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Also, how many parents who are proud that their children served and died in Iraq did MM show. Certainly they exist. In the end, the film, by his own admission, is one sided and is propoganda. I do not fault him for it. I just feel the need to point that out whenever you all seemingly take it for the be all and end all of the unbiased truth, which it is not and was never intended to be, which MM readily admits. |
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And Moore has never said his film is propaganda. He said it's one-sided and anti-Bush, but propaganda is not the right word for it. Again, show me a documentary that isn't biased.
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Besides, I do believe that Moore does mention that the family disowned him. But Moore also points out that some of the family remains in contact with him and, in fact, some of them went to Osama's son's wedding in Afghanistan. That's in the movie. Quote:
Let's say Moore got this wrong. Whose fault is that? These flights taking place during the shutdown of US airspace have been reported for at least a year. I believe even the Times and Washington Post reported them. If the 9/11 commission debunks this as a myth after the movie has already been made, whose fault is it? After all, the flights had been accepted as fact until then. And why didn't the commission release its report earlier? Didn't the administration have something to do with the delays? Having said all that, I am still skeptical about the story of these flights. If Clarke says, in the context of the flights taking place during the shutdown of the airspace, that he approved them, not the White House, but the commission says they took place after the airspace was reopened, who is right? If the commission has taken Clarke's testimony and made it part of its findings in some things but has chosen to differ with him on this, then I must ask why. Am I missing something? Quote:
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I agree it is biased. If MM was not trying to link W to OBL, then why is the allowing of the Saudis to leave such a big deal. I am sure many Middle Eastern dignitaries left then as well. Why point out these?
BTW - I agree hannity lies. I am not talking about that. I am talking about his technique of yelling, etc. I think MM employs a similar technique to make his point. He, like Hannity, does not just factually say something. He and Hannity are smarter than that. So is Randi Rhodes (sp.?) - they all know that using emotion (humor, yelling, etc.) will get them noticed. I do not blame them for it. I just recognize they all do it. Yet, the far left will NEVER admit MM uses it and that makes him similar to every other pundit who does it as well. |
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Seriously, I was just using his own words to make my point - nothing more. Yet, when that point is made, the far left goes beserk - it is almost like making that point takes away from the credibility of the point of the movie. |
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Surely you can see why it is problematic to allow the Saudis, including the bin Ladin clan, to leave while detaining scores of Pakistanis, Egyptians, Moroccans, Iranians and assorted other Middle Eastern and North African folks? Considering most of the terrorists were Saudis, and considering that there are plenty of provable links between the Saudi "government" and the al Qaida, this strikes me as deriliction of duty. You don't see that way? But then again, we did attack Iraq when we should have attacked Saudi Arabia... |
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I readily admit that Moore uses techniques to get butts in the seats, don't say that I "never admit that." He has to in order to get his message out. More power to him.
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I did not way MM yells. I said he, like all other pundits, uses histrionics to sell his story. Again, I, and apparently, you have no problem with that.
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I did not walk away from this film thinking Bush aided OBL.
I walked away from this film thinking that Bush had long-lasting financial relationships with the bin Ladens and that he let that color his reaction to 9/11. He didn't push where he should have pushed and he didn't demand when he should have demanded. He is weak, easily led, and not intellectually up to the role of President of the US. I have no doubt that Bush did these things at the behest, or at least the encouragement of others. I think the look on his face during those seven minutes in the classroom could characterize much of Bush's administration. I think the invasion of Iraq was personally motivated, and AT BEST I think he thought it would be an easy victory that he could wave in front of the Americans when he realized OBL wasn't standing in the middle of the Afgan desert flipping the bird at every American plane that passed overhead. As I said in the other post the other thing that resonates with me is the weakness of our Democratic leaders in all of this, and if someone would have stood up before now, there wouldn't be a F9/11.
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I like most people have this thing we call a "life." This "life" requires things like a job and attention to loved ones to keep it sustained. It is true that I have “scurried away.” Some of us have to actually work to survive. Unfortunately, I look at work as a time to be productive and to earn a paycheck. It is hard for me to justify spending time addressing attacks from liberals who get offended when someone disagrees with them. There is money to be made and taxes, which you wonderful liberals love so much, to be paid. More power to you if you have all the time in the world to post all day, every day. I wish I could have that kind of free time. I will post in due time, but not until I take care of the important things in life, like my job and my family. Peace out!
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