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Thanks, WildHeart!
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She wanted Lindsey to treat her like everyone else treats her (kiss her ass), which is something he would never do, especially someone he’s known since they were teenagers, let alone was an ex.
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He and you aren't different tenses. He is third person and you is second person. They can both be used in a song if the songwriter is describing different people or viewing the same individual from different vantage points which is acceptable writing technique in some situations. I can see Lindsey's point but I side with Stevie on this one.
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It's this line that's really confusing: "You can sit outside his door and wait; you can dedicate your pain to him" - until that point, "you" had referred to the guy in lines like "you've shaken my faith." Now all of the sudden, "you" is presumably Stevie, unless she's referring to a third party! Then the next verse it's "him/her" and the yous have disappeared entirely.... etc. etc. (Lyrics) Last edited by sodascouts; 05-22-2018 at 10:35 PM.. |
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I don't judge work based on sales. I judge it based on creativity and songwriting strength. Seeds We Sow is Lindsey's strongest album since Out of The Cradle. I thought it was near-perfect. The EP was great too, thanks to Lindsey. I also think the weakest songs on Say You Will were all Stevie's. "Silver Girl", "Running Through Garden" (ouch), "Goodbye Baby" (ouch again). |
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There will be a lot more press once rehearsals start. Probably a bunch of video content for the web and social media. Right now they're using Sirius XM to help present the band's history. That'll go away and will be replaced by something else during the summer and then in the Fall we'll start seeing more PR. I won't be surprised if they record a song or two. |
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It was person AND tense. He originally suggested “He was going home.” Then he compromised with suggestion “Now he’s going home.” She held her ground and said he couldn’t make these recommendations to Bob Dylan. He said he couldn’t not bring it up especially since this was less abstract a song than Dylan would in these circumstances.
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Seems things are getting a little tense!
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Lindsey: "..the tense and the person..." He seems to be speaking in a deliberately vague/trepidatious/deferential manner in order to get his point across with as little ego damage as possible; no luck though, because Stevie is glaring at him before he's even made his point (if the editing of the documentary makers is to be believed). What always frustrated me about this "scene" is that Lindsey clearly does not enjoy giving her 'notes' (who would?), so for him to make a point of this I believe means that he really liked Thrown Down and felt the potential for it to be a hit or a well-regarded song that he could contribute to fine-tuning. We don't know whether he gave much or any advice about the lyrics in, say, Silver Girl, but my assumption is that he probably recognized that one as lacking hit potential and saved his battles. My point being: I wish Stevie had registered this compliment, rather than seeming so defensive about it. But I think Lindsey's approach was lacking, too; I think what he should have bothered to do was rework the lyrics to his liking, record it himself, and then let her hear that at least. If she's such a poet, she is more likely to be swayed by hearing an actual musical performance than listening to a vague and abstract grammar lecture.
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It shows how she has become completely incapable of handling even the gentlest of constructive criticism. This is what comes when you surround yourself with sycophants and become accustomed to nothing but praise, even when you are writing less than stellar material. You surround yourself with people who tell you that everything you do is great, and when anyone tells you differently - no matter how tactfully - that person is not only in the wrong, but terribly cruel. She gets "Yes, Stevie" constantly from her entourage and endless adulation from her fans; little wonder that eventually, she decides to cut the one person who doesn't always say "Yes, Stevie" out of her life in order to ensure her "happiness." Imagine if she had been like this when Lindsey was helping her with her work in the past? Anyone who's listened to her demos knows that if she had told Lindsey "How DARE you tell me Gypsy is repetitive - you wouldn't say that to Bob Dylan" then it would have been crappy. However, with his help, it is my favorite song. This kind of attitude is how we get "Lady", which is the same song twice over with almost no variety. Dave Stewart: "It's incredible as it is, Stevie! No need to change a thing from your demo! You don't need to add another verse! You fart gold! 24 Karat Gold!" Sometimes you need to be upset if you want to face your imperfections and improve yourself. I think she's removed herself from reality, to her own detriment. I hope somebody can help her see this before it's too late. Last edited by sodascouts; 05-23-2018 at 11:04 AM.. |
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Boy does that give new meaning to “Gold Dust Woman...”
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I should add that Lindsey doesn't always know best; there are times when his advice shouldn't be followed (although personally, I don't think this was one of those times). It was Stevie's attitude that made me cringe.
An artist should welcome constructive input, even if in the end he or she decides to reject that input. Stevie could have considered it with an open mind and then said, "I see your point, but I feel it's important to keep it this way" instead of immediately shutting him down with this "How dare you! Don't you ever criticize my work!" attitude. Last edited by sodascouts; 05-23-2018 at 11:21 AM.. |
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So much so that they are waiting to pounce on any wrong phrase, wrong word wrong action, to somehow score points off one another. Really sad |
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