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Old 03-04-2021, 07:52 PM
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Late to the party as usual, but when/where was this BBC interview with Christine? :-/
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Old 03-04-2021, 08:31 PM
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I'm sorry but do you think the dance that she does during the outro of Gold Dust Woman just creates itself? That type of coordinated art doesn't just manifest out of thin air. Likewise with Dreams, or Rhiannon, do you think finding even less nuance and excitement from the low energy levels of the previous tour just happens? It takes hours and hours, from 10pm-3am, to come up with these things. Plus, I mean, Stevie is a big ROCK AND ROLL STAR! And she's cool. And we all know the cool kids don't even get their party started until after Midnight.
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Old 03-04-2021, 08:39 PM
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I just donít think this would have worked- no disrespect to that particular incarnation of the band, but I canít imagine the majority of folks who were at a show to see FM would enjoy most of the songs you listed, of which they likely never heard of before.
But most of the people at the spa resort were not there to see Fleetwood Mac per se. They were there to see live music (and eat dinner in the same venue) ó they were staying or vacationing in the area. And I think something similar is true of many of the live stops at that time (the band was an opening act or co-billed most of the time).

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Even if the band rocked the house. I consider myself a fan of most of the FM eras, and even I couldnít place a handful of the songs you mentioned. Blues arenít my thing, I mean I enjoy a few songs like that during a show, but not as many as you mentioned. If FM had sold themselves as a blues band during that tour, I think even less people would have showed up.
This ďsolutionĒ was precisely the problem. The casino and fair audiences (who were out to see live music from Benatar, Mac, Crosby/Stills/Nash, REO) love Rumours, but I bet most of them werenít terribly enthralled to see a band power through those songs without Nicks, Buckingham, and McVie. It struck everyone as a lame, cover-band show because the classic Mac catalogue was so insistently the core of the show. Iím suggesting that a set of songs not tied to the annus mirabilis of 1977 would surely have been less cringeworthy. Even the band itself would have been energized by not having to compete with ďsacredĒ untouchable songs, and would have performed with more conviction. (The one time Mason showed any commitment to his performance was when he sang his own song We Just Disagree.) Not having any of the three 1977 singers and instead having a front line with talented incongruities made it all the more essential for the band to reinvent itself that year. It didnít reinvent itself (at least as a live act), and it busted big.
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Old 03-04-2021, 09:30 PM
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Old 03-04-2021, 09:40 PM
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This ďsolutionĒ was precisely the problem. The casino and fair audiences (who were out to see live music from Benatar, Mac, Crosby/Stills/Nash, REO) love Rumours, but I bet most of them werenít terribly enthralled to see a band power through those songs without Nicks, Buckingham, and McVie. It struck everyone as a lame, cover-band show because the classic Mac catalogue was so insistently the core of the show. Iím suggesting that a set of songs not tied to the annus mirabilis of 1977 would surely have been less cringeworthy. Even the band itself would have been energized by not having to compete with ďsacredĒ untouchable songs, and would have performed with more conviction. (The one time Mason showed any commitment to his performance was when he sang his own song We Just Disagree.) Not having any of the three 1977 singers and instead having a front line with talented incongruities made it all the more essential for the band to reinvent itself that year. It didnít reinvent itself (at least as a live act), and it busted big.
The most cohesive, convincing song, other than the originals from that lineup, was ďOnly You Know & I Know.Ē

And thatís really the problem. That lineup was much more Delaney Bramlett than Peter Green, Bob Welch, or Lindsey Buckingham. All three of them were directly connected with Delaney & Bonnie, and I think Mick felt that would help jumpstart the chemistry with the new lineup, and it definitely did as far as Bekka and Billy were concerned, just not in a way that was especially relevant to what Fleetwood Mac had been. The other issue is Bekka being so much younger than the others. Bonnie Bramlett would have been a more appropriate choice.
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Old 03-05-2021, 10:24 AM
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“And both of us have been beautifully honest about who we are and how we got to where we were.”

Mick was frustrated by what happened during the tour negotiations, which by all accounts were absolutely brutal.
I'm curious what the issues would have been. The one issue I can think of would be Lindsey pushing back against the fact that Stevie controls when Fleetwood Mac is going to work because she is The Star.

Or could it be that Mick feels Stevie's tambo should be tapeless and LB wanted gorilla tape on the cymbals
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Old 03-05-2021, 04:49 PM
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I'm curious what the issues would have been. The one issue I can think of would be Lindsey pushing back against the fact that Stevie controls when Fleetwood Mac is going to work because she is The Star.

Or could it be that Mick feels Stevie's tambo should be tapeless and LB wanted gorilla tape on the cymbals
Not a clue, other than tour dates and setlists, and in the grand scheme of life, it really doesnít matter.

Mick and Lindsey are on good terms, Christine and Lindsey are probably on good terms, I doubt John even cares, all of which is as good as we can expect with this lot. Neil and Mike are still in the band and Lindsey isnít until they say otherwise.

Itís just a band. Go see it or donít, but the incessant whining about what happened is pointless. Enjoy the music or donít. Theyíre not going to be around forever and forgive the f**k out of us who got that equation and decided to see Christine and John McVie and Mick Fleetwood while they were still here.

Beats the alternative. Beats the Hell out of being home and resenting how things worked out.
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Old 03-05-2021, 07:17 PM
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Enjoy the music or don’t.
I saw the 2018-19 tour 4 times, once for free as a guest. I had tickets for 2 of the shows before the tour started. I'll see Stevie wherever. I think I enjoyed 2 of the shows I went to. The first and the last one.

If the current lineup made an EP or a record, I'd respect it. I can't understand how they didn't play a new song on the 50th Anniversary Tour like other golden artists have done. They had from March of 2018 until October 2018 to get something done. It's a shame.
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Old 03-05-2021, 07:29 PM
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I saw the 2018-19 tour 4 times, once for free as a guest. I had tickets for 2 of the shows before the tour started. I'll see Stevie wherever. I think I enjoyed 2 of the shows I went to. The first and the last one.

If the current lineup made an EP or a record, I'd respect it. I can't understand how they didn't play a new song on the 50th Anniversary Tour like other golden artists have done. They had from March of 2018 until October 2018 to get something done. It's a shame.
They should have made an album and five of them would have gladly made one, just as four from the classic lineup did. Itís what happens when the biggest star is also the one with the least to offer. Neil Finn and Mike Campbell would have been in the studio just as quickly as Lindsey, given an opportunity.
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Old 03-05-2021, 07:45 PM
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They should have made an album and five of them would have gladly made one, just as four from the classic lineup did. Itís what happens when the biggest star is also the one with the least to offer. Neil Finn and Mike Campbell would have been in the studio just as quickly as Lindsey, given an opportunity.
^I guess it's as simple as that but I would've thought with Mike in the band she would've been the one pushing an album!
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Old 03-05-2021, 07:55 PM
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^I guess it's as simple as that but I would've thought with Mike in the band she would've been the one pushing an album!
Iím guessing Mick and Azoff thought that, too. Neil and Mike certainly thought so based on what theyíve said in interviews.
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Old 03-05-2021, 07:59 PM
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If the current lineup made an EP or a record, I'd respect it. I can't understand how they didn't play a new song on the 50th Anniversary Tour like other golden artists have done. They had from March of 2018 until October 2018 to get something done. It's a shame.
Since FM performed a lot of older songs on the tour, it would have been awesome if they had rerecorded Black Magic Woman, Man of the World, All Over Again, Hypnotized, I Got You, Oh Well, Storms, Don’t Dream It’s Over, and Tell Me All the Things You Do and released those songs as an album right before the tour. That would have been relatively easy to do and might have helped introduce those songs to newer or more casual fans, who seemed lost when FM performed them live.
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Old 03-05-2021, 08:08 PM
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Since FM performed a lot of older songs on the tour, it would have been awesome if they had rerecorded Black Magic Woman, Man of the World, All Over Again, Hypnotized, I Got You, Oh Well, Storms, Donít Dream Itís Over, and Tell Me All the Things You Do and released those songs as an album right before the tour. That would have been relatively easy to do and might have helped introduce those songs to newer or more casual fans, who seemed lost when FM performed them live.
If you think they should've rerecorded I Got You and Don't Dream, I think they shouldve rerecorded Whole Lotta Trouble, Freedom, My Heart, I Don't Care, and I Will Run to You with Neil doing Tom's part!
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Old 03-05-2021, 08:09 PM
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I can't understand how they didn't play a new song on the 50th Anniversary Tour like other golden artists have done. They had from March of 2018 until October 2018 to get something done. It's a shame.
They were only interested in the monetary aspects of the tours since records no longer sell they could not be bothered. If they had wanted to they could have done something in that time. .Neil Finn can write a catchy pop tune in his sleep . Christine once could as well..not so sure now. If Stevie's recent effort Show Them The Way is an indication of where she is now then she is done .It is dreadful. She could have croaked along to something by Neil though.
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Old 03-05-2021, 08:12 PM
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Iím guessing Mick and Azoff thought that, too. Neil and Mike certainly thought so based on what theyíve said in interviews.
I really think Mac could've had a Top 5 debut with an album in 2018 or 2019. Probably would've dropped 80 places the 2nd week. But they could've been in Bruce caliber: artistry and commercial
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