Poor Sales??

[skcin]

Originally Posted by DavidMn

I guess I should maybe try to make my point a different way. I'm 37, and when I was younger I was either too young or didnt have enough money to see Fleetwood Mac or any of its members until the Dance tour. I wanted to go to more on that tour than I did(5) so when they SYW tour came along I decided to go all out. I wont be going to as many shows on this tour as I did on SYW thats for sure, but I am still excited because I missed out on so many opportunities when I was younger. I probably shouldve used a different word that killjoy. It was just a little bit of a downer seeing the negative opinions, but like I said I think its good that people are speaking their mind. Everybody has different levels of interest or frustration with how this is being presented. I certainly dont expect everyone to share my enthusiasm about this tour.

Me too David - I saw them for the first time in '97 & Stevie once in '01. After that, I went a little crazy & racked up 5 Mac shows & 4 solo Stevie shows in 3 years. For some reason I'm just not that excited this time around & I don't feel it's my duty to keep pouring money into this band. I don't feel taken advantage of or anything, I'm just done. I have other priorities at this point - been there & done that.

Originally Posted by kennation

First of all, your attitude needs some repair. No one said for you to suck it up. I am only explaining my stand point in a reasonable manner. That is exactly what this forum is about. If you cannot be more civilized then you SHOULDN'T be here. That simple. Get a grip. Sorry if my supportive approach to a band I adore upsets you. It's a shame you can't be a happier person and respect the opinion of others without getting so nasty. People like you should be removed from the site. Plain and simple.

Feel free to report my posts to the moderators if you feel I was out of line. I was not nasty to you at all. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm being uncivilized.

Originally Posted by marino223

skcin, your point is well-taken with regards to telling people what they should or shouldn't do...

Thanks. I was just expressing my opinion - didn't think it was that big a deal.

Originally Posted by trackaghost

Dude, you only registered this month! And you are telling one of the people who has been here longest and is one of the most respected Ledgies around here what this forum is about and how she should post? Are you serious? I didn't think Paula's post was rude at all, but yours certainly is.

Thanks Trackie. I didn't think I was being rude either, but I apologize if some misunderstood.

Originally Posted by camchristo

Wow. I really think you are out of line. You just joined this Board a few weeks ago and you're talking to a long-time member this way? Paula has a great reputation on this Board and happens to be a good friend of mine. Her post was not rude. She told you that you are free to speak your mind, which you are, but that you should not tell the rest of us over and over (and over) about how happy we should be about this tour and how we should all jump to throw our money at them for a rehashed, backwashed, half-assed, money-grubbing tour. You are the one that should get a grip. And, you'll note that she used the icon, which denotes that she was joking in at least that part of her post. Maybe if you had been around longer, you would undertand the uses associated with various smilies.

That being said, I'm a huge fan of the Mac. Everyone thinks I'm crazy. I've only see FM twice (on the SYW tour). Will I go see them? Yes. Will I bitch about the tired set list and lack of promotion and overall effort? You bet. Will I spend a fortune for a VIP package? Nope. I'll take my chances and wait for the prices for the good seats to come down.
If spending almost $2,000 on your 2 VIP packages was worth it to you, great! Nobody here is telling you to not be happy about it. It's a message board where people post conflicting opinions and debate various topics, FM included. If you want a Board that is all sunshine and rainbows, you could pop over to 7 Wonders.

That's what my plan is too, Camchristo.

Originally Posted by trackaghost

But just because the band has meant a lot to me over the years and given me much joy that doesn't mean I have to endorse everything they do, whether it's their music or badly run fanclubs or over-priced tickets. And really if you can't say this stuff on a fan forum where can you say it? People here are interested, they understand, they can discuss it.

But then, I've only bought all the Mac's albums, singles and videos/DVDs, been to see them live numerous times, built up a huge collection of bootlegs and memorabilia, what do I know, I'm not a REAL fan apparently.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by estranged4life

As for the 'real fans support at any cause', sorry, never bought into that...I believe 'real fans' also have the right to question certain moves a band makes, even if that may appear to some as being "Not supporting a band and being a fan."

I totally agree.

Thanks to all who defended me. I really don't think I was rude or offensive in any way, but thank you just the same. I appreciate that most of us can disagree but still get along & respect eachother's opinions.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by skcin

Thanks to all who defended me. I really don't think I was rude or offensive in any way, but thank you just the same. I appreciate that most of us can disagree but still get along & respect eachother's opinions.

Anytime Skcin... you could be my silver spring..

[DeeGeMe]

I would just like to see them do shows where everything down to the last little detail and everything they say or do isn't scripted. It's like they're terrified to go off script--someone might say something to or about someone on stage that hasn't been pre-approved by each band member's agent, lawyer, PR person, and/or spiritual advisor beforehand. I want to see genuine emotion, not actors following a script for God's sake.

And re supporting a band? I've been a fan since I was 10 years old. That's over 30 years now and counting. But I will not sacrifice essentials in my life or my family's to support a bunch of multi-millionaires. I support me (and my family) first and everyone and everything else second-and that's the way it should be. I'm not trying to tell anyone how to spend their money--if you've got it to blow-fine, spend it. But don't tell anyone here what we should be doing to "support the band" either.

Now let's all have a group hug okay?

[JbbyStew86]

I agree, group hug is in order on this one. I've been a fan my whole 21 year life but never got to see them live. So I bent hell and earth to get tickets. But if I'd seen them before, I'd have a hard time paying what I did for these tickets. Times are tiiiight folks. If I'd seen them before, I'd probably put my non-existent mortgage payment first too. Either we go or we don't. The music will still be there either way!

[UnwindedDreams]

I can't find any tickets on the floor or lower level for Mohegan.

[starshine]

Originally Posted by Zombie

You've got some big brass ones there, my friend. ALL of us here are fans, whether we've been following the band for 3 weeks or 30 years. We wouldn't be here if we weren't. We've all supported this band, whether by buying one CD or 100, going to 50 SYW tour stops or buying the DVD because we couldn't afford the tickets, or whether we have 50 dollars to spend on a seat in the nosebleeds or a couple thousand to shell out for a M&G. I had no idea that Fleetwood Mac was a carnival ride wherein rather than having to be this tall to ride, I have to meet certain income requirements instead.

Our support means we get to have an opinion, whether you like it or you don't, about what the band is doing - after all, it is that support, in the form of our collective hard-earned cash, that has afforded them the long, long career they've enjoyed.

I would certainly hope that FM would prefer to have fans that actually care about what they are doing, and want them to be the best they can be (i.e. put out great music, and rock on with their bad selves for as long as possible while still maintaining their artistic integrity) rather than a horde of mindless drones with no opinions, who slavishly adore every little thing they do, no matter how base or beneath themselves it may be. When you're over the moon about anything they do JUST because it's them doing it, that negates everything they've worked so hard to achieve over the years. When you are fine with everything they do like that, then all you're saying is that you don't care if they try anymore, you don't care if they are happy or motivated or excited, you're fine with seeing them just go through the motions year after year after year. They deserve better than that, and we do, too.

The way this upcoming tour is being handled smacks of money-grubbing no matter which way you look at it, and if you'd take the time to quit frothing at the mouth over what you perceive as insults, you'd notice that what all of these "negative" opinions really boil down to is a large group of devoted Fleetwood Mac fans that are disappointed because we all KNOW Fleetwood Mac is so much better than this.

It's not just complaining that we feel they are treating US badly, because they are treating themselves badly, too.

Zombie I so totally agree with your post....totally hits the mark on all points. I don't think anyone should be banned. Esp when alot of us fans have been here longer. Plus I don't think anyone has been rude either. Theres nothing wrong with anyones opinions here to me. Personally, no matter how you have supported Fmac or Stevie etc. through the years you get an opinion. If you can go to next yrs concert by all means go for it...whether its the cheap seats or the expensive ones. I don't feel that 'need' anymore & I don't think it makes me less of a fan cause for many reasons stated in this thread. I've had the pleasure through the yrs to see them....and Stevie. I personally would rather have material that we don't have. The could use there time and resources & material in a more productive manner than they have. Fmac has lost its focus through the years. IMO anyway, its sad really for such a wonderful band. I do agree with Zombie, that 'they' are much better than this really. $$ will call and I guess if it was us we'd possibly do it for that too. I do feel cheated in some ways. Personally, Christine left cause she knew it was time to go. I think she was the smart one of all of them. With all the unreleased material and dvds and outtakes photos etc. They'd not ever have to tour again but touring is where they make there money now. Same for Stevie. She could do tons of releases of her Masters /dvds/outtake photos etc. I'd love that more than a tour of the 'hits' anymore personally.....that makes me excited. Not the rashing of the same old same old. Its only an opinion not a put down. It is what it is....they won't change so I have to change my thinking on all of this ....what I'm willing to spend or not spend anymore. I don't think whatever we do as fans makes us less or more of a fan period. We are people first with choices to make. Some things are more important than others right now. Does that mean we are not fans if we don't see them next yr....I don't think so....anymore than someone that can go to every show a better fan. Personally, this isn't a competition of some sort. At least I don't think so. No offence anyone......

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by DeeGeMe

I would just like to see them do shows where everything down to the last little detail and everything they say or do isn't scripted. It's like they're terrified to go off script--someone might say something to or about someone on stage that hasn't been pre-approved by each band member's agent, lawyer, PR person, and/or spiritual advisor beforehand. I want to see genuine emotion, not actors following a script for God's sake.

And re supporting a band? I've been a fan since I was 10 years old. That's over 30 years now and counting. But I will not sacrifice essentials in my life or my family's to support a bunch of multi-millionaires. I support me (and my family) first and everyone and everything else second-and that's the way it should be. I'm not trying to tell anyone how to spend their money--if you've got it to blow-fine, spend it. But don't tell anyone here what we should be doing to "support the band" either.

Amen.

[TrueFaith77]

Originally Posted by Zombie

The way this upcoming tour is being handled smacks of money-grubbing no matter which way you look at it, and if you'd take the time to quit frothing at the mouth over what you perceive as insults, you'd notice that what all of these "negative" opinions really boil down to is a large group of devoted Fleetwood Mac fans that are disappointed because we all KNOW Fleetwood Mac is so much better than this.

It's not just complaining that we feel they are treating US badly, because they are treating themselves badly, too.

Very well put. You sum up one of the... poignant?... aspects of being a Mac fan. It's also part of what makes them fascinating: that combination of indisputable talents (STILL, after all these years), interpersonal tensions, and economic pressures have resulted in decades of not-quite achieving potential. Just makes my heart ache to think about it.

Originally Posted by Lori40

The only way that FM can redeem themselves is if, as TrueFaith77 posted, this tour brings back an emotional connection and allows them to write and record new music which they will then tour in support of. If not, there will be many disappointed fans who should be able to voice their disapproval on this board.

Thank you for rephrasing my feelings so well. And for agreeing with me!

[StandbackStevie]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

I can't find any tickets on the floor or lower level for Mohegan.

i have checked as well same here for mohegan show my guess as it gets closer you might find a better seat no lower levels either last time i checked I saw lower levels but no floor and no upper level was showing. almost looks like its a sold out show. I do have tickets not sure where my seats are but i do have tickets.

[StandbackStevie]

i have just checked all sections are available for mohegan sun except for the floor section seems to be sold out or they are holding them for some reason and probably will release them later on not sure. i just checked there is tickets in the 125,150 and 175 range available except for the floor seats. I am looking forward to this show this will be my only show on this tour unless they add another connecticut date then i will see two.

[DeeGeMe]

Originally Posted by StandbackStevie

i have just checked all sections are available for mohegan sun except for the floor section seems to be sold out or they are holding them for some reason and probably will release them later on not sure. i just checked there is tickets in the 125,150 and 175 range available except for the floor seats. I am looking forward to this show this will be my only show on this tour unless they add another connecticut date then i will see two.

It's a casino. They like to reward the big gamblers with perks like this so my guess is that they are holding at least part of the tickets for that.

[StandbackStevie]

Originally Posted by DeeGeMe

It's a casino. They like to reward the big gamblers with perks like this so my guess is that they are holding at least part of the tickets for that.

yes usually they hold the really good seats for the high rollers comp tickets so you have that to deal with plus radio promo tickets and the vip all access tickets as well and the high rollers to get there comp tickets they pick them up the night of the show a few hours before I believe from what I hav heard. and if some of the high rollers dont take the tickets the tickets get thrown in to the system to get sold.

[StandbackStevie]

Originally Posted by DeeGeMe

I would just like to see them do shows where everything down to the last little detail and everything they say or do isn't scripted. It's like they're terrified to go off script--someone might say something to or about someone on stage that hasn't been pre-approved by each band member's agent, lawyer, PR person, and/or spiritual advisor beforehand. I want to see genuine emotion, not actors following a script for God's sake.

And re supporting a band? I've been a fan since I was 10 years old. That's over 30 years now and counting. But I will not sacrifice essentials in my life or my family's to support a bunch of multi-millionaires. I support me (and my family) first and everyone and everything else second-and that's the way it should be. I'm not trying to tell anyone how to spend their money--if you've got it to blow-fine, spend it. But don't tell anyone here what we should be doing to "support the band" either.

Now let's all have a group hug okay?

I agree we all need a big group hug

[DavidMn]

I wonder if the lack of sales has affected the announcement of more dates. Not that there wont be more, but it seems that its been a long time (Dec 3) since the announcement of tour dates. Whats everyone else think about this?

[GypsyGirl15]

Originally Posted by DavidMn

I wonder if the lack of sales has affected the announcement of more dates. Not that there wont be more, but it seems that its been a long time (Dec 3) since the announcement of tour dates. Whats everyone else think about this?

I just HOPE there will be more dates in May/June, so I can see them in concert when I'm in America and won't have to wait til they maybe come to Europe.