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Time
This album and line up is one of the most perplexed combinations. I know some fans really liked this, while most others seemed to loathe it. I like the album with the artists that recorded it....but I have a hard time accepting it as an FM album.
The reason for the post and my theory in regards to it "not" being a FM album opposed to BTM being one, is: (If you own a copy) Check out the liner notes and the additional players listed. After each CM song, Michael Thompson – guitars on tracks 2, 5, 8, 10 & 12 is listed. And on some of the others tracks 3, 4 & 9, Steve Thoma – keyboards is listed. Chris wasn't even present when they did the photo shoot, she is only pictured with Mick and John, not at all in a full group shot. I think I read somewhere that Chris didn't care for the idea of Dave Mason joining/recording with the band. Whether there is any truth to that, I have no idea, but I am very curious as to why and the circumstances surrounding why Chris was not present for the other band members' recordings. It's almost as if CM recorded her vocals/keys and guitar and sent in the recordings to the band. Which, I believe isn't far from the truth. Now the same could be said about SN during TITN recording, and I would also have to agree with that. Any thoughts or knowledge about the recording of Time? Not many on here like to discuss, listen, or even acknowledge that Time existed. But, I actually like the album. I'd like some expert opinions from ChiliD, SteveMac, or any one else that would like to chime in. Thx. |
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Time, as it was released, was pretty much a "compromise" album. WB had rejected the original album that was submitted with the title Another Link In The Chain due to Christine's complete absence from the album. It was all Bekka, Billy & Dave's compositions. Christine's songs were hurredly recorded & assembled in order to comply with WB's demands that (supposedly) she was contractually obligated to appear on Fleetwood Mac albums. I'm sure that the lingering mutual dislike between Christine & Dave Mason DID have something to do with his not appearing on her songs, but it also might be that he wasn't available to do those sessions due to other obligations. Plus, since Bekka, Billy & Dave's material that was included was already completed, so there was really no need to go back and re-record those tunes with Christine...that would've been a waste of time & money.
There were promotional photos released with both Christine & Dave together with Mick, John, Bekka & Billy. So, they co-existed for at least as long as the photo session took. I think those might even have been taken after the artwork for the CD booklet was already completed. I think whoever tracked the songs did a horrid job, basically magnifying the disjointed feel of the album. Thanks to the capability of reprogramming the running order of a CD (and now with iTunes playlists), a more flowing tracking CAN be obtained. Once again, here's what I came up with: I DO TALKIN' TO MY HEART I WONDER WHY WINDS OF CHANGE SOONER OR LATER DREAMING THE DREAM NIGHTS IN ESTORIL NOTHING WITHOUT YOU I GOT IT IN FOR YOU HOLLYWOOD (SOME OTHER KIND OF TOWN) BLOW BY BLOW THESE STRANGE TIMES ALL OVER AGAIN
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Talkin’ To My Heart: Mick, John, Bekka, Billy, Dave, and Christine Hollywood: Mick, John, Christine, Thompson Blow By Blow: Mick, John, Bekka, Billy, Dave, and Thoma Winds Of Change: Mick, John, Bekka, Billy, Dave, and Christine I Do: Mick, John, Bekka, Billy, Dave, Christine, and Thompson (note Tompson is listed as "additional guitar") Nothing Without You: Mick, John, Bekka, Billy, Dave, Christine, and Lindsey Dreamin’ The Dream: Bekka, Billy, and Christine (maybe Dave?) Sooner Or Later: Mick, John, Christine, Thompson, Tackett I Wonder Why: Mick, John, Bekka, Billy, Dave, Christine, and Thoma Nights In Estoril: Mick, John, Christine, Thompson I Got It In For You: Mick, John, Bekka, Billy, Dave, and Christine All Over Again: Mick, John, Christine, Thompson These Strange Times: Mick, John, Bekka, Lucy, Jones So, I think all of the Bekka and Billy stuff is just the actual members of the band. Quote:
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Thx for the hard work and research you two put into these posts...very interesting. And of course it clears up some of the confussion.
Thx for the great pic's posted by SteveMacD, Chris and Bekka look gorgeous and Chris (although smiling) leaning forward in an apprehensive way confirms (possibly) Chris' discomfort with this line-up. As you proved me wrong Steve, I was only speculating Chris was absent b/c I have never seen these photos, I was not posting it as a FACT. thx again for posting |
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I was just kidding around. But, I do find it odd that they didn't use this picture anywhere on the cover.
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Time isn't a bad album.
Stevie and Lindsey were gone and Christine was just there to provide five songs to the album. Billy didn't really get much attention during his Mac tenure, getting lost in the mix (if you will) essentially making him a "new" member along with Bekka and Dave. Of course Mick and John were there so yes it was still Fleetwood Mac, but they aren't singer/songwriters and the faces of the band like Christine, Stevie, and Lindsey and as Peter and Bob Welch were during their tenures. |
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Can I revive this thread? I'm listening to Time just now, and I really think this album (and forum, actually) need a bit more love. This isn't my favourite Mac album, but it's one of the few without a track that I dislike. I've really enjoyed reading some of your takes on it, as it's not an album that is often discussed.
I'm sorry to say, though, that I can't get into Bekka much as a lead singer. I think she's a gifted songwriter and I really enjoy her work in that regard, but her voice just doesn't pull me in, somehow. I keep imagining her songs being covered by some great country singer, and how mind-blowingly awesome that'd be. I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to be imagining what an awesome cover Singer X would do when you're listening to the original version of a song, though. Sorry Bekka! Quote:
ETA: Also, can I gush over the cover? It might just be me, but I find something beautifully simple and clever about it. Could've become iconic if the music within had been better received. Last edited by Dex; 05-11-2013 at 07:00 AM.. |
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The album does have one of my fave songs by Christine: 'Sooner Or Later'.
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"Talkin' To My Heart" is one of the Mac's best ever. (So was "Inuition" ...)
They could've been great, but they chose the chicken sh*t (don't ban me, bro -at least this time) way out.
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I actually quite like the SYW-lineup of the band, but it is always interesting to imagine what might/could have been, if the band had just been more comfortable completely rebooting itself at that point. |
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But no single was released, was it? At the Wikipedia page of this album, there is no single mentioned. Don't know how reliable are its sources. And if any song was intende to be a single, I guess the record company would have selected a Christine song, don't you think?
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By the time it was released, Christine was out and Mick was working with Lindsey. The record company would likely rather have paid a large advance on a Lindsey-Mick record than on promoting a new Fleetwood Mac album knowing Christine McVie was no longer in the band. What always kills me is how people talk about how it was such a huge failure (and it was), but fail to mention that Stevie and Lindsey also hit the skids in album sales around that time, and they promoted and toured behind their albums. The "Time" band was basically done by the time the album was released.
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The promo single is on Ebay with spooky Dennis Wilson rose garden-like cover!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FLEETWOOD-MA...item3ca43fdaab |
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I've never found a promo single for any of the other 'Time' tracks, but I'd love to find one if it's out there. |
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There was an interesting posting on Richards blog concerning Time:
Anonymous poster: Hello Richard, what was it like working on the "Time" album during a period of such a big change within the band? Richard Dashut: I hated it. Remember having big problems with a stubborn Dave Mason, who wouldn’t take any production advice. Ended up quitting early on that one I was so frustrated. Felt like a big let down after five quality albums and with no Stevie and Lindsey, I had no real spiritual connection to the project. I probably agreed to do it in the first place just for the money, my bad. I can see that come through on the album. Dave's songs (which aren't the strongest anyway) could perhaps have come across better with different/better production. I suppose that's what you get when you have people that have 'been around the block a few times'- set in their ways and unwilling to take direction from others. |
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