity going on, because life is less diverse. But at its height, when you're pulled in so many different directions at once, I think the feelings you express in word or song usually reflects some or all of them. That's how I take most of Lindsey's lyrics these days.

Originally Posted by sparky

Why do you think everyone craps their drawers when she mentions a detail about a car with a broken transmission?

I haven't soiled my pants, but if Stevie wants to talk more about the Toyota that would not go in reverse and the complications it caused them when parking (well, I'd think it would interfere with driving in general), then I'm still all ears.

Michele

[BlueDenimLamp]

Back to Nashville



Well at least we know Mick's in LA although I would prefer he be with Stevie & Chris...

If anyone is attending see if you can get some information out of Mick...

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by BlueDenimLamp

Back to Nashville


Well at least we know Mick's in LA although I would prefer he be with Stevie & Chris...

This is kind of great. I'd like to be there, if I could transport myself there by magic, without driving or anything.

Michele

[HelloMonster]

I'm here and I've been here forever it feels! (Sorry, bored and impatient ) anyways, this should be interesting! I'm going to ask him as directly as possible "what is going on in Nashville?"

[BlueDenimLamp]

Originally Posted by HelloMonster

I'm here and I've been here forever it feels! (Sorry, bored and impatient ) anyways, this should be interesting! I'm going to ask him as directly as possible "what is going on in Nashville?"

Just make him think he's the center of attention and he's telling the world a big secret like he did when he let it out that Christine had returned...

Good luck...