Mick Article

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

This was sent to another list I am on. There is mention of the new double album towards the bottom!!



Mick Fleetwood: Total Drummer, Totally on Top of the World

Interview by special correspondent Shawn Perry

When it comes to pushing the musical envelope, Mick Fleetwood literally stands head and shoulders above the crowd. Together with bassist John McVie, the lanky drummer has taken the engine room of Fleetwood Mac through various treacherous valleys to scale some momentous peaks over the course of 35 years. From the blues-infused three-guitar attack of the late 60s line-up to the milder, California-based quintet that went on to sell millions of records during the 70s, 80s and 90s, Fleetwood Mac's journey has undoubtedly been wrought with disaster, diversity and discovery.

As the captain of the ship, Fleetwood has never lost sight of what lies over the horizon. Downtime with the band presents numerous extracurricular activities -- be it his explorations into world music rhythms, his excursions with his other band, the Zoo, or a variety of eclectic collaborations. Now, Fleetwood -- in his fifth decade as a musician -- has stepped into the 21st Century with a revolutionary new offering called Total Drumming.

Total Drumming is a series of drum loops Fleetwood has created with Sonic Foundry, a highly regarded digital media software company. Utilizing the company's technology and aligning it with their flagship product ACID™, a loop-based creation tool used extensively by musicians and producers to create royalty-free music, Total Drumming boasts over 800 drum patterns developed by Fleetwood with assistance from producer Jonathan Todd and Sonic Foundry's Mike Schelbinger. In his own inimitable way, the drummer has embraced the project wholeheartedly.

"I wanted to learn more about loops and what really goes on -- how it's done, how it's controlled," Fleetwood says via telephone from Los Angeles. "I found it extremely interesting just because I'm that type of a guy."

To begin, Fleetwood, Todd and Schelbinger took a methodical approach to shifting the whole thing into gear. This required the production team, along with the drummer himself, to take a good, hard look at Fleetwood's body of work, which covers a considerable amount of ground.

"There was some homework I had to do," Fleetwood recalls. "Re-listening to albums, and re-listening to other things I'd done. In some cases, just slapping on stuff I knew that I used to play but wasn't actually my music -- like old blues stuff I found myself listening to, you know, some stuff that influenced me. And that was a lot of fun, just realizing what was enduring, what drums I was using, paying attention, and making notes."

Once they had thoroughly sifted through the material, it was time to go into the studio and begin the recording process. Aside from a drum set or two, Fleetwood's tools of the trade included wind chimes, talking drums, udu drums, cymbals, maracas, timbales, cowbells, guiros, cabasas, shakeres, rattling horse jawbones, even a gong. It took three hours just to unpack everything. But once all of the equipment was in place, Fleetwood immersed himself in the process.

"I was incredibly free to play for 16 or 17 hours for two solid days -- from early in the morning to fairly late at night," he notes. "All of the post production work at Sonic was basically the deliberations and choices that were made after the fact."

The end result is a comprehensive library of blues, funk and rock grooves, one-shots, and an assortment of percussive sound bytes.

"The integrity of the initial sounds is all very much intact," Fleetwood proudly exclaims. "There are no short cuts and that gives me a great comfort, which is my way of saying that this makes me feel good about handing over something I find really exciting. People can go off, perform, interact and make up their own mind as to where they go."

Needless to say, the drummer sees the marriage of music and technology as a positive step forward in the creative process. "To see technology used in a way that brings people into a creative situation has to be a good thing. There are great technologies out there that are growing and truly enable short cuts. It may apply to someone who might get frustrated and may never go into that area because they haven't sat in a room and learned to play the violin for 20 years. And the snobs of the world say, 'Well, that's what they should be doing.' I say, 'Why is that the case? Why do you have to be so one-tracked? Nothing means anything unless you've suffered?' The whole idea of what this does is a major element of bringing people into the creative process. Having said that, I'm also aware that people who are very adept at their craft of being musicians, producers, engineers -- this is just an extra piece of something fantastic."

Aside from broadening his own insights into a rich and colorful musical history, Total Drumming has also provided Fleetwood with the perfect launching pad for his current endeavor: the first full studio Fleetwood Mac album in over 10 years. For this outing, four-fifths of the group's most successful incarnation are on board. Only keyboardist Christine McVie, arguably one of the band's stronger songwriters, has opted to sit out. As always, Fleetwood and company are pressing on undeterred.

"Lindsey (Buckingham) has done the lion's share of producing and engineering on the project, which is a first," Fleetwood says. "We're working out of a house in Los Angeles instead of a studio. That's worked really well. It's made it a lot more human with just us and no one else there. There's no sense of clocking in, clocking out. It's just a situation that lives and breathes."

Fleetwood says the sessions have been so fruitful that the album will likely be a two-disc set. This, of course, will probably delay its release until 2003.

"A Christmas release has turned into a New Year release because we obviously need more time to finish up if it's a double package. We'll at least allow for that possibility," he says.

With Christine McVie out of the fold, Fleetwood cites a change in the climate and dynamics of the record and the band. He attributes this to the chemistry between Buckingham and Stevie Nicks, who were working and living together prior to being discovered by the drummer.

"Stevie and Lindsey, as a creative partnership, are majorly back in the saddle," he says. "These are the two people whom I heard and saw and asked to join Fleetwood Mac. And now they are who they are without Christine. It's Buckingham Nicks. They're finding their harmonies that we added to the band all those years ago. They're getting back to where they were when they joined Fleetwood Mac, in terms of the energy. And that's pretty wild."

Once the band finishes the still yet to be titled album, they'll hit the road for an all encompassing tour. "We'll probably start around mid-April," Fleetwood says. "The wheel is turning at an ever increasing rotation towards that. We'll know when we walk on stage and ultimately do what we're fairly good at doing."

At 55, one would think that Mick Fleetwood would be getting ready to wind down his long and illustrious career. However, his professional and personal life seems to be on a roll. "At this point, I am truly looking at my life and my career and seeing how unbelievably lucky I have been to do something that I love to do," he says. "I've been truly blessed with being totally free within the ranks of Fleetwood Mac. And with my two beautiful young daughters, I'm getting the chance to be a family man again. All is good."



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[CarneVaca]

That's a pretty good update. It sounds like the band is most likely going for a 2-disk release. It might have made more sense to release a 15-song single disk and save the rest for another album a year later. But, hey, this is Fleetwood Mac!

[Rainman]

A second album would be nice, but putting out a 2-disk set is a big, bold statement. Who's done anything like that lately? It will get lots of attention, and just think of all the new material!

I hope it comes to pass.

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by Rainman
Putting out a 2-disk set is a big, bold statement. Who's done anything like that lately?

It's also a sure way to cut sales. Look at what happened to Springsteen when he launched two records on the same day about a decade ago. Same with Guns 'n Roses. And, hey, go back to Tusk. Had it been a 12-song record, it probably would have sold more.

While Tusk is a tremendous album with only a couple of stinkers, other double albums (or simultaneous releases) usually result from an artist's over-indulgent failure to self edit. And the buying public tends to react negatively to that.

However, I can think of instances in which the artist used up most of a CD's space with hidden tracks and so forth, but the release didn't cost any more than your average CD.

[Rainman]

It's also a sure way to cut sales.

Well, this is probably true, Tusk being the key example you cited. I admit I'm looking at it from a selfish and appreciation point of view. I'd love to have that big batch of good music from my favourite band.

And I wonder, have they reached the point in their careers where the money is secondary? I mean, surely they don't want a flop. But maybe they want to put out a 2-disk set just because they can--just because they haven't released anything new in 10 years and this is a way to make a statement and screw the multi-platinum b.s.

Just a thought. But you make a good point.

[goldustboi]

Also, HIStory by Michael Jackson was a double album, and although it was half new, half greatest hits, its double format meant the price could be as high as £30 in some shops which inevitably would put people off buying it. It sold well overall (incidently its the biggest selling double album ever) but just goes to show that on the whole, doubles do inhibit sales.

but what the hell, at least we get twice as many MAC songs!!

[wetcamelfood]

This is just my thought but when they say "a double" album, I think what they might mean is that they have something like say, 100 minutes worth of new music in which case they could either release two 50 minute CD's (whether it be as a double disc set or as two single disc sets) or, what I think they will end up doing which is one 79 minute CD and the other 21 minutes (or so) of new music will be used as "B-side" type tracks for the singles. I would prefer the double disc set in the sense that it would be easier to replace down the line if something happened to my first copy of the music but as long as I got the music, I'd be happy!

John

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by sodascouts


I would actually argue Tusk falls into that category.

Tusk has hidden tracks!? That's news to me.

Also the article in the original post says, "Fleetwood says the sessions have been so fruitful that the album will likely be a two-disc set."

So we're talking TWO discs, not "one 79 minute CD and the other 21 minutes (or so) of new music will be used as "B-side" type tracks for the singles."

[sodascouts]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Tusk has hidden tracks!? That's news to me.

Wow, I feel like a retard. Using the wrong chunk of a quote really takes away effectiveness, doesn't it? lol I'm gonna go back and delete that. It's pretty embarrasing.

[sodascouts]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
While Tusk is a tremendous album with only a couple of stinkers, other double albums (or simultaneous releases) usually result from an artist's over-indulgent failure to self edit.

I would actually argue Tusk does fall into that category.

About the double album - maybe FM sees this as their swan song, and so they're putting all they've got on it knowing it's never going to happen again.

Depressing thought, but possible.

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by sodascouts



Wow, I feel like a retard. Using the wrong chunk of a quote really takes away effectiveness, doesn't it? lol I'm gonna go back and delete that. It's pretty embarrasing.

That's all right. You gave me a good laugh.

[Hawkeye]

what do you guys mean by hidden tracks.