New Band Interview On Sirius XM - Page 22

StevieandChris · #**316** 05-01-2018, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by button-lip

So, Stevie and Mick weren't lying about the delay until November 2019, but Lindsey was lying about wanting to do both tours? 6 days after that video he was fired. I think it's safe to assume Mike Campbell was approached before Musicares. And don't tell me this is speculation.

Money moves the world, but you clearly don't get it.

I didn’t say Lindsey was lying. I said that was a conversation between him and fans on what he saw happening. When was the band told of this compromise? How did the conversation go?

Money is definitely a factor and they would have made more with the Rumours lineup. So the compromise conversation must have happened too late, or it was a bad conversation, or something else happened.

StevieNicksfann · #**317** 05-02-2018, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Angel75

All valid points, but those blaming Stevie for LBs firing have specific evidence and sources to confirm that it came down to an ultimatum. The 'he was not wanting to tour now' reason has been clearly discredited. We will probably never know the exact details of the arguments or meeting that took place but there is really no obvious or possible reason why he could be fired unless she said I'm not touring unless there is no Lindsey Buckingham

Understood but that is what I mean with I believe it is really less about the "what" and more about the "why". Even if Stevie made the ultimatum, why? Did Lindsey hit her? (not saying he did, just proposing that we don't know the backstory). And even if he did hit her. Why? Did she provoke him? And why? What did he do to trigger that?

So, people hanging their salem witch trials to burn Stevie because they have proof (or believe they do) that she issued an ultimatum is nothing in today's climate of fake or at least incomplete news. Or trying to brand Lindsey as the abuser or Mick as the money hungry ass. It's just way too oversimplified to do that. After all of those years, for THIS to have happened - the truth is way more complicated and they are ALL involved. We SIMPLY DO NOT KNOW. This can not be blamed on Stevie. Nor Mick. Nor Lindsey. Until we know. and we may never...

iamnotafraid · #**318** 05-02-2018, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by StevieNicksfann

...Did Lindsey hit her? (not saying he did, just proposing that we don't know the backstory). And even if he did hit her. Why? Did she provoke him? And why?

This can not be blamed on Stevie...

If Lindsey was an abuser Stevie most likely would be dead.
Who provokes more than her? No 1.

If I were a betting man I'd place a wager that it most definitely
was Stevie who is at fault here. It's in her character to do so.

bwboy · #**319** 05-02-2018, 02:07 AM

What a sad mess. I'm remembering an early rumor here that Mick asked a bunch of tour folks who would be the bigger draw, Lindsey or Stevie, and supposedly the answer was Stevie. If that was truly the deciding factor, and if it came down to firing one or the other, my question is, was he wrong to fire Lindsey? If Stevie is the bigger draw, financially it makes more sense for them. After all, touring is where Mick and John derive their income, they're not song writers. And they may have recorded Buck/Vie together, but Lindsey and Christine then went on a lengthy tour without them. Not saying that was wrong or right, just that that's what happened. And Christine and Lindsey played smaller venues at lesser prices. From a business standpoint, I can see why Mick may have done this. No matter, it's still ugly, but from a strictly financial and business pov, it kind of makes sense more sense to me now.

MoonSister75 · #**320** 05-02-2018, 03:01 AM

Maybe I've missed something in the reams of threads on this subject, and I certainly haven't read everything on this board, but....

Is it not simply that Lindsey's suggestion was either - I do my solo tour dates at the same time as the FM tour, OR we delay the tour for a year so I can do my solo tour first. Neither of which was ok for the band and it's promoters, and they couldn't find any other compromise, and so reluctantly decided that the only option was to fire him so that they could get moving with the tour.

I really don't believe they came to this decision lightly at all. In the Sirius interview, they don't particularly look over the moon about what's happening, more like resigned to what had to be, and determined to make the best of the situation.

Maybe Lindsey was furious that they wouldn't allow any solo dates during the FM tour, and he wouldn't have the time to do what he needed to do before the tour, and the other members were furious he wouldn't budge on this.

So basically there was a huge s*itstorm added to the already heightened tensions within the band, build up during the last couple of years, and the result of all that is Lindsey being fired.

Angel75 · #**321** 05-02-2018, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Storms123

Unfortunately, this lot is on the shorter end of the time spectrum, and if they don't get their isht together soon, someone is going to be singing "Landslide" at someone else's funeral.

THIS!!!!!
After Tom's passing you would expect SN to want to stay close and nurture the relationships that have been 'pivotal' in her life not cut them off. She clearly does not cope well with grief and behaves irrationally and without consideration. If BuckNicks never make peace again then I would hate to be in SNs shoes if something happened to LB.

Macfan4life · #**322** 05-02-2018, 04:51 AM

Its crazy Christine says she was not involved at all and heard of Lindsey's firing when she got back from London. Mick and Stevie did this purposely when Christine was away and before she got back?
How are you a member of a band and the rest of the band tells you they fired another member. Would you not be consulted or notified of what was going on.
That is so wrong.

button-lip · #**323** 05-02-2018, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by StevieNicksfann

Understood but that is what I mean with I believe it is really less about the "what" and more about the "why". Even if Stevie made the ultimatum, why? Did Lindsey hit her? (not saying he did, just proposing that we don't know the backstory). And even if he did hit her. Why? Did she provoke him? And why? What did he do to trigger that?

So, people hanging their salem witch trials to burn Stevie because they have proof (or believe they do) that she issued an ultimatum is nothing in today's climate of fake or at least incomplete news. Or trying to brand Lindsey as the abuser or Mick as the money hungry ass. It's just way too oversimplified to do that. After all of those years, for THIS to have happened - the truth is way more complicated and they are ALL involved. We SIMPLY DO NOT KNOW. This can not be blamed on Stevie. Nor Mick. Nor Lindsey. Until we know. and we may never...

To even suggest that Lindsey hit Stevie NOW...?!

Try to think of a better excuse, please.

button-lip · #**324** 05-02-2018, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Angel75

THIS!!!!!
After Tom's passing you would expect SN to want to stay close and nurture the relationships that have been 'pivotal' in her life not cut them off. She clearly does not cope well with grief and behaves irrationally and without consideration. If BuckNicks never make peace again then I would hate to be in SNs shoes if something happened to LB.

Trust me, she burnt ALL of her bridges with the Buckingham’s family. They’re all blaming her.

button-lip · #**325** 05-02-2018, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Its crazy Christine says she was not involved at all and heard of Lindsey's firing when she got back from London. Mick and Stevie did this purposely when Christine was away and before she got back?
How are you a member of a band and the rest of the band tells you they fired another member. Would you not be consulted or notified of what was going on.
That is so wrong.

They probably asked for her vote when they had already had John’s, so her vote was irrelevant.

NotonRodeo · #**326** 05-02-2018, 07:25 AM

If I were Chris and they really did such a thing behind my back, the first thing I would have done was to fly back to LA, fling a glass of wine at Mick, and scream bloody hell at him for deciding such a thing without her, majority vote be damned. But she didn't, so she is complicit.

Which only goes to show this was all Mick and Stevie's doing. But of course the icon worshippers will not accept such facts and will invent scenarios left and right contradicting videos and direct testimony. Stevieland has such weird inhabitants.

NotonRodeo · #**327** 05-02-2018, 08:45 AM

They have eyes but will not see, and ears but will not hear. All that gold dust must have incinerated their brains.

Feather Blade · #**328** 05-02-2018, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by button-lip

No matter if the Pope himself confirms it. It's just speculation.

Well, the Pope would have no issue crediting the information to God as opposed to claiming to have a rock-solid source but refusing to say where the supposed information came from.

AncientQueen · #**329** 05-02-2018, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by StevieNicksfann

...or Mick as the money hungry ass. It's just way too oversimplified to do that. After all of those years, for THIS to have happened - the truth is way more complicated and they are ALL involved. We SIMPLY DO NOT KNOW. This can not be blamed on Stevie. Nor Mick. Nor Lindsey. Until we know. and we may never...

Sorry, but it IS easy in Micks case. From everything I gathered over the last 41 years, one thing has never changed even the slightest bit. Mick can't handle money. He is constantly overspending and he listens to shady people. He is three times divorced with kids and had countless girlfriends, that also costs him a fortune. And he likes to occupy himself in real estate, without any luck. More than once, his bandmates had to help him out, financially. That are the facts WE ALL KNOW. His only steady income is Fleetwood Mac, so he milks the cow as much as he can and then some. He will never learn. Right now, we see the consequences of that. Stevie means more money, so - bye Lindsey. Next step - increasing the ticket prices into astronomical sums, with 600$ on the side for meet and greet.

Mick is just greedy.

pennylane · #**330** 05-02-2018, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by NotonRodeo

If I were Chris and they really did such a thing behind my back, the first thing I would have done was to fly back to LA, fling a glass of wine at Mick, and scream bloody hell at him for deciding such a thing without her, majority vote be damned. But she didn't, so she is complicit.

Which only goes to show this was all Mick and Stevie's doing. But of course the icon worshippers will not accept such facts and will invent scenarios left and right contradicting videos and direct testimony. Stevieland has such weird inhabitants.

If this happened in 1980, she probably would have. I think this just shows how weak she is in the band right now. If she had quit, Mick would probably still be trying to pedal this tour without her. After all, they'd still have Stevie. They'd still have John. They'd still have a Heartbreaker.

At this point, Christine's probably more hurt by John doing this behind her back than Mick because I think she expects better from John.

Anyway, she is rolling along with it. Whatever legitimate reasons she might have for doing so, I agree that does make her complicit.