Stevie Delayed 2012 Tour, So Why Such Hostility When Lindsey Asked To Do The Same?

[Storms123]

Originally Posted by jmn3

Steve’s ability to continuously try to justify or explain the last year of Fleetwood Mac drama is purely amazing.

Well, the sky in her world is not necessarily the same color the rest of us see when we look up. I do look forward to listening to her unwind it. It should be epic, as most of her revisionist history is. BTW I feel the need to say this, but I adore her, but with the events of the last year, she's really gone above and beyond

[Macfan4life]

OMG
This was mentioned 4,679,320 times in over 2,785,521 threads about Lindsey's firing
Why are we saying this over and over?




Yes the band treats Stevie different.
Yes Stevie is held to different standards

Its all about the money she brings to the band.

Can we move on?

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

OMG
This was mentioned 4,679,320 times in over 2,785,521 threads about Lindsey's firing
Why are we saying this over and over?




Yes the band treats Stevie different.
Yes Stevie is held to different standards

Its all about the money she brings to the band.

Can we move on?

Not until someone has doused the witch in holy water, ending this ****ing fiasco.

IT.IS.UNFORGIVABLE. We won't move on.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by elle

yes. and that was after Lindsey gave up opn band recording another album of new music in fast succession after Say You Will, and realized he will have to continue using solo avenue if he wants to keep releasing new music. anyone who actually watches Destiny Rules doc could see that LB was hoping SYW could be a new start, kinda like Tusk, and that Fleetwood Mac could actually be a creative band. "commercial gods" followers quickly put a stop on that.

not to mention that that man lied to her... the gods did NOT answer her.

The song was not a hit.

[cbBen]

His giving them the impression he saw commercial potential in that song should have been a red flag pushing them to the other label.

[TheWildHeart67]

There are dozens of threads and posts talking about this.
Why start yet another thread?

[David]

Fleetwood Mac obviously needed a clever project manager—someone to make some band-centric decisions and lay down the law (otherwise known as Hobson's choice)—after 1980. "Your tour schedule conflicts with the band's schedule. Guess who wins?"

Solo activities started in 1980–81 as an outlet for Fleetwood Macsters to let off a little steam and find their center (even though there had been a few solo projects during earlier incarnations). But those activities wound up toxifying the band until finally the group paid a heavy price for all the individuals running off on their own. It entered a state of suspended animation—much of its audience (and maybe even a few of its members) thought repeatedly that it was dead.

All of the maneuvering over the years to get the band back into a room together again was nothing but a lot of wasted energy. It's no wonder nobody enjoyed the recording or the touring. The finagling of schedules drained everybody. The moment you saw your fellow Macsters at the airport on the eve of a tour, you were already sick of them.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by David

Fleetwood Mac obviously needed a clever project manager—someone to make some band-centric decisions and lay down the law (otherwise known as Hobson's choice)—after 1980. "Your tour schedule conflicts with the band's schedule. Guess who wins?"

Solo activities started in 1980–81 as an outlet for Fleetwood Macsters to let off a little steam and find their center (even though there had been a few solo projects during earlier incarnations). But those activities wound up toxifying the band until finally the group paid a heavy price for all the individuals running off on their own. It entered a state of suspended animation—much of its audience (and maybe even a few of its members) thought repeatedly that it was dead.

All of the maneuvering over the years to get the band back into a room together again was nothing but a lot of wasted energy. It's no wonder nobody enjoyed the recording or the touring. The finagling of schedules drained everybody. The moment you saw your fellow Macsters at the airport on the eve of a tour, you were already sick of them.

I will take your point either further. This "suspended animation" really impacted the music.

Mirage was an over correction from Tusk. Very commercial and SAFE. It also was vital to the band to have a successful #1 album to almost counter Bella Donna.


Tango had even more pressure to be a commercial success. Its pure bubble gum pop even more than Mirage. Plus the suspended animation only allowed Stevie to spend very little time on the album.


I am not trashing Mirage and Tango. But just imagine the music we could have gotten if the band did not feel the pressure to be commercial pop successful. When members are having extremely successful solo careers......they are not going to waste time and go back to the band if their music is not commercially successful. The White album, Rumours, and Tusk were much more organic and did not feel the fester and pressure to sell albums to counter solo careers.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by TheWildHeart67

There are dozens of threads and posts talking about this.
Why start yet another thread?

Have you not heard or read? It must not stop until the wicked witch is dead, splashed with holy water or a full court exorcism.

Read further up ….


It reminds me of the movie THE RING
just when you think it's safe....it begins again and will never end
I think they needed an exorcism in that movie too

Not to scare anyone but I was watching Current Band concerts on youtube. Soon after Second Hand News the phone rang. "a whispering....Seven Wonders" No sh*t. If Stevie crawls out of my computer screen, I'm suing !

[secret love]

[QUOTE=cbBen;1246957]Aside from being untrue or at least exaggerated with respect to the timeframe of the requested delay, the purported reason for Lindsey's firing (asking for a delay of the 2018 tour) contradicts how the band treated Stevie's similar request in 2012.

It’s clear from this interview that Fleetwood Mac had been planning to tour in 2012, but Stevie then decided to tour instead with her solo band (co-headlining with Rod Stewart) and to delay the Fleetwood Mac tour to 2013: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozXM_SjnfcE (1:30 mark)

This makes it all the more farcical for her and the rest of the band to suggest that no member has the right to ask the others to push back their collective tour plans.

Also, since Stevie used Brett Tuggle for her tour, she left Lindsey without his righthand man and put him in the position of not being able to tour with his own band (although Lindsey may have been just fine with that, and in fact eager to try a true solo show as he did in 2012).[/QUOTE]

What a misrepresentation. Poor Lindsey, doesn't have a pianist. Because pianists are such a rare breed these days. I mean, nobody plays piano anymore. Oh wait, what's that my friend is telling me? Even Stevie Nicks plays piano! And how could I forget? I also play piano! And Lindsey Buckingham plays it too. And so many others.

So on your other point - it is completely true and fair.
Stevie knew the four (three, sorry) other members wanted to tour in 2012 to mark the exact 35th anniversary of Rumours. She asked - or more likely, just told them how it was - for a delay of one year and got her wish. Rude, selfish, and totally not worth it, from what I hear the 2012 Heart and Soul Tour with Rod sucked.
Lindsey has never had much chutzpah in the band, never had any say except for in the studio... oh, and on tour as well, organising setlists and running orders of albums... hmm...

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by secret love

So on your other point - it is completely true and fair.
Stevie knew the four (three, sorry) other members wanted to tour in 2012 to mark the exact 35th anniversary of Rumours. She asked - or more likely, just told them how it was - for a delay of one year and got her wish. Rude, selfish, and totally not worth it, from what I hear the 2012 Heart and Soul Tour with Rod sucked.
Lindsey has never had much chutzpah in the band, never had any say except for in the studio... oh, and on tour as well, organising setlists and running orders of albums... hmm...

So do you think they were gonna tell her to eff off? Fire the old witch from the band? And then without her go play to crowds of one thousand people or less.
You're just going to have to accept, whether you like it or not, that FM cannot successfully continue unless Stevie Nicks is in the band. She can ask for another 3 years off after this tour and they will still be waiting for her when she returns.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by vivfox

So do you think they were gonna tell her to eff off? Fire the old witch from the band? And then without her go play to crowds of one thousand people or less.
You're just going to have to accept, whether you like it or not, that FM cannot successfully continue unless Stevie Nicks is in the band. She can ask for another 3 years off after this tour and they will still be waiting for her when she returns.

THAT is the cold hard truth.

Love her or hate her, $he is the seat filler.

Old hag.

[sue]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

THAT is the cold hard truth.

Love her or hate her, $he is the seat filler.

Old hag.

Careful.....I know it’s Christmas, but you’re almost polite a about Ste..
sorry the Old Hag

[elle]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

THAT is the cold hard truth.

Love her or hate her, $he is the seat filler.

SN name fills half of the arena, FM brand fills the other half.

no-brand-name Buckingham McVie filled 3-5000 sheds same way as current FM is filling arenas (ie having somewhat of a hard time, same as Nicks / Pretenders girl-power-bill was having somewhat of a hard time filling arenas).

so while Nicks name is the only recognizable among the classic 5 in the US, let's stay real. saying FM brand would barely fill 1k seaters is a complete and utter bs and people throw that out there just to belittle the band.

plus, it always surprises me how some fans here seem to take the stand of what's best for the band /managers, and not what's best for the fans. y'all want to pay through the nose for a boring GH arena show, instead of seing your favorite in a more intimate setting doing more of their interesting deep cuts or new songs. i will never understand that. i will always prefer LB solo than LB with FM, there are so many more interesting tracks i can hear from him solo, plus he is so much more free to go off the cuff in that setting. lucky for fans like me, it looks like he's NGBA!

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by elle

SN name fills half of the arena, FM brand fills the other half.

no-brand-name Buckingham McVie filled 3-5000 sheds same way as current FM is filling arenas (ie having somewhat of a hard time, same as Nicks / Pretenders girl-power-bill was having somewhat of a hard time filling arenas).

so while Nicks name is the only recognizable among the classic 5 in the US, let's stay real. saying FM brand would barely fill 1k seaters is a complete and utter bs and people throw that out there just to belittle the band.

plus, it always surprises me how some fans here seem to take the stand of what's best for the band /managers, and not what's best for the fans. y'all want to pay through the nose for a boring GH arena show, instead of seing your favorite in a more intimate setting doing more of their interesting deep cuts or new songs. i will never understand that. i will always prefer LB solo than LB with FM, there are so many more interesting tracks i can hear from him solo, plus he is so much more free to go off the cuff in that setting. lucky for fans like me, it looks like he's NGBA!

I'll always be thankful that my last FM album, and last two FM shows were GOAT FREE. I'll never forget either show, and the love that was felt there.

$he ruined FM, you know.

Old hag.