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Old 02-06-2021, 04:07 PM
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that's a pure speculation, which if true just proves my point that he has no business acumen or savvy whatsoever. so he blew it. he was working on another great solo album after OOTC, he became huge respected name all of the sudden with The Dance, and just needed the right placement and release deal for it.
Not speculation, he actually said that he didnít need to do another solo album sometime around The Dance.
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Old 02-06-2021, 04:08 PM
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Thereís a comment that didnít age well.
even as a huge defender of Azoff and ruthless business practices in music, you have to see the difference:

The Eagles replacing a member that died is not equal to Fleetwood Mac trying to metaphorically kill off one of their own and replace him, even if the same Azoff put together both chimeras.

The Fleetwood Mac of 2018 is more similar to The Eagles getting rid of Don Felder then The Eagles on 2018.
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Old 02-06-2021, 04:18 PM
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Not speculation, he actually said that he didn’t need to do another solo album sometime around The Dance.
didn't he say stuff like that during Tusk era? that he had to do solo albums because FM was not interested in evolving? but that he really just wanted to be in FM?

so if true, when the reunion happened, maybe others in the band promised him that band first plus evolving is what they were willing to do? i wish he stopped being delusional as soon as he saw one of the members leaving the band altogether while another leaving FM in the dust to go resurrect her solo career.
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see this statement exactly proves my previous post - Christine fan cannot stand SYW.

re sales comparisons between early stuff and after-2000 stuff - SYW came after napster. a completely different era of music sales. those numbers cannot be compared as apples to apples to numbers before napster.
That's true, and I'm being cheeky when I state that. . But, what impresses me is how BTM sold in Europe. Almost a million copies. I'm not that crazy about BTM, but it does sound more like a band to me.
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That's true, and I'm being cheeky when I state that. . But, what impresses me is how BTM sold in Europe. Almost a million copies. I'm not that crazy about BTM, but it does sound more like a band to me.
Even with empirical data, two reasonable people can interpret the information differently. It is my opinion that BTM sales were horrendous in Europe and everywhere else, considering it was just 3 years after Tango in the Night, during the height of the record / cassette / CD buying era and Stevie and Christine were still fronting the band.

Again just my opinion and interpretation and not a dismissal of your interpretation of the numbers.
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Old 02-06-2021, 05:41 PM
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Even with empirical data, two reasonable people can interpret the information differently. It is my opinion that BTM sales were horrendous in Europe and everywhere else, considering it was just 3 years after Tango in the Night, during the height of the record / cassette / CD buying era and Stevie and Christine were still fronting the band.

Again just my opinion and interpretation and not a dismissal of your interpretation of the numbers.
Understood, I was surprised it sold as well as it had due to Lindsey leaving. I was surprised it broke a million in sales. I truly thought since the FAB 5 were broken, it would be a dud in the cut out section.
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While I don't know for sure, I assume many of the posters on this board initially consumed music by terrestrial radio. We listened to countdown shows, read printed music charts and measured songs popularity by their final chart position. A chart position is a snap shot of a song's popularity and promotion at a moment in time. It is not necessarily a measure of a song's enduring popularity or how a song may resonate with a new generation of music consumers. That final chart position also might not be indicative of the continuing royalty revenue a song might generate.

I jumped into the streaming numbers of Fleetwood Mac and found that many songs that were never singles or lower charting singles have had better long term popularity with music consumers than some of their better charting brethren.

Consolidated streaming numbers were updated January 31, 2021. The Dreams phenomenon, which no doubt provided a significant boost to its streaming numbers, was in late September and October 2020. Many music streaming services end their year October 31. A large portion of that gain should be reflected in these numbers.

Song Total Streaming

Go Your Own Way 258,518,000
Dreams 188,229,000
Everywhere 154,221,000
Landslide 138,103,000
The Chain 121,974,000
Rhiannon 91,538,000
Never Goin Back Again 78,637,000
Little Lies 76,257,000
Don't Stop 60,889,000
Gypsy 50,655,000
Second Hand News 48,942,000
You Make Loving Fun 43,949,000
Songbird 41,966,000
Gold Dust Woman 33,655,000
Seven Wonders 33,087,000
Sara 24,872,000
Tusk 24,462,000
Big Love 24,454,000
Silver Springs 22,393,000
Oh Daddy 20,052,000

FYI Over My Head, Say Love Me & Hold Me were all between 10,000,000 and 17,000,000 streams. Highest Pre Rumours streaming song is Albatross at 23,000,000 followed by Black Magic Woman at 14,500,000. No other Pre-Rumours song exceeds 7,000,000 streams and most songs of those various incarnations are between 400,000 and 2,000,000 streams. Highest post Tango streaming songs were As Long as You Follow at 7,500,000, followed by Bleed to Love Her at 4,300,000.

Maybe some numerical perspective of what songs from Fleetwood Mac the modern day music consumer connects with.

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Old 02-08-2021, 09:39 PM
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While I don't know for sure, I assume many of the posters on this board initially consumed music by terrestrial radio. We listened to countdown shows, read printed music charts and measured songs popularity by their final chart position. A chart position is a snap shot of a song's popularity and promotion at a moment in time. It is not necessarily a measure of a song's enduring popularity or how a song may resonate with a new generation of music consumers. That final chart position also might not be indicative of the continuing royalty revenue a song might generate.

I jumped into the streaming numbers of Fleetwood Mac and found that many songs that were never singles or lower charting singles have had better long term popularity with music consumers than some of their better charting brethren.

Remember these numbers are prior to the 2020 Dreams phenomenon, which no doubt provide a significant boost to its streaming numbers.

Song Total Streaming

Go Your Own Way 258,518,000
Dreams 188,229,000
Everywhere 154,221,000
Landslide 138,103,000
The Chain 121,974,000
Rhiannon 91,538,000
Never Goin Back Again 78,637,000
Little Lies 76,257,000
Don't Stop 60,889,000
Gypsy 50,655,000
Second Hand News 48,942,000
You Make Loving Fun 43,949,000
Songbird 41,966,000
Gold Dust Woman 33,655,000
Seven Wonders 33,087,000
Sara 24,872,000
Tusk 24,462,000
Big Love 24,454,000
Silver Springs 22,393,000
Oh Daddy 20,052,000

FYI Over My Head, Say Love Me & Hold Me were all between 10,000,000 and 17,000,000 streams. Highest Pre Rumours streaming song is Albatross at 23,000,000 followed by Black Magic Woman at 14,500,000. No other Pre-Rumours song exceeds 7,000,000 streams and most songs of those various incarnations are between 400,000 and 2,000,000 streams. Highest post Tango streaming songs were As Long as You Follow at 7,500,000, followed by Bleed to Love Her at 4,300,000.

Maybe some numerical perspective of what songs from Fleetwood Mac the modern day music consumer connects with.
very cool, thanks for this.

and yeah after the skateboarding tiktok Dreams went through stratosphere so had to be way above every other ones right now.
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Remember these numbers are prior to the 2020 Dreams phenomenon, which no doubt provide a significant boost to its streaming numbers.
Streams were updated 1/30/21 according to the chart.
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I thought WtWCT should have been the lead single. I love it!!
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Old 02-09-2021, 06:43 AM
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Streams were updated 1/30/21 according to the chart.
You are correct. I just found that notation. Sales data was updated at the end of 2017, but consolidated streaming was updated on 1/31/21. Thank you!



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Wow, Look at Go Your Own Way go!!!

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Wow, Look at Go Your Own Way go!!!

I'm shocked at NGBA, jbrowns. I thought people didn't know that song. And it's Chris' fav. Whoaaa!
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Old 02-09-2021, 05:59 PM
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I'm shocked at NGBA, jbrowns. I thought people didn't know that song. And it's Chris' fav. Whoaaa!
I honestly think Rumours is one of those albums where every song on it is well known.
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Old 02-09-2021, 07:11 PM
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I'm shocked at NGBA, jbrowns. I thought people didn't know that song. And it's Chris' fav. Whoaaa!
NGBA gets a lot of country coverage.

i'm more surprised about Big Love. i know that was a hit back in some european countries (stripped down version after the dance), but i don't recall it being much played or talked about in these parts.

also surprised that the chain is not higher.
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