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The one older demo that comes to mind which could be brought into the 21st century is If You Were My Love. Still, after the way some of her other old demos turned out after their 21st century transformations, I'm not sure I even wish for that. Quote:
However, that doesn't mean I think just any old Joe can step up to the plate & fill their shoes. While I truly adore what Dave Stewart did with Stevie for In Your Dreams, I hold firm to my belief that he would do no favors for Fleetwood Mac. Bottom line, I just think Dave imparts a sound that is way too slick. Yes, I've listened to a coterie of the albums Dave has been involved with, and I still stand by that opinion. Dave's high polish on Stevie's songs adjacent to the songs Lindsey produced for himself and Christine just would sound lopsided. If they're going to bring in an outside producer, at least get him or her on everyone's songs.
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Soldier's Angel" wasn't "slick" in production. Not at all! And that's the way Stevie wanted it - brutal and ragged. Also, I don't buy your argument, at all, about Dave's imput sounding lopsided against whomever is producing/co-producing Lindsey's or Chirstine's songs. Are you kidding me, Lindsey is the maestro of "slick" production. There just are too many examples of that from back to the White album all the way to the effervescent sheen of "Tango!" Hell, even SYW!! Give me a break. Last edited by Christopher; 04-21-2014 at 10:16 PM.. |
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I'm just glad they are working on new music. And super glad Stevie and Christine are working together. It is a band after all. Wasn't Waddy on Blue Letter?
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No ones said anything about Waddy yet so I guess I get to be first...
I would love to see what Lindsey and Waddy sound like playing and working together...Now before everyone freaks out I don't expect Waddy to be featured on any songs but I think he could provide a nice added texture here and there... Last edited by BlueDenimLamp; 04-21-2014 at 08:10 PM.. |
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I am also in the camp that The Dealer needs to be recorded. Why that was left off Bella Donna is beyond me. I think either FM or solo could be killer. I also believe most of her old demos still translate even if people seem attached to its original form. Secret Love, Planets of The Universe, Sorcerer, Moonlight, etc are all fantastic in their current and old forms.
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I know many bands besides FM do this, but I've always thought that a band member serving as producer is inherently fraught with difficulties. A band hires a producer to help them create the album they want. Dave Stewart, working as Stevie's employee, helped her achieve the sound and vision she had for the songs on IYD. Giving those duties to a band member almost strikes me as a conflict of interest. As a producer, Lindsey should help Stevie shape her songs in a way that she likes. But since he is a member of the band, he also has a vested interest in how those songs sound. So what happens when they disagree? It's really no wonder there is often tension.
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I think it's best that Lindsey stays out of Stevie's songs. If they are done in concert, then he can play on them in concert just as he does (and it's limited at that) on Stand Back. Calumny, indeed. I just don't want to be bothered with it. I don't want to read about it in interviews. I don't want his name on her songs as a musician or producer. I guess he can sing on them, if someone wants him to, but it really shouldn't be a concern. That was fine when it lasted, but we're 10 years away from SYW and 10 years from now some of them will be octogenerians or dead. I don't want a whole lot of accusations about this album to still be flying around in 2024.
We're only talking about 3-4 songs anyway. Maybe the album won't sound coherent, but if 2/3 of it does, who cares about the rest? I don't. At this point I've given up on having another full Mac album. Even if we only get 8 "Fleetwood Mac" songs, that's better than having none. I just want her to do whatever she is doing in her corner of the world and have fun over there. I think when we began to dream of Christine returning, many of us always envisioned this album as Tango, not Rumours. Tango, with Christine and Lindsey and then Stevie, separate. I was perfectly happy with Tango and the work Christine and Lindsey did together. For Stevie, hopefully together she and Dave can come up with something somewhat better that WTTRS. I hope they do this and get an album out in 2015 for the second leg of the tour. Michele |
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I acknowledge the various viewpoints pertaining to Dave Stewart's involvement in a Fleetwood Mac recording, but believe some people are underestimating his abilities as a musician and producer. Dave's commercial/pop sensibilities have been consistently referenced within this thread, but he is capable of veering to the left on occasion, particularly in a live context.
If Lindsey embraces Dave's input and is willing to consider co-producing the album (or certain tracks) alongside him, it is possible the results could recall the classic band sound of the 1970's. (I would imagine just about anything would be considered more cutting-edge than the Mitchell Froom production on Extended Play.) As has already been stated, some of Dave's production work on Stevie’s In Your Dreams album was reminiscent of the FM sound and this didn't go unnoticed by critics at the time of it's release in 2011. "Annabel Lee" and "Moonlight" could definitely have sat comfortably on a Mac album and even the likes of "Secret Love" wouldn't have been out of place. In fact, "Secret Love" is a fine example of Dave conjuring something out of nothing - a very average song made to sparkle. My primary concern at this stage is whether Stevie can deliver in terms of stellar songwriting and nuanced vocals (as opposed to monotone belting). Trotters crossed... |
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I think it's pretty apparent that Stevie does not want to work with Lindsey as producer. I think they are getting her basic tracks down with Waddy and others. I'm sure Lindsey will add stuff later, but she doesn't want him around during the formative process.. It would be in her best interest to at least have him add harmonies and some guitar work later. If she doesn't she's going to look like quite the diva. Sorry but my opinion of her will go way down if she doesn't. I'm guessing Christine is putting down her stuff now.
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Without question, this incarnation of Fleetwood Mac has always been a delicate, fragile, balancing act, and what is occuring now should not be startling to anyone who has been paying close attention since SYW. With Stevie, I believe it comes down to a trust issue. She no longer appears to have any faith & trust to leave her songs soley in Lindsey's hands. She's earned that. And arguably, it could be debated that Lindsey hasn't worked his brand of brilliance on her songs since "Gypsy." And that his so-called studio "wizardry" has grown tiresome. Sometimes a band needs a new outside producer to get out of its own way, out of the same zone. To grow. Linsdey looks at times to be stuck on his island. So if Stevie is indeed planning on polishing up her songs/demos to the point of finalization (with Dave, Waddy & Christine) - then have Lindsey layer "some" guitar & backing vocals to her tracks, it would be just like he did to her on his (GOS) solo tracks that became SYW songs. We could be witnessing a full circle moment. |
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