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Old 08-09-2020, 06:42 PM
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But which "full Mirage show"? Not the LA video - I've seen it already. Wouldn't you rather have a film of the performance at Joe Louis in Detroit, or at the Meadowlands, or the Oakland Coliseum, or McNichols in Denver - all great, great shows that you could discover afresh? Even the show at Irvine Meadows seemed more tightly packed with great, haunting moments than LA. Truthfully, LA felt to me like an also-ran to Irvine (which was about a week or two earlier) and to Oakland the night before. The tour had many highlights, but the stuff that wound up on the sloppy, vibe-killing video didn't capture enough of them.
Yes to all of this. What they put out for the live performances on the Mirage Deluxe was absolutely awful especially after how well the the Tusk Deluxe was done. To just put in the exact songs pulled direct from the 30+ year old Video was lazy and sloppy. A full show with the songs in the correct order, Hold Me, Brown Eyes, etc would have been so much better. Somewhere I have MP3 files of Oakland and Denver. Itís been years since I pulled them up but from what I remember both are great shows and include equally strong performances of the video highlights (The Chain, Sisters). I can imagine actual recordings that have been cleaned up would be amazing and certainly preferable to what they actually did on Deluxe.
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But which "full Mirage show"? Not the LA video - I've seen it already. Wouldn't you rather have a film of the performance at Joe Louis in Detroit, or at the Meadowlands, or the Oakland Coliseum, or McNichols in Denver - all great, great shows that you could discover afresh? Even the show at Irvine Meadows seemed more tightly packed with great, haunting moments than LA. Truthfully, LA felt to me like an also-ran to Irvine (which was about a week or two earlier) and to Oakland the night before. The tour had many highlights, but the stuff that wound up on the sloppy, vibe-killing video didn't capture enough of them.
Yes! Everyone would agree to that but is that reality? Were any of those shows recorded? Back in those days it was lots of work with a big film crew to record concerts. I would be surprised if they took them on the road to video all the shows you mentioned.
If any of them were professionally shot then of course, they would be fantastic. But even in 1982 groups hammed it up for a recording. Didn't someone say in the LA Mirage show that part of Christine's keyboards were prop for the cameras?

I cant even watch the lip syncing of the Mac's 1988 "live" show and Stevie's Red Rocks.
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Old 08-10-2020, 10:10 AM
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Yes! Everyone would agree to that but is that reality? Were any of those shows recorded? Back in those days it was lots of work with a big film crew to record concerts. I would be surprised if they took them on the road to video all the shows you mentioned.
If any of them were professionally shot then of course, they would be fantastic. But even in 1982 groups hammed it up for a recording. Didn't someone say in the LA Mirage show that part of Christine's keyboards were prop for the cameras?

I cant even watch the lip syncing of the Mac's 1988 "live" show and Stevie's Red Rocks.
I want the Mirage Tour recording of Hold Me!

Tango is the only FM video I don't own(well, I think I have it on VHS somewhere). I can't stand 90% of it. All those stupid closeups. What kind of egomaniac hires a "closeup director"?
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Imo the Mirage and Tango concerts released on VHS and or DVD were terrible. Mirage has some good moments but Stevie's voice is so nasal it is pretty much unlistenable. I do love her SOTM performance. With the Tango concert I hate the closeups and the dumb backstage shots. The band is performing and yet they spend time backstage during a song to show the band horsing around or whatever. It is stupid.
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I want the Mirage Tour recording of Hold Me!

Tango is the only FM video I don't own(well, I think I have it on VHS somewhere). I can't stand 90% of it. All those stupid closeups. What kind of egomaniac hires a "closeup director"?
The close ups are annoying but its the lip syncing that turns me off. HELLO! Its supposed to be a live concert. I would not be surprised if Stevie was behind it since she did that for Red Rocks. If you pay attention you will also see similar visuals between the 2 videos of being far away and people have different hair compared to the close up singing. The Mac's was much better put together mostly because Stevie was a mess and even close ups could not save her Red Rocks show.
Does anyone know if other bands ever did this? This is the most ridiculous thing ever. Think about it. They recorded a live show for distribution yet gave the fans a lip synced concert aka video performance.
And why edit a concert down to 58 minutes. They did concert footage medley for Songbird and then the credits ran for only the audio version of Dont Stop. Marty Callner directed it who was a mainstay of 1980s videos and concerts.

My pet peeve: Stevie and her HUGE earrings during Gold Dust Woman when she would turn to the camera for a close up to say "OH YEAH" is so unrock n roll

And you just loved Mick's body performance.
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The close ups are annoying but its the lip syncing that turns me off. HELLO! Its supposed to be a live concert. I would not be surprised if Stevie was behind it since she did that for Red Rocks. If you pay attention you will also see similar visuals between the 2 videos of being far away and people have different hair compared to the close up singing. The Mac's was much better put together mostly because Stevie was a mess and even close ups could not save her Red Rocks show.
Does anyone know if other bands ever did this? This is the most ridiculous thing ever. Think about it. They recorded a live show for distribution yet gave the fans a lip synced concert aka video performance.
And why edit a concert down to 58 minutes. They did concert footage medley for Songbird and then the credits ran for only the audio version of Dont Stop. Marty Callner directed it who was a mainstay of 1980s videos and concerts.

And you just loved Mick's body performance.
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Whoever was in charge needed to be fired. Bad decisions all the way around.

I'm now "friends" with Marty, but I ain't axing him? Anyone? Bueller?

WHY do people worship her? I'll never understand. $he's such an idiot.
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Imo the Mirage and Tango concerts released on VHS and or DVD were terrible. Mirage has some good moments but Stevie's voice is so nasal it is pretty much unlistenable. I do love her SOTM performance. With the Tango concert I hate the closeups and the dumb backstage shots. The band is performing and yet they spend time backstage during a song to show the band horsing around or whatever. It is stupid.
I loved the Mirage concert. That was the last days of real men with real cameras filming on stage. Yes it had quirks like the bad slice at the end of Sisters but for the most part I thought it was recorded fairly well.
One of the coolest parts of the concert is when the camera on the opposite side of the stage is zoomed in on Christine while she is singing her heart out during the Chain. The same camera then loses focus (gets blurry) to then focus on Stevie (clear focus again). That is something you would NEVER see today. It was the way to capture both singers without moving the camera. Today they would just use 2 automatic cameras zooming around the stage and it would be edited together. Looking back, what a cool effect IMHO. People actually had to focus cameras. Imagine that!
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But which "full Mirage show"? Not the LA video - I've seen it already. Wouldn't you rather have a film of the performance at Joe Louis in Detroit, or at the Meadowlands, or the Oakland Coliseum, or McNichols in Denver - all great, great shows that you could discover afresh? Even the show at Irvine Meadows seemed more tightly packed with great, haunting moments than LA. Truthfully, LA felt to me like an also-ran to Irvine (which was about a week or two earlier) and to Oakland the night before. The tour had many highlights, but the stuff that wound up on the sloppy, vibe-killing video didn't capture enough of them.
I've heard all of those bootlegs. Yes, I would love to hear a clean version of Denver or NJ.
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