Lindsey was fired. RIP Fleetwood Mac.

[elle]

Originally Posted by rhiannondontgo

While she’s a narcissistic, b*tchy diva for sure.

yes she's very smart and savvy as you say.

about the money, here is something you may find interesting to read that i posted earlier in Lindsey forum, i'd love to know what you think:

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpo...8&postcount=12

[rhiannondontgo]

Originally Posted by elle

yes she's very smart and savvy as you say.

about the money, here is something you may find interesting to read that i posted earlier in Lindsey forum, i'd love to know what you think:

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpo...8&postcount=12

While it’s not entirely implausible, I still think FM is worth the money to her. I’d wager that her average solo tour probably grosses about 1/3 of the average FM tour. After dividing the pay, she probably makes roughly the same amount from both. The major difference being that at solo shows, it’s just her up there nonstop for over 2 hours. Back in the day i’m sure that would please her narcissism, but now I think she probably benefits from the off time. With FM, many songs only require her to stand there and sing harmonies on a few lines and some don’t even need her presence at all. So basically FM makes her around the same amount of money for one-third of the work and 10x the publicity, which she can then use to promote her own interests too like she did so often during OWTS. Call me crazy but I also think it’s likely that she genuinely likes spending time with Chris and Mick (I doubt they enjoy it nearly as much but hey, the woman = $$$ so they’re pleasant to her either way). And she got FM to hire her best friends to sing back up so she’s still surrounded by people she loves whether she’s on her own or with the band. In actuality, I really think the only thing she doesn’t like about FM is Lindsey. But I still don’t think she had some grand plan to sign on and then get herself or him fired. I just think both of them think of the money/publicity first and always assume they’ll be able to work out the kinks but the second they see each other again they realize they underestimated the level of resentment and hatred and everything just goes to sh*t. This time it just reached new levels.

[The Catdancer]

So here's my take on this whole mess. And you might not be interested because I haven't been here in years but here goes. I think it's a combination of things. This didn't just come out of the blue and like someone said:"They didn't wake up one day and said:"Oh, let's make Lindsey's life hell".

First there's the matter of jealousy. I think Miss Nicks couldn't stand it that they made a record without her despite the fact that she said in the press that she wished them all the best. If she did, than why wasn't it called a Fleetwood Mac album? Because that's what it was, it had 4 members on it. But for whatever reason, it wasn't called Fleetwood Mac. So they called it Buckingham McVie. That's a slap in her face, it refers back to Buckingham Nicks.
Lindsey & Christine worked together which was pretty successful. Go back to the old days when Lindsey & Stevie first joined the band and Lindsey wrote World Turning with Christine. She was extremely jealous. I remember reading back then that she said:"He can write a song with her but not with me". That got her pissed off (although they did write Frozen Love together but I don't know the circumstances of that process). Not only that, Buckingham McVie had a pretty successful tour, they got good reviews.

Second there's the abuse. There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that Lindsey physically abused her. I'm a victim of domestic violence myself and I know the signs, I know the looks. It's scary. And very stressful to work with someone who has abused you in the past. An example of the fear: I hadn't talked to/seen my ex in 15 years and all of a sudden there's a message from him on Facebook. It's been 15 years, I'm in the USA, he's in Europe. I have nothing to fear, he's a million miles away. That's not how it works. I was scared to death. I had to rationalize my thoughts.
I've seen footage of a concert in 1979 where Lindsey grabs Stevie during Angel and she was scared. You could see it in her eyes. She was scared to death. I wish I knew of a way to post it here. However, having said that, she also said, years later, that when she saw him with his kids she made a huge mistake letting him go...

Third there is the power. He has softened through the years, has grown, is not abusive anymore but still pushes her buttons but finally she can say:"It's him or me". She has nothing left to lose by saying that. Her solo career is very successful. Even if Fleetwood Mac would have said:"Well Stevie, we rather have him", there's no loss. She'd just go on her merry solo way and be just as successful as he has ever been. Add Mike Campbell to her band and make another 24kg.

There's one thing that she forgets though: if it weren't for Lindsey she would never have been a part of Fleetwood Mac. She'd been a waitress, a cleaning lady until she inherited all this money from her parents and would live in a big house by herself (with probably her brother and Lori) and her doggies. But because she became a part of Fleetwood Mac and not only that, she became the face of Fleetwood Mac, she became arrogant. I've loved this woman since '77 so this is very hard for me to say but what I've seen over the years is that she changed from a rock 'n roll hippie into a rock 'n roll diva. Back in the 70's, 80's early 90's, she was sweet, compassionate, humble, patient, a very warm personality. I've met her a few times during those era's and I had nothing but praise for her. That's why I can say this.
Another thing she forgets is Lindsey's magic on her songs. There's nobody on this earth who can and will understand her songs as well as he does. Even Christine said about Dreams:"It's just 3 bloody chords" to which Lindsey replied:"Yeah, but they're the right chords". He worked his magic and boom, they had a number one hit.

All 'n all, I just think she was fed up with him. "How dare he ask for a delay when he just toured with Christine and wrote all those beautiful songs with her". What's not important in her mind is that she delayed and delayed and delayed. And Mick went with the money as he usually does.

As far as the true fans are concerned... I guess we're just an after thought.

[NotonRodeo]

Originally Posted by The Catdancer

As far as the true fans are concerned... I guess we're just an after thought.

We have been an afterthought for decades, and it's frankly our fault as fans, since we put up with their juvenile delinquencies. All those people yelling at FM on FB? I am willing to bet when the tour comes around they will all buy the overpriced tickets anyway. Heck, the attention may even make radio play more of their songs, so the icon can go "ching-ching" or something and make some improvements to her house with her royalty check.

I have not seen the number of their "likes" on the FM page on FB diminish these past few days.

[The Catdancer]

Originally Posted by NotonRodeo

We have been an afterthought for decades, and it's frankly our fault as fans, since we put up with their juvenile delinquencies. All those people yelling at FM on FB? I am willing to bet when the tour comes around they will all buy the overpriced tickets anyway. Heck, the attention may even make radio play more of their songs, so the icon can go "ching-ching" or something and make some improvements to her house with her royalty check.

I have not seen the number of their "likes" on the FM page on FB diminish these past few days.

Well, it's anyone's right to change their mind and to to a show. The dust is settling and people might want to see them one last time.
For me this band is over. I'll go and see Lindsey.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by The Catdancer

Second there's the abuse. There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that Lindsey physically abused her. I'm a victim of domestic violence myself and I know the signs, I know the looks. It's scary. And very stressful to work with someone who has abused you in the past. An example of the fear: I hadn't talked to/seen my ex in 15 years and all of a sudden there's a message from him on Facebook. It's been 15 years, I'm in the USA, he's in Europe. I have nothing to fear, he's a million miles away. That's not how it works. I was scared to death. I had to rationalize my thoughts.
I've seen footage of a concert in 1979 where Lindsey grabs Stevie during Angel and she was scared. You could see it in her eyes. She was scared to death. I wish I knew of a way to post it here. However, having said that, she also said, years later, that when she saw him with his kids she made a huge mistake letting him go...

+1000. They may have each sought treatment for their issues but they've never been treated for the issues between them. PTSD and other issues can pop back up after years of being dormant. I am not saying that this is the case but I do know that at the age of 70 I would not be trilled to have to work with an ex for months on end. Somewhere between Classic East and Musicares is where things really started to go off the rails. The reviews said he played and uninspired set at Classic East and he acted like a bit of an as$ solo on the red carpet at Musicares. There are photos and video. You can see it more in the video. I will find it later and post.

[The Catdancer]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

+1000. They may have each sought treatment for their issues but they've never been treated for the issues between them. PTSD and other issues can pop back up after years of being dormant. I am not saying that this is the case but I do know that at the age of 70 I would not be trilled to have to work with an ex for months on end. Somewhere between Classic East and Musicares is where things really started to go off the rails. The reviews said he played and uninspired set at Classic East and he acted like a bit of an as$ solo on the red carpet at Musicares. There are photos and video. You can see it more in the video. I will find it later and post.

I don't know about PTSD issues, I have no idea if she has it. It was just my point of view.

I know he was mad at MusiCares. What I've heard was that there was a fight between Stevie & Lindsey because he yelled at Karen (I don't know what she did, if anything) and Stevie exploded about that.
Also ~ during the first day of rehearsal he supposedly said that she couldn't sing anymore and her voice sounded like sh!t. That's when she was like:"That's it".
I heard it from a good friend who heard it from a band assistant so...

[button-lip]

Originally Posted by The Catdancer

I don't know about PTSD issues, I have no idea if she has it. It was just my point of view.

I know he was mad at MusiCares. What I've heard was that there was a fight between Stevie & Lindsey because he yelled at Karen (I don't know what she did, if anything) and Stevie exploded about that.
Also ~ during the first day of rehearsal he supposedly said that she couldn't sing anymore and her voice sounded like sh!t. That's when she was like:"That's it".
I heard it from a good friend who heard it from a band assistant so...

Really?! I didn't know that part of the story. Still, no reason to fire him.

[BombaySapphire3]

I am primarily a Stevie fan although I have been around since the Rumours era so was a Fleetwood Mac fan first and I also have Lindsey's solo albums.I stand with Lindsey on this one. If he and La Nicks were in the same room on their death beds they would each be fighting to stay alive so they could get the last word in .This is the way it has been for decades .To fire him now in the twilight of Fleetwood Mac over something so silly is just tacky.

[elle]

Originally Posted by button-lip

Really?! I didn't know that part of the story. Still, no reason to fire him.

It’s bs going around the same as “he was not fired he left” kept going around the whole week. That same story further goes that this happened in March. They cut him off at the beginning of February.

The amount of trolling in this thread, and throwing bs against the wall to confuse everyone and see if something sticks is toxic and ridiculous.

[Angel75]

Originally Posted by The Catdancer

I know he was mad at MusiCares. What I've heard was that there was a fight between Stevie & Lindsey because he yelled at Karen (I don't know what she did, if anything) and Stevie exploded about that.
Also ~ during the first day of rehearsal he supposedly said that she couldn't sing anymore and her voice sounded like sh!t. That's when she was like:"That's it".
I heard it from a good friend who heard it from a band assistant so...

I can see SN explosively reacting to LB being rude to Karen. LB also making cutting remarks about her voice too is just asking for trouble, when his has deteriorated also. But definitely not reason to FIRE someone.

These petty type of incidences I have no doubt would have SN running to Mick saying 'him or me?'

SN should know better and rise above it, LB shouldn't goad and pick fights.....all so very childish

[The Catdancer]

Originally Posted by Angel75

I can see SN explosively reacting to LB being rude to Karen. LB also making cutting remarks about her voice too is just asking for trouble, when his has deteriorated also. But definitely not reason to FIRE someone.

These petty type of incidences I have no doubt would have SN running to Mick saying 'him or me?'

SN should know better and rise above it, LB shouldn't goad and pick fights.....all so very childish

As I said, I heard that via someone else, I do not know the source. I just thought I'd share because in the past my friend's info was always legit. Seems she's wrong about this.
I'm sorry for spreading fake news...

[button-lip]

Originally Posted by Angel75

I can see SN explosively reacting to LB being rude to Karen. LB also making cutting remarks about her voice too is just asking for trouble, when his has deteriorated also. But definitely not reason to FIRE someone.

These petty type of incidences I have no doubt would have SN running to Mick saying 'him or me?'

SN should know better and rise above it, LB shouldn't goad and pick fights.....all so very childish

That's all Lindsey's fault. It's unbelievable after 53 years of knowing each other Lindsey still doesn't her game.

[elle]

Originally Posted by The Catdancer

So here's my take on this whole mess. And you might not be interested because I haven't been here in years but here goes. I think it's a combination of things. This didn't just come out of the blue and like someone said:"They didn't wake up one day and said:"Oh, let's make Lindsey's life hell".

First there's the matter of jealousy. I think Miss Nicks couldn't stand it that they made a record without her despite the fact that she said in the press that she wished them all the best. If she did, than why wasn't it called a Fleetwood Mac album? Because that's what it was, it had 4 members on it. But for whatever reason, it wasn't called Fleetwood Mac. So they called it Buckingham McVie. That's a slap in her face, it refers back to Buckingham Nicks.
Lindsey & Christine worked together which was pretty successful. Go back to the old days when Lindsey & Stevie first joined the band and Lindsey wrote World Turning with Christine. She was extremely jealous. I remember reading back then that she said:"He can write a song with her but not with me". That got her pissed off (although they did write Frozen Love together but I don't know the circumstances of that process). Not only that, Buckingham McVie had a pretty successful tour, they got good reviews.

Second there's the abuse. There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that Lindsey physically abused her. I'm a victim of domestic violence myself and I know the signs, I know the looks. It's scary. And very stressful to work with someone who has abused you in the past. An example of the fear: I hadn't talked to/seen my ex in 15 years and all of a sudden there's a message from him on Facebook. It's been 15 years, I'm in the USA, he's in Europe. I have nothing to fear, he's a million miles away. That's not how it works. I was scared to death. I had to rationalize my thoughts.
I've seen footage of a concert in 1979 where Lindsey grabs Stevie during Angel and she was scared. You could see it in her eyes. She was scared to death. I wish I knew of a way to post it here. However, having said that, she also said, years later, that when she saw him with his kids she made a huge mistake letting him go...

Third there is the power. He has softened through the years, has grown, is not abusive anymore but still pushes her buttons but finally she can say:"It's him or me". She has nothing left to lose by saying that. Her solo career is very successful. Even if Fleetwood Mac would have said:"Well Stevie, we rather have him", there's no loss. She'd just go on her merry solo way and be just as successful as he has ever been. Add Mike Campbell to her band and make another 24kg.

There's one thing that she forgets though: if it weren't for Lindsey she would never have been a part of Fleetwood Mac. She'd been a waitress, a cleaning lady until she inherited all this money from her parents and would live in a big house by herself (with probably her brother and Lori) and her doggies. But because she became a part of Fleetwood Mac and not only that, she became the face of Fleetwood Mac, she became arrogant. I've loved this woman since '77 so this is very hard for me to say but what I've seen over the years is that she changed from a rock 'n roll hippie into a rock 'n roll diva. Back in the 70's, 80's early 90's, she was sweet, compassionate, humble, patient, a very warm personality. I've met her a few times during those era's and I had nothing but praise for her. That's why I can say this.
Another thing she forgets is Lindsey's magic on her songs. There's nobody on this earth who can and will understand her songs as well as he does. Even Christine said about Dreams:"It's just 3 bloody chords" to which Lindsey replied:"Yeah, but they're the right chords". He worked his magic and boom, they had a number one hit.

All 'n all, I just think she was fed up with him. "How dare he ask for a delay when he just toured with Christine and wrote all those beautiful songs with her". What's not important in her mind is that she delayed and delayed and delayed. And Mick went with the money as he usually does.

As far as the true fans are concerned... I guess we're just an after thought.

this is so perfectly said, Debbie. thank you!

[The Catdancer]

Originally Posted by elle

this is so perfectly said, Debbie. thank you!

You're welcome, Elle Just my point of view