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I'm not the biggest fan of "That Made Me Stronger," but I think "Ghosts" is beautiful, and ranks right up there with some of Stevie's best ballads. In my opinion, both songs accomplish exactly what they're supposed to: they reflect Stevie's emotions at the time she wrote them. They're basically diary pages, so of course they're going to be "self-indulgent." And songs like that will always be "nauseating" and "cringe-worthy" to some, because it's nearly impossible to accurately and honestly reflect those particular emotions in a song, without turning at least some people off. And I still think the following "Ghosts" lyric is brilliant, even though I know some folks think it's corny and/or unrelatable: "To fill the empty spaces she's feeling, she depends on her music like a husband... and she knows it's no good to fall in love again." Moves me everytime I hear it. But it's ok... we can't all like the same things, or be moved by the same things, otherwise the world (and these boards) would be a boring place indeed.
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ITA agree that Ghosts is to me just brilliant. TMMS is oksy and its a great sentiment. I just think the chorus is too literal for my liking. But I think even "bad" Stevie, LB, CM, or FM is better than 99% of the other stuff out there
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I love Ghosts right up until the she depends on her music like a husband bridge thing. But I lvoe the first 2 minutes of the song. The whole Ghosts of what you want thing is great.
And That Made Me Stronger, that song is so danmed literal it's nausiating. It's straight out of what she said all those interviews leading up to TISL. I guess this is one case of self indulgence beiong too much
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I don't see how someone can consider Rumours catchy pop tunes. They really aren't at all. A band like Journy, Styz or REO speedwagon make catchy pop tunes, Rumours is not that. The only songs that even come close to fitting that discription is Don't Stop and Dreams. GYOW, The Chain, GDW, Oh Daddy and Songbird are all far from catchy pop tunes.
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Am I right in understanding that you think a group of songs is better off being non-catchy?
Rumours is pretty esoteric, but it was also uber-crafted and catchy, and it suffered for that.
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But that’s because of my background; after years of listening to the underground acts and the experimental de-rigeur, I can safely say that everything Lindsey does on Tusk is accessible and, although it might not find its audience from the average Rumours-buyers, it would find its audience from the underground, from the new wave that was emerging at the time. The freakish guitar onslaught of “Not That Funny” is child’s play when compared to anything Sonic Youth did in the ‘80s. So the experimental attitude didn’t jump at me first. What worked for me was the emotion that he managed to convey through the tunes. He didn’t want Chris or Stevie to harmonize on his songs for a long time because he wanted to believe that they could be successes without them. And it was one of the biggest reasons for Rumours’ success, as were the biting lyrics. The lyrics on Tusk may be more biting for some but in my opinion they’ve been intentionally shrouded and sung so that some of them are incomprehensible. Clearly the focus is not just on the lyrical message. Quote:
[Ponders a theory for a while. It’s not self-indulgence if he doesn’t credit it for himself, it’s self-indulgence if the album sleeve said: -Fleetwood Mac with seven tracks of Lindsey Buckingham solo- or –Lindsey Buckingham featuring Fleetwood Mac-. But now that he’s releasing it as a Fleetwood Mac album he gets more sales and gets to be self-indulgent secretly. HA! What a genius!] Ok. I don’t believe that. Lindsey spoke of getting to more esoteric places when he recorded the material on his own. And I believe that he was right in taking this direction. The tunes on Tusk are all about himself; his childishness and his naïve belief in the artistic expression. Their clumsiness and their self-centeredness are what make them so charming for me. The man appears more human in there than any group player and that was his way to take all that room. For many people Stevie Nicks was the main focus point in her own songs; they ignored the group playing that very often gave Stevie all the room to shine. Lindsey doesn’t have such performance abilities so it was natural for him to take up all that space in the recording sphere wherein his main weapon lies. If Lindsey had started to play fast solos, ridiculously complex drum patterns (which he couldn’t do anyway) etc, then that would have been far more self-indulgent for me. He chose this way because he always does what he thinks is the best for the song itself. Not because he wants to show us his instrumental prowess. Quote:
Anything on Tusk is worthy of “Go Your Own Way” in songwriting, it’s just been recorded and arranged in a different way. Quote:
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Tuskyness!!!
Kisses to Lindsey for The TUSKER Album!!!
Soo..."No one said Nothin'!!!" Brilliant! Sky
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