Stevie Nicks survived abusive relationship with former bandmate Lindsey Buckingham, c

[sodascouts]

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

Did you just throw Homer (David) a softball?

I don't think so, no. In what way do you mean?

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by sodascouts

I don't think so, no. In what way do you mean?

I was wondering the same(of them, not you).

[SteveMacD]

My take is that he didn’t abuse Stevie. She or her people would have said something about it by now if it had happened. She was all too comfortable playing the victim, especially during SA, to not have let it slip by now. If anything, Stevie admitted she got physical with him.

That said, Lindsey all but admits he had issues back in the day. I don’t really doubt he got physical with CAH, but that wouldn’t have had an impact on the band. He was absolutely no saint, but he got help and made positive changes. What’s the statute of limitations on something like that?

The biggest reason she didn’t want to make another album with him is because she mostly didn’t enjoy making albums with him. Rumours wasn’t fun for her, Tusk, Mirage, TITN, and SYW weren’t fun for her…. Why would the next one be fun? And, for as much pride as she had with IYD, its lack of sales legitimately made her question the value of going through the process. (Personally, my response would be for art’s sake.)

[David]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

The biggest reason she didn’t want to make another album with him is because she mostly didn’t enjoy making albums with him. Rumours wasn’t fun for her, Tusk, Mirage, TITN, and SYW weren’t fun for her. Why would the next one be fun?

This is the crux. She hates being in the studio with him. In fact, she may not be all that keen about being in the studio with the rest of them, either. My view is that, from the Seventies on, none of them accorded her much respect as a musician vocalist in the studio. You can see it in their faces as she's trying to explain something (in ditzy metaphors) or tell a story (in her airheaded elliptical style). It was a self-fulfilling prophecy: The more she gave suggestions about tracks or production, the more dismissive the others were. And the more dismissive they were, the more she pulled back—and made her own fun recording her own albums, where she could be the cute college girl once again, the center of attention in her circle of friends and session players.

Case in point: The are-you-kidding-me looks and eye rolls that the others all give her in the Village Recorder footage from recording Tusk.

Another case in point: Mick's words about Stevie in the 2 on the Town segment from 1982. He implied that she lacks studio discipline, instead preferring to emote spontaneously and use that track so that she doesn't have to go back over and over and retake. John of course is like that too, but I assume that John's bass parts come down to one or two takes anyway—not like Stevie's vocals, which can require days or weeks of repetition. And John's impatience with recording wasn't compounded with a ditzy personality, which can grate on the nerves of people in close confines with Stevie for extended periods.

Wanted to add: I've recorded with good friends in a studio before. By the end of a week, we hated each other.

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by David

This is the crux. She hates being in the studio with him. In fact, she may not be all that keen about being in the studio with the rest of them, either. My view is that, from the Seventies on, none of them accorded her much respect as a musician vocalist in the studio. You can see it in their faces as she's trying to explain something (in ditzy metaphors) or tell a story (in her airheaded elliptical style). It was a self-fulfilling prophecy: The more she gave suggestions about tracks or production, the more dismissive the others were. And the more dismissive they were, the more she pulled back—and made her own fun recording her own albums, where she could be the cute college girl once again, the center of attention in her circle of friends and session players.

Case in point: The are-you-kidding-me looks and eye rolls that the others all give her in the Village Recorder footage from recording Tusk.

Another case in point: Mick's words about Stevie in the 2 on the Town segment from 1982. He implied that she lacks studio discipline, instead preferring to emote spontaneously and use that track so that she doesn't have to go back over and over and retake. John of course is like that too, but I assume that John's bass parts come down to one or two takes anyway—not like Stevie's vocals, which can require days or weeks of repetition. And John's impatience with recording wasn't compounded with a ditzy personality, which can grate on the nerves of people in close confines with Stevie for extended periods.

Wanted to add: I've recorded with good friends in a studio before. By the end of a week, we hated each other.

I always enjoy when you weigh in, David. The last two sentences of your post might be the most important of all.

Musicians are often terrible to each other in the studio, in part because the studio resembles a bunker where otherwise creative people are held captive by the very process that will enable their music to reach millions of ears; in part because this claustrophobic natural light-free setting encourages one to use stimulants and other drugs to keep going and “stay fresh”; but also in part because the perfection required to master repetitive, seemingly-endless processes like music making takes its toll on anyone’s patience. I remember in the 90s editing, designing, and printing a small magazine with my then boyfriend out of our home. Each issue required hours and hours of attention to detail and patience, patience, patience. At times, we wanted to kill one another. We had complete creative control because we did it ourselves, but that also meant all the laborious chores were ours. Mac, who self-produced and arranged with two studio engineers, must have felt all of this. By the way, we were able to keep the magazine going for four years. 10 issues later, we rarely made deadlines without some cost to our emotional lives. We even broke up while we still lived together. Sound familiar?

[iamnotafraid]

Originally Posted by sodascouts

I don't think so, no. In what way do you mean?

The way I read it, I saw an easy joke to be made.
I know it wasn't your intention.

The reason I named David was because he's not
afraid to say anything.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

The way I read it, I saw an easy joke to be made.
I know it wasn't your intention.

The reason I named David was because he's not
afraid to say anything.

Tru dat. My friends told me two nights ago that I've officially lost anything even resembling a filter.

Believe it or not, I'm a sweetheart. A funny, sarcastic, loving, as*hole of a sweetheart.

[button-lip]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Tru dat. My friends told me two nights ago that I've officially lost anything even resembling a filter.

Believe it or not, I'm a sweetheart. A funny, sarcastic, loving, as*hole of a sweetheart.

We know you are.

Believe it or not, I’m also stupidly generous. So much people take advantage of it and then give me the cold shoulder or trash me like I’m their worst enemy. They have bad memory and they don’t tell the whole story.

No filter is good. What’s the point of restraining yourself anyway?

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by button-lip

We know you are.

Believe it or not, I’m also stupidly generous. So much people take advantage of it and then give me the cold shoulder or trash me like I’m their worst enemy. They have bad memory and they don’t tell the whole story.

No filter is good. What’s the point of restraining yourself anyway?

Thanks, A....Button.

Money is what separates us from the animals. Loaning friends money is usually a VERY bad idea. I loaned a very trusted friend $250, a couple months ago. I was promised it back in 2 weeks. It was for an expedited passport, as they got a summer internship in Melbourne. Didn't get the money back.... I'm in the process of getting a will done right now, and WAS leaving them enough money to pay off their student loans. When they get back, I'm giving two chances at offering me back the money. If not, their 50K in student loans will take a WHILE to pay off. Life is about doing the right and honest thing. And I'm a hard grader on such.

[button-lip]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Thanks, A....Button.

Money is what separates us from the animals. Loaning friends money is usually a VERY bad idea. I loaned a very trusted friend $250, a couple months ago. I was promised it back in 2 weeks. It was for an expedited passport, as they got a summer internship in Melbourne. Didn't get the money back.... I'm in the process of getting a will done right now, and WAS leaving them enough money to pay off their student loans. When they get back, I'm giving two chances at offering me back the money. If not, their 50K in student loans will take a WHILE to pay off. Life is about doing the right and honest thing. And I'm a hard grader on such.

That's sad, especially if it happens with people you know and trust for a very long time. This is what I always say: it's their loss, and you clearly didn't mean that much. But mostly it's their loss.

I hope you get your money back. And not because of the material aspect of the situation.

And I also hope we can all sit and drink some beers (or whatever, I'm not picky ) after some Lindsey's solo concert (if there's ever one).

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by button-lip

That's sad, especially if it happens with people you know and trust for a very long time. This is what I always say: it's their loss, and you clearly didn't mean that much. But mostly it's their loss.

I hope you get your money back. And not because of the material aspect of the situation.

And I also hope we can all sit and drink some beers (or whatever, I'm not picky ) after some Lindsey's solo concert (if there's ever one).

It is very sad. I've been having some health problems the past few weeks, and decided that it's finally time to get a will done(I've been trying to make myself do it for 3-4 years, but death is a hard thing to think about, at least for me).

If the friend doesn't pay me back, that $250 is literally going to cost them 50K. Because that's what I was leaving them(which is their student loan debt amount). They'll never know, because I won't tell them, but karma can be a bitch. DO.THE.RIGHT.THING, kids.

Heck yes! Lindsey is the only one I'll be supporting now, and I hope you hit some of his Midwest shows! Dinner and drinks!