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Mitzo, I saw TOSOTM tour at 5 ampatheaters and the Gold Dust tour at Universal Ampatheater and a casino in Palm Springs. She wasn't regulated to fair or casino circuits. Check the tour dates. She did extra shows at smaller venues. Big difference
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People get their feelings hurt and bring their personal preferences into who should get into the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame. I never owned any Benatar music until about 20 years ago, I bought a "best of" CD. In the early/mid 80s, I despised her. I felt her success prevented Stevie from getting recognized at music award shows. As a teen, I had a shrine to Fleetwood Mac and Stevie on my bedroom wall. I would take clippings from Hit Parade magazine that claimed Pat "The Queen of Rock" and post those words over a Stevie Nicks photo. She ruled the female rock/pop charts for half a decade. She is someone who I would think would have gotten in within the first year or two. There should be a standard to get in. Just because someone is your personal favorite is not enough. They should have to be a trailblazer, successful in touring or music, and even a crossover of different kinds of music. Benatar is every one of those things. Benatar has 4 Grammys for best female rock performance. Over her career, she was nominated 8 times, winning half the time. Its true that Pat does not have the loyal fan base as Stevie or other artists. But that has no bearing on her achievements. I remember when I lived in West Palm Beach in 1998. Stevie was touring with Enchanted and still in the limelight of The Dance. After dismal showings at Street Angel, Stevie was once again filling arenas and concert halls. Pat was touring too and she was announced at some local club. I was shocked. The show got cancelled too. I was not attending the concert but was so surprised she would play such a small venue.
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Never been to one little girl. I see you’re one of those butthurt LB fans. Stay mad. lol
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I saw her there that year, too. I remember reading an article about how/why bigger name acts had been playing state fairs, and it specifically mentioned Stevie Nicks playing at the Ohio State fair. It said that she was paid a huge amount, and one of the reasons she did it was because it was a guaranteed fee, rather than based on attendance, so she would have been paid the same whether there were 2,000 people there or 10,000 people there. The Celeste Center holds just over 10,000, and her concert was a sellout. For that same tour, I think she also played in Ohio at Cincinnati Riverbend amphitheater. I think the Ohio State fair was the only fair she played in, at least that year.
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Bob Dylan and Tom Petty did the California State Fair in 1986 when they were in the midst of touring huge venues.
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Wow, you must have been really young There was a leg of that tour that was never officially announced but was on the edge of being announced. New small theater in West Palm Beach was going to be played 2 nights. It was in the paper and on the radio. But after the first leg, Stevie got depressed. The album was not selling, attendance was not great, and people were fat shaming her. I was very disappointed I did not get to see her on that tour.
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Pat went off the radar for a while having a family and all that. She doesn't seem to have the singular or narcissistic drive that Stevie does. Pat seems to pander to her husband's ego by giving him co-billing and that sort of thing, and that has probably hurt her career too. So there's a hella lot more that goes into success than just talent. One of Stevie's talents has been keeping herself in the news. Important.
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I read a review in one of the local Columbus papers at the time, I think the Guardian, and the critic did nothing but fat shame her. It was not cool, I mean he acknowledged she sounded good and put on a good show, but called her names like 'thunder thighs.' The concert was a sellout, but one of the few sellouts that tour, as you said, neither the album or tour performed to expectations. I 100% agree that if the Dance hadn't happened, Stevie's solo career never would have resurged like it did. As far as her performance, she did sound really good and her backdrop was pretty cool, too- it looked like they were in an oversized Alice in Wonderland environment. Darden Smith opened for her and the audience was nasty to him, which made me feel badly for him. I don't think the ticket said anything about there being an opening act, so when somebody on stage came out and said something like "Are you ready to see Stevie Nicks?" to roaring applause, he added "Well first, how about a warm welcome to Darden Smith!" And some people literally started booing. At one point he even said "booing me off the stage won't make her come on any earlier." He had one hit, though: Loving Arms. Really good song. |
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The Columbus Dispatch gave her great reviews and they rarely gave out good reviews.But they said she put on a tight rock show and she did. It was the best vocals I heard her do. She was really trying. When she introduced Maybe Love she called it a small song. |
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I was pleased she sang Talk to Me, Rooms on Fire, and Has Anyone Ever Written. I was also pleased that she only sang Maybe Love, Blue Denim, and Destiny from Street Angel, as those were some of only a handful of songs from that album I liked. Jondalar, do you remember Darden Smith, the opening act? If you do, I was curious what you thought of him. |
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I saw the SA tour 3 times. Once at Irvine Meadow's Ampatheater, and twice at the Greek Theater. All 3 packed. I'm 51 now, so I was 27.
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Pat did slow down when she had kids but her work ethic was insane. From 1979 to 1985 she released a full studio album EVERY year and toured. Pat also had to deal with things that Stevie never did. Because Pat was a solo artist, good looking, and trained in Opera, no one took her serious. Stevie had lots of help.
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I also think you're taking the comment that Stevie worked harder than Pat too literally. Pat has never said seemed to strive for stardom, but Stevie totally has. That quest for stardom is definitely something Stevie has worked harder for than Pat And yes, Stevie totally had an advantage over Pat by being in Fleetwood Mac. Stevie has a high powered manager, too. Just my 2 cents. |
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