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[ajmccarrell]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I'd appreciate you not comparing my relationship to incest. For the record, we also don't have anything in common with polygamists, pedophiles or folks into bestiality. The claim that allowing gay marriage suddenly opens it up for every imaginable deviant is a straw man argument, and demonstrates that those who oppose it have absolutely no genuinely valid reasons.

Regarding Obama's stance on the issue -- he's always stated that he's pro-civil unions, but not gay marriage. He's never said anything to the contrary.

And nice try dismissing the quotes. You opined that left-wingers accuse right-wingers of hate and prejudice without backing those claims up with facts -- I provided facts, and now you say "so what," and ridiculously accuse me of fascism.

They have a right to say anything they please -- however, those statements illuminate the deep-seated prejudices in the party, and negate your claim that one "never hears this kind of anger and hate coming from the right wing."

But, hey, at least you finally responded.

I still stand that you don't hear the same kind of hatred coming from the right as from the left. No right-winger has made a rap song about killing a political commentators family in front of him or about "silencing" people once and for all, or that the opposition party nominee needs to be "paralized". The best you can come up with are a bunch of ignorant statements, but no one wants to kill anyone specifically or makes any threats to. I did back up the argument with several quotes previously.

Anyway, the problem with the gay marriage agenda is that it really isn't all about rights. If it were, then it would allow for close family members to give one another spousal rights. If I'm close to my brother, sister, daughter, son, mother, father, etc then under the logic supporting gay marriage, why can't I marry one of them? Even gay marriage advocates argue that I can't because it's incest. Well, to me, it would be all about rights and not sex. The basic problem is that gay marriage boils the argument down to sex. If I'm not having sex with any of the above relations, why should it matter? It brings the government into the bedroom, which is the last place it should be. Gay marriage, as is any state sanctioned marriage, is exclusionary by nature.....STILL! Why not allow free marriage with anyone, as it may be important to pass on spousal rights to someone else I could not currently legally marry? I mean, in France, you can actually marry dead people, and in Spain a 12 year old can marry. Having the state involved in such issues just leads to craziness.

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by ajmccarrell

I still stand that you don't hear the same kind of hatred coming from the right as from the left. No right-winger has made a rap song about killing a political commentators family in front of him or about "silencing" people once and for all.

Except perhaps for the gun happy right winger Jim Adkisson who went into a Knoxville Tenn. Unitarian church a month ago and opened fire because he" didn't like liberals "and by extension homosexuals and then there was Olympic bomber Eric Rudolph who also bombed abortion clinics and a gay night club..these rightwingnuts actually murdered real people as opposed to the ones you cited who only sang about it or inferred it.Riddle me this :where are their left wing counterparts of the last 30 years or so that actually followed through and murdered people.?.I'll bet you can't answer that one.

[ajmccarrell]

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

Except perhaps for the gun happy right winger Jim Adkisson who went into a Knoxville Tenn. Unitarian church a month ago and opened fire because he" didn't like liberals "and by extension homosexuals and then there was Olympic bomber Eric Rudolph who also bombed abortion clinics and a gay night club..these rightwingnuts actually murdered real people as opposed to the ones you cited who only sang about it or inferred it.Riddle me this :where are their left wing counterparts of the last 30 years or so that actually followed through and murdered people.?.I'll bet you can't answer that one.

Just look at Vince Foster. My aunt (who is a socialist by the way) shared an office with Robert Mueller, who was originally assigned to the case. Hillary murdered Vince Foster, according to her. How about the biggest cases of murder in the name of liberalism and "equality", the tens of millions of murders committed by Stalin, a leftist, and Hitler a left-wing socialist. People forget that Hitler wasn't right-wing, he was a lefty. Take a look at any abortion clinic. In 1996 an angry lesbian had a standoff at her local church after shooting the pastor for speaking out against homosexuality. Janet Reno invading Randy Weaver's home and killing his 12 year old son, his wife and dog. Jack Kevorkian was a famous killer in the name of liberalism. There was a shooting in Seattle about a year ago, where a liberal arab shot up the Jewish League building and killed a few women. His politics were not released to the press, of course. Two Indianapolis pastors were murdered because of their conservative views in 1997. One of Falwell's co-ministers was also murdered by a liberal.

http://tsfiles.wordpress.com/2008/06...o-be-murdered/

How about this pastor arrested for preaching,
http://www.conservativetruth.org/arc...07-28-02.shtml

[ajmccarrell]

Here's one that just occurred!

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/21356/richard-watson

Here's another!

http://thomaskraemer.blogspot.com/20...gay-views.html

Still more

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/12/09/1131

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by ajmccarrell

Just look at Vince Foster. My aunt (who is a socialist by the way) shared an office with Robert Mueller, who was originally assigned to the case. Hillary murdered Vince Foster, according to her. How about the biggest cases of murder in the name of liberalism and "equality", the tens of millions of murders committed by Stalin, a leftist, and Hitler a left-wing socialist. People forget that Hitler wasn't right-wing, he was a lefty. Take a look at any abortion clinic. In 1996 an angry lesbian had a standoff at her local church after shooting the pastor for speaking out against homosexuality. Janet Reno invading Randy Weaver's home and killing his 12 year old son, his wife and dog. Jack Kevorkian was a famous killer in the name of liberalism. There was a shooting in Seattle about a year ago, where a liberal arab shot up the Jewish League building and killed a few women. His politics were not released to the press, of course. Two Indianapolis pastors were murdered because of their conservative views in 1997. One of Falwell's co-ministers was also murdered by a liberal.

http://tsfiles.wordpress.com/2008/06...o-be-murdered/

How about this pastor arrested for preaching,
http://www.conservativetruth.org/arc...07-28-02.shtml

I was talking about this country in particular and the last 30 years .Hitler was a fascist hateful of jews,homsexuals and racial and religious minorties far to the right indeed so a terrible example.Stalin was a communist despot ..hardly a liberal.Where is the proof that Falwell's pastor was murdered by a liberal for his politcal beliefs or the Indianapolis pastors for that matter?As for the Arab I'm sure it had more to do with conflicts in the Middle East than American politics that and most Jewish people are liberal Democrats!Dr Kevorkian assisted with sucides he did not shoot people.Janet Reno was a represenative of the U.S. government and that was a hard case but what about the reactions of Timothy McVeigh, the worst homegrown terrorist in US . history and clearly a rightwingnut.Never heard the one about the angry lesbian but I'm sure there was more to it than just that . The preacher probably molested her when she was a kid.And last but not least your Aunt needs to go the FBI right away while Bush is still in power and report what she knows about Hillary murdering Vince Foster! either that or start takimg her psych meds again.

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by ajmccarrell

Here's one that just occurred!

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/21356/richard-watson

Here's another!

http://thomaskraemer.blogspot.com/20...gay-views.html

Still more

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2007/12/09/1131

all of these are websites of virulently anti-gay,paranoid, right wing religious nuts ..hardly a credible news source.

[ajmccarrell]

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

all of these are websites of virulently anti-gay,paranoid, right wing religious nuts ..hardly a credible news source.

The liberal media doesn't report murders of right wingers. It doesn't fit their template. Besides, they still think Columbine was racially and not religiously motivated, despite reports of those nuts asking if the victims believed in God before shooting them.

Hitler was not right wing. Hitler was a socialist. Hence National Socialism, DUH!!!! You are making a horrible assumption, not based on fact, that racism is the property of the right wing, which it isn't. Sorry, but only the Dems have a KKK member on board, Robert "Sheets" Bird. Not to mention that it was the Southern Democrats who voted against Civil Rights legislation. Hitler was a socialist and clearly the democratic party is into redistribution, which was Stalin's justification for murder. More murders have happened in the name of "redistribution" and "equality" than for any other purpose.

Also, the Jewish Center that was shot up was Michael Medved's Center. He's hardly a liberal democrat!

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

Timothy McVeigh, the worst homegrown terrorist in US . history and clearly a rightwingnut.

WHATEVER info he had about THOSE who helped in the Murrah Bombing went to the grave with McVeigh.

Terry Nichols has said that OTHERS (Of foreign origin - Interesting that Nichols and 911 Terrorist Mohamed Atta were at the same small hotel in the Phillipines on the same day, and there was reports that the day in question was one where anti-American groups were gathering to plan how to kill Americans. Also odd is the Mohamed Atta was given a speeding ticket near OKC in April 1995...I love conspiracies) had part in the OKC attack - But it seems he has said this ONLY to get a new deal, but should he get a deal from the Federal Govt. the state of Oklahoma will exercise its right to have him put to death.

The attack in OKC has intrigue til this day, and I hate to say the Clinton cabinet FUBAR'd somewhere - Why did a Federal govt. building, adjacent to the Murrah Building (Actually a Federal Court House) receive an advance warning of a possible attack the day of April 19,1995 and YET no word was spread to those in the Murrah Building. A federal judge even showed the doctument sent to his office from those in Washington, DC - and when he offered to testify at McVeigh's federal trial he was blown off but the same justice system he worked for...Of course Janet Reno stated no fore-warning was ever sent.

When McVeigh went to trial, why was it over so damn fast, LOTS of witnesses (I believe the number was 104) werent called who saw McVeigh in the passenger sent of the Ryder truck with a man of olive complextion in the driver seat - and where were ALL the closed circuit security video camera footage from that day? If one has been to downtown OKC you see 'em everywhere (Even before 4/19/195)...Yet not one single frame of the blast has ever been made known.

Why were USAF experts on weaponry not called to testify that the truck bomb could not have caused the damage it did, but a small tactile NUKE could - Possibly one fired from a shoulder held rocket launcher (Which asks why did the parking lot of the Journal Records building across the street suffer total annihilation when experts said a truck bomb could NOT have done as much damage.)

Why were Federal agents in safety containment suits walking around with rad counters and told the OKC PD to "f**k off - this is NOT your concern now". Why did one police officer, who witnessed these feds end up dead in a field from "suicide" when he wasnt suicidal and the suicide note was not in his own handwriting?

Interesting **** to me, and Janet Reno ABSOTIVELY failed the citizens of OKC with the "jerkoff" of a trial, which produced no answers at all. McVeigh is gone and the truth died with him.

That fallout from that attack in my backyard is the main reason I loathe the Clinton. I know I cant blame him for the attack, but I can blame his administration for HURRILY burying the truth.


Now that I remember, Does anyone find it odd that one of the largest meetings of Middle Easterners from across the USA happens in OKC - and at these meetings they had disscused killings Americans/Jews and destroying "Capitalism and the Crusaders"? A network reporter even attending one of these meeting in early 2001 and what he tried to report back to his superiors was blown off. I remember that footage from both some doctumentary and the local OKC news.

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by ajmccarrell

The liberal media doesn't report murders of right wingers. It doesn't fit their template. Besides, they still think Columbine was racially and not religiously motivated, despite reports of those nuts asking if the victims believed in God before shooting them.

Hitler was not right wing. Hitler was a socialist. Hence National Socialism, DUH!!!! You are making a horrible assumption, not based on fact, that racism is the property of the right wing, which it isn't. Sorry, but only the Dems have a KKK member on board, Robert "Sheets" Bird. Not to mention that it was the Southern Democrats who voted against Civil Rights legislation. Hitler was a socialist and clearly the democratic party is into redistribution, which was Stalin's justification for murder. More murders have happened in the name of "redistribution" and "equality" than for any other purpose.

The "liberal media" at this point is pretty much a myth..Are you aware of the model of the political continum which begins at totalitarian fascism on one end and then goes in a circle to totalitarin communism on the other, the two meet at the end of that circle and all other political ideologies lie somewhere in between on the circle .Maybe imagining that can help with your confusion about Hitler being far to the left he was not and I know Strandie has been over this with you again and again.I think you are wrong. More murders have been comitted in the name of religion over the course of history than anything else

[ajmccarrell]

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

The "liberal media" at this point is pretty much a myth..Are you aware of the model of the political continum which begins at totalitarian fascism on one end and then goes in a circle to totalitarin communism on the other, the two meet at the end of that circle and all other political ideologies lie somewhere in between on the circle .Maybe imagining that can help with your confusion about Hitler being far to the left he was not and I know Strandie has been over this with you again and again.I think you are wrong. More murders have been comitted in the name of religion over the course of history than anything else

There was actually a book recently done on the subject and he concluded that there were far more murders committed in the name of atheism in the last century than all the previous wars combined.

I am aware of the circle, but I cannot agree on the premise. It leaves out libertarian or anarchist tendencies. There are also other diagrams such as a cross with authoritarianism on the top, anarchy at the bottom, with redistribution on the left and free markets on the right. I think that is a little closer to representing the truth of the political spectrum. I am not authoritatian and I am for unbridled free markets. Unfortunately, both mainstream parties are both authoritarian on social issues or economic issues. To me, economic issues trump social ones, so I vote republican. I'm more of a libertarian than anything, except I cannot agree with them on open borders, legalizing drugs, or dismantling our standing military.

As far as Hitler goes, he was fascist and sympathized with Mussolini. However, socialism and fascism are both redistributionist concepts, which are Marxist at the core. Hitler was a lefty, albeit a loony. I can't think of a single right wing concept he had. Stalin was a lefty. Communism is an extreme left wing philosophy. This is very basic.

[SortaSavageLike]

Originally Posted by ajmccarrell

Hitler

Godwin's Law invoked. Argument invalidated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

[The Catdancer]

Originally Posted by ajmccarrell

The liberal media doesn't report murders of right wingers. It doesn't fit their template. Besides, they still think Columbine was racially and not religiously motivated, despite reports of those nuts asking if the victims believed in God before shooting them.

Hitler was not right wing. Hitler was a socialist. Hence National Socialism, DUH!!!! You are making a horrible assumption, not based on fact, that racism is the property of the right wing, which it isn't. Sorry, but only the Dems have a KKK member on board, Robert "Sheets" Bird. Not to mention that it was the Southern Democrats who voted against Civil Rights legislation. Hitler was a socialist and clearly the democratic party is into redistribution, which was Stalin's justification for murder. More murders have happened in the name of "redistribution" and "equality" than for any other purpose.

Also, the Jewish Center that was shot up was Michael Medved's Center. He's hardly a liberal democrat!

And where do you get your "facts" from??? Wiki.... Hitler a lefty..... yeah right

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by ajmccarrell

There was actually a book recently done on the subject and he concluded that there were far more murders committed in the name of atheism in the last century than all the previous wars combined.



As far as Hitler goes, he was fascist and sympathized with Mussolini. However, socialism and fascism are both redistributionist concepts, which are Marxist at the core. Hitler was a lefty, albeit a loony. I can't think of a single right wing concept he had. Stalin was a lefty. Communism is an extreme left wing philosophy. This is very basic.

My favorite poster is one that says "What if there was no religion"on the poster is a picture of the lower Manhattan skyline ..The World Trade Center is still there. I don't think we're ever going to agree about Hitler being a left winger ..but neither of us are as far as I know advocating for totalitarianism of any kind and I'm sure we both can agree that Hitler and Stalin are equally odious so I guess it is not that important.

[ajmccarrell]

Originally Posted by SortaSavageLike

Godwin's Law invoked. Argument invalidated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

I guess that invalidates the entire Democratic Convention! LOL!