Best McCain ad yet

ajmccarrell · #1 08-01-2008, 04:42 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nVQaHpOnO8

I love it!

strandinthewind · #2 08-01-2008, 04:45 PM

Is this for real?

If so, McCain is sunk as this ad reeks of desparation.

BombaySapphire3 · #3 08-01-2008, 05:16 PM

hmm could be that gramps is losing his bearings again!

Musicman408 · #4 08-01-2008, 05:21 PM

You've got to be kidding me. This can't be serious, can it?

ajmccarrell · #5 08-01-2008, 05:25 PM

I think it's pretty funny and points out the lunacy of some of the people like Will.I.Am that chant his name, or Scarlett Johanssen that chant his speeches. How about that column in the LA Times that described when the writer (Olsen) "came to HIM", meaning Obama. There's also the groups that have started up how they describe how Obama has changed their lives. I mean, the guy has a Messiah complex and some of the people that follow him as a messianic figure are deluded and this shows that Obama is deliberately feeding into it. How about the fainting at every speech he gave for a while, until it was pointed out that the fainting happened every time and he said the same thing? The guy is a sideshow! I just think that a lot of people are so sick of Bush that they'll believe anything, including a snake oil salesmen like this guy.
Here's an article that describes a lot of the weirdness and Obama as a cult leader. http://townhall.com/Columnists/Micha...as_cult_leader

strandinthewind · #6 08-01-2008, 05:30 PM

^^^

Then ehy not say this is what I want to do to help America. This is what my opponent wants to do. This is why I believe I am right and he is wrong. Then, soeak the truth.

Sadly, McCain is doing none of that. Again, it smacks of desparation because if the McCain camp had anything substantive to attack Obama with, they'd be doing it instead of pushing these ridiculous attacks, the former of which was flat out untrue.

Do you actually support this tactic?

ajmccarrell · #7 08-01-2008, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

^^^

Then ehy not say this is what I want to do to help America. This is what my opponent wants to do. This is why I believe I am right and he is wrong. Then, soeak the truth.

Sadly, McCain is doing none of that. Again, it smacks of desparation because if the McCain camp had anything substantive to attack Obama with, they'd be doing it instead of pushing these ridiculous attacks, the former of which was flat out untrue.

Do you actually support this tactic?

McCain has made his positions clear as to what he wants to do. Did you miss the press coverage of the release of his economic plan two weeks ago? Probably because the press barely covered it. They've been too busy covering the bowel movements of The Obamessiah. McCain also challenged to debate Obama at ten townhall debates, which Obama rescinded after accepting, as he found out there would be no teleprompter. McCain also repeatedly challenged Obama to talk to the leaders in the middle east before he formed policy, which Obama eventually did after it made him look bad and repeated ads from troops that he refused to see. You'd see more substance if Obama would talk about it, but he does the same thing. He accused McCain of racism just yesterday and back in June. He has his surrogates attack McCain, like Wesley Clark, then disavows what they said, as if they had changed and Obama didn't know. Obama has been playing dirty for a while and I thought he was going to bury McCain in negativity because he's too nice to hit back, like when he wouldn't attack Romney. Yes, I do support this tactic and I'm damn glad McCain grew a set.

strandinthewind · #8 08-01-2008, 06:08 PM

Obama's response:

Obama campaign spokesman Hari Sevugan dismissed the ad as a juvenile stunt.

"It's downright sad that on a day when we learned that 51,000 Americans lost their jobs, a candidate for the presidency is spending all of his time and the powerful platform he has on these sorts of juvenile antics," he said in a statement. "Senator McCain can keep telling everyone how 'proud' he is of these political stunts which even his Republican friends and advisors have called'childish', but Barack Obama will continue talking about his plan to jumpstart our economy by giving working families $1,000 of immediate relief."

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Somewhat smart to try to shift the focus. But, the focus will remain on this for awhile. Obama must find a way to counter that.

Imagine if Obama ran an ad with skin cancer patients dying of chemo, horrible images of radical skin cancer disfiguting people, families at funerals, etc. -- and then placing this text on the screen - "Sen. McCain has this disease in his veins and it's only a matter of time for the 71 year old man." "Does he have the medical time to lead this country?" Clearly McCain's skin cancer is a legitimate campaign issue. I think, though, that the McCain campaign would be horrified by such an ad. Yet, they run the same kind of tripe.

strandinthewind · #9 08-01-2008, 06:17 PM

Of course, McCain learned from the best

Bush Waged Nasty Smear Campaign Against McCain in 2000

Bush Supporters Called McCain “The Fag Candidate.” In South Carolina, Bush supporters circulated church fliers that labeled McCain “the fag candidate.” Columnist Frank Rich noted that the fliers were distributed “even as Bush subtly reinforced that message by indicating he wouldn’t hire openly gay people for his administration.”

McCain Slurs Included Illegitimate Children, Homosexuality And A Drug-Addict Wife.

Among the rumors circulated against McCain in 2000 in South Carolina was that his adopted Bangladeshi daughter was actually black, that McCain was both gay and cheated on his wife, and that his wife Cindy was a drug addict.”

Bush Campaign Used Code Words to Question McCain’s Temper.

“A smear campaign of the ugliest sort is now coursing through the contest for the presidency in 2000. Using the code word "temper," a group of Senate Republicans, and at least some outriders of the George W. Bush campaign, are spreading the word that John McCain is unstable. The subtext, also suggested in this whispering campaign, is that he returned from 5 1/2 years as a POW in North Vietnam with a loose screw. And it is bruited about that he shouldn't be entrusted with nuclear weapons.”

Bush Supporters Questioned McCain’s Sanity.

“Some of George W. Bush's supporters have questioned Republican presidential candidate John McCain's fitness for the White House, suggesting that his five years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam drove him insane at the time.”

Bush Supporters Spread Racist Rumors About McCain’s Daughter.

Bush supporters in South Carolina made race-baiting phone calls saying that McCain had a “black child.” The McCains’ daughter, Bridget, was adopted from Mother Teresa’s orphanage in Bangladesh. In August 2000, columnist Maureen Dowd wrote that the McCains “are still seething about Bush supporters in South Carolina spreading word of their dark-skinned adopted daughter.”

Rove Suggests Former POW McCain Committed Treason and Fathered Child With Black Prostitute.

In 2000, McCain operatives in SC accused Rove of spreading rumors against McCain, such as “suggestions that McCain had committed treason while a prisoner of war, and had fathered a child by a black prostitute,” according to the New Yorker.

After Rove Denied Role In McCain Whisper Campaign, Reporters Concluded He Was Behind It.

A December 1999 Dallas Morning News linked Rove to a series of campaign dirty tricks, including his College Republican efforts, allegedly starting a whisper campaign about Ann Richard being too gay-friendly, spreading stories about Jim Hightower’s involvement in a kickback scheme and leaking the educational history of Lena Guerrero. The article also outlined current dirty tricks and whisper campaigns against McCain in South Carolina, including that “McCain may be unstable as a result of being tortured while a prisoner of war in North Vietnam.” (DMN, 12/2/99) After the article was published, Rove blasted Slater in the Manchester, NH airport, “nose to nose” according to one witness, with Rove claiming Slater had “harmed his reputation,” Slater later noted. But according to one witness, “What was interesting then is that everyone on the campaign charter concluded that Rove was responsible for rumors about McCain.”

Rove Was In Close Touch With McConnell, McCain-Feingold’s Chief Opponent.

Senior White House adviser Karl Rove was in close contact with Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY) during McConnell’s effort to fight the McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Bill in the U.S. Senate. According to Newsweek, though Rove and Bush have publicly kept their distance from McConnell on the issue, “sources tell Newsweek that Rove is, in fact, in close touch with McConnell as GOP experts study the bill for hidden land mines.”

Bush Campaign Accused of Using Push Polls Against McCain.

College of Charleston student Suzette Latsko said she received a telephone call from a woman who identified herself as an employee of Voter/Consumer Research, and that the caller misrepresented McCain’s positions and asked if Latsko knew McCain had been reprimanded for interfering with federal regulators in the savings and loan scandal. Voter/Consumer Research is listed as a polling contractor on Bush’s Federal Election Commission filings; the Bush campaign has paid Voter/Consumer Research $93,000 through December 31, 1999. Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer denied the call was a push poll, but said it was important that the Republican Party remember McCain’s role in the S&L crisis.

Bush Campaign Acknowledged Making Phone Calls.

Tucker Eskew, Bush’s South Carolina spokesman, acknowledged the Bush campaign made such calls, but claimed they were not “push polls.” Eskew added, “Show me a baseless comment in those questions.”

Bush Used Fringe Veterans Group to Attack McCain as “Manchurian Candidate.”

“In the case of Ted Sampley, the same guy who did Bush's dirty work in going after Sen. John McCain in the 2000 Republican primaries is doing the job against Kerry this year. Sampley dared compare McCain, who spent five years as a Vietnam POW, with ‘the Manchurian Candidate.’”

Sampley Called McCain a “Coward” and a Traitor.

“Sampley… accused McCain of being a weak-minded coward who had escaped death by collaborating with the enemy. Sampley claimed that McCain had first been compromised by the Vietnamese, then recruited by the Soviets.”

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And all this a decorated POW. Then again, Bush was MIA for years during Vietnam and Cheney "had better things to do" than go to Vietnam. And they clearly devalue hinorable service as they did the same thing to Max Cleland and John Kerry. If I had been Kerry and W started the Swift Boat crap with me, I would have walked over to his podium during a debate and said "listen, at least I voluntered to go you fukcing pu$$y." Then again, they value human life and the brave American soldiers so much that they lied to get us into a war and refused to provide enough soldiers to win that war or enough money at home to take care of the wounded. They make me sick. Now, McCain is continuing the path.

ajmccarrell · #10 08-01-2008, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Of course, McCain learned from the best

Bush Waged Nasty Smear Campaign Against McCain in 2000

Bush Supporters Called McCain “The Fag Candidate.” In South Carolina, Bush supporters circulated church fliers that labeled McCain “the fag candidate.” Columnist Frank Rich noted that the fliers were distributed “even as Bush subtly reinforced that message by indicating he wouldn’t hire openly gay people for his administration.”

McCain Slurs Included Illegitimate Children, Homosexuality And A Drug-Addict Wife.

Among the rumors circulated against McCain in 2000 in South Carolina was that his adopted Bangladeshi daughter was actually black, that McCain was both gay and cheated on his wife, and that his wife Cindy was a drug addict.”

Bush Campaign Used Code Words to Question McCain’s Temper.

“A smear campaign of the ugliest sort is now coursing through the contest for the presidency in 2000. Using the code word "temper," a group of Senate Republicans, and at least some outriders of the George W. Bush campaign, are spreading the word that John McCain is unstable. The subtext, also suggested in this whispering campaign, is that he returned from 5 1/2 years as a POW in North Vietnam with a loose screw. And it is bruited about that he shouldn't be entrusted with nuclear weapons.”

Bush Supporters Questioned McCain’s Sanity.

“Some of George W. Bush's supporters have questioned Republican presidential candidate John McCain's fitness for the White House, suggesting that his five years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam drove him insane at the time.”

Bush Supporters Spread Racist Rumors About McCain’s Daughter.

Bush supporters in South Carolina made race-baiting phone calls saying that McCain had a “black child.” The McCains’ daughter, Bridget, was adopted from Mother Teresa’s orphanage in Bangladesh. In August 2000, columnist Maureen Dowd wrote that the McCains “are still seething about Bush supporters in South Carolina spreading word of their dark-skinned adopted daughter.”

Rove Suggests Former POW McCain Committed Treason and Fathered Child With Black Prostitute.

In 2000, McCain operatives in SC accused Rove of spreading rumors against McCain, such as “suggestions that McCain had committed treason while a prisoner of war, and had fathered a child by a black prostitute,” according to the New Yorker.

After Rove Denied Role In McCain Whisper Campaign, Reporters Concluded He Was Behind It.

A December 1999 Dallas Morning News linked Rove to a series of campaign dirty tricks, including his College Republican efforts, allegedly starting a whisper campaign about Ann Richard being too gay-friendly, spreading stories about Jim Hightower’s involvement in a kickback scheme and leaking the educational history of Lena Guerrero. The article also outlined current dirty tricks and whisper campaigns against McCain in South Carolina, including that “McCain may be unstable as a result of being tortured while a prisoner of war in North Vietnam.” (DMN, 12/2/99) After the article was published, Rove blasted Slater in the Manchester, NH airport, “nose to nose” according to one witness, with Rove claiming Slater had “harmed his reputation,” Slater later noted. But according to one witness, “What was interesting then is that everyone on the campaign charter concluded that Rove was responsible for rumors about McCain.”

Rove Was In Close Touch With McConnell, McCain-Feingold’s Chief Opponent.

Senior White House adviser Karl Rove was in close contact with Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY) during McConnell’s effort to fight the McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Bill in the U.S. Senate. According to Newsweek, though Rove and Bush have publicly kept their distance from McConnell on the issue, “sources tell Newsweek that Rove is, in fact, in close touch with McConnell as GOP experts study the bill for hidden land mines.”

Bush Campaign Accused of Using Push Polls Against McCain.

College of Charleston student Suzette Latsko said she received a telephone call from a woman who identified herself as an employee of Voter/Consumer Research, and that the caller misrepresented McCain’s positions and asked if Latsko knew McCain had been reprimanded for interfering with federal regulators in the savings and loan scandal. Voter/Consumer Research is listed as a polling contractor on Bush’s Federal Election Commission filings; the Bush campaign has paid Voter/Consumer Research $93,000 through December 31, 1999. Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer denied the call was a push poll, but said it was important that the Republican Party remember McCain’s role in the S&L crisis.

Bush Campaign Acknowledged Making Phone Calls.

Tucker Eskew, Bush’s South Carolina spokesman, acknowledged the Bush campaign made such calls, but claimed they were not “push polls.” Eskew added, “Show me a baseless comment in those questions.”

Bush Used Fringe Veterans Group to Attack McCain as “Manchurian Candidate.”

“In the case of Ted Sampley, the same guy who did Bush's dirty work in going after Sen. John McCain in the 2000 Republican primaries is doing the job against Kerry this year. Sampley dared compare McCain, who spent five years as a Vietnam POW, with ‘the Manchurian Candidate.’”

Sampley Called McCain a “Coward” and a Traitor.

“Sampley… accused McCain of being a weak-minded coward who had escaped death by collaborating with the enemy. Sampley claimed that McCain had first been compromised by the Vietnamese, then recruited by the Soviets.”

___________________________

And all this a decorated POW. Then again, Bush was MIA for years during Vietnam and Cheney "had better things to do" than go to Vietnam. And they clearly devalue hinorable service as they did the same thing to Max Cleland and John Kerry. If I had been Kerry and W started the Swift Boat crap with me, I would have walked over to his podium during a debate and said "listen, at least I voluntered to go you fukcing pu$$y." Then again, they value human life and the brave American soldiers so much that they lied to get us into a war and refused to provide enough soldiers to win that war or enough money at home to take care of the wounded. They make me sick. Now, McCain is continuing the path.

So glad you brought this up! It certainly counters the notion of "McBush" as you would like to portray. Thanks for doing my job for me!

I always had a problem with Bush for the way he went after McCain. It was sleazy.

strandinthewind · #11 08-01-2008, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ajmccarrell

So glad you brought this up! It certainly counters the notion of "McBush" as you would like to portray. Thanks for doing my job for me!

I always had a problem with Bush for the way he went after McCain. It was sleazy.

And equating Obama to a mentally unbalanced blond girl and convicted felon and porn star blond girl is

Not to mention the conclusions asserted in that ad a patently false, i.e. McCain lied in the ad. Same shiitte - different day

omigodstevie · #12 08-01-2008, 11:52 PM

I think McCain's just too senile these days to realize what a messed up ad that was.

strandinthewind · #13 08-01-2008, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajmccarrell

So glad you brought this up! It certainly counters the notion of "McBush" as you would like to portray. Thanks for doing my job for me!

I always had a problem with Bush for the way he went after McCain. It was sleazy.

Oh why not

Sure sounds like Bush to me --

Transcript:

QUESTION: Are there other signs you see that are encouraging to you...

MCCAIN: Oh yeah. A lot of the fundraisers from other camps are coming on board. And yeah we're seeing that coming together really well. We're seeing it.

[Inaudible]

MCCAIN: Who?

QUESTION: Karl Rove?

MCCAIN: Oh I, listen, he ah. Nobody denies he's one of the smartest political minds in America. I'd be glad to get his advice. I get advice from a lot of people. I'd be happy to have his advice.

QUESTION: I was wondering about that, right....

MCCAIN: He beat me. I certainly would be glad to get his advice. I don't think I'd want to revisit how he did it. And I mean that. Not about South Carolina. I mean I don't feel like reliving my defeat.

QUESTION: Are you worried about, he uses very aggressive tactics is that something that--

MCCAIN: I've always respected Karl Rove as one of the smart great political minds I think in American politics. I've always respected him. We never had any ill will after the initial South Carolina thing. After we had the meeting with President Bush we moved on. I've seen Karl Rove many times when I've been over at the White House. We've always had pleasant conversations.

QUESTION: His tactics don't, you don't disapprove of them? They don't make you nervous?

MCCAIN: It's not so much whether I approve of his tactics or not. It's that he has a very good, great political mind. Any information or advice and council he can give us, I'd be glad to have. I don't think anybody denies his talents. So I'd be glad to get any advice and council. We would obviously decide whether to accept it or not.

strandinthewind · #14 08-01-2008, 06:49 PM

And - since you brough up Krigman as a source - here he is proving that McCain's assertion that Obama's refusal to support drilling for oil is an outright lie.

(emphasis supplied)

August 1, 2008

Op-Ed Columnist

Can This Planet Be Saved?

By PAUL KRUGMAN

Recently the Web site The Politico asked Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House, why she was blocking attempts to tack offshore drilling amendments onto appropriations bills. “I’m trying to save the planet; I’m trying to save the planet,” she replied.

I’m glad to hear it. But I’m still worried about the planet’s prospects.

True, Ms. Pelosi’s remark was a happy reminder that environmental policy is no longer in the hands of crazy people. Remember, less than two years ago Senator James Inhofe — a conspiracy theorist who insists that global warming is a “gigantic hoax” perpetrated by the scientific community — was the chairman of the Senate’s Environment and Public Works Committee.

Beyond that, Ms. Pelosi’s response shows that she understands the deeper issues behind the current energy debate.

Most criticism of John McCain’s decision to follow the Bush administration’s lead and embrace offshore drilling as the answer to high gas prices has focused on the accusation that it’s junk economics — which it is.

A McCain campaign ad says that gas prices are high right now because “some in Washington are still saying no to drilling in America.” That’s just plain dishonest: the U.S. government’s own Energy Information Administration says that removing restrictions on offshore drilling wouldn’t lead to any additional domestic oil production until 2017, and that even at its peak the extra production would have an “insignificant” impact on oil prices.
What’s even more important than Mr. McCain’s bad economics, however, is what his reversal on this issue — he was against offshore drilling before he was for it — says about his priorities.

Back when he was cultivating a maverick image, Mr. McCain portrayed himself as more environmentally aware than the rest of his party. He even co-sponsored a bill calling for a cap-and-trade system to limit greenhouse gas emissions (although his remarks on several recent occasions suggest that he doesn’t understand his own proposal). But the lure of a bit of political gain, it turns out, was all it took to transform him back into a standard drill-and-burn Republican.

And the planet can’t afford that kind of cynicism.

In themselves, limits on offshore drilling are only a modest-sized issue. But the skirmish over drilling is the opening stage of a much bigger fight over environmental policy. What’s at stake in that fight, above all, is the question of whether we’ll take action against climate change before it’s utterly too late.

It’s true that scientists don’t know exactly how much world temperatures will rise if we persist with business as usual. But that uncertainty is actually what makes action so urgent. While there’s a chance that we’ll act against global warming only to find that the danger was overstated, there’s also a chance that we’ll fail to act only to find that the results of inaction were catastrophic. Which risk would you rather run?

Martin Weitzman, a Harvard economist who has been driving much of the recent high-level debate, offers some sobering numbers. Surveying a wide range of climate models, he argues that, over all, they suggest about a 5 percent chance that world temperatures will eventually rise by more than 10 degrees Celsius (that is, world temperatures will rise by 18 degrees Fahrenheit). As Mr. Weitzman points out, that’s enough to “effectively destroy planet Earth as we know it.” It’s sheer irresponsibility not to do whatever we can to eliminate that threat.

Now for the bad news: sheer irresponsibility may be a winning political strategy.

Mr. McCain’s claim that opponents of offshore drilling are responsible for high gas prices is ridiculous — and to their credit, major news organizations have pointed this out. Yet Mr. McCain’s gambit seems nonetheless to be working: public support for ending restrictions on drilling has risen sharply, with roughly half of voters saying that increased offshore drilling would reduce gas prices within a year.

Hence my concern: if a completely bogus claim that environmental protection is raising energy prices can get this much political traction, what are the chances of getting serious action against global warming? After all, a cap-and-trade system would in effect be a tax on carbon (though Mr. McCain apparently doesn’t know that), and really would raise energy prices.

The only way we’re going to get action, I’d suggest, is if those who stand in the way of action come to be perceived as not just wrong but immoral. Incidentally, that’s why I was disappointed with Barack Obama’s response to Mr. McCain’s energy posturing — that it was “the same old politics.” Mr. Obama was dismissive when he should have been outraged.

So as I said, I’m very glad to know that Nancy Pelosi is trying to save the planet. I just wish I had more confidence that she’s going to succeed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/01/op...hp&oref=slogin

ajmccarrell · #15 08-01-2008, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Obama's response:

Obama campaign spokesman Hari Sevugan dismissed the ad as a juvenile stunt.

"It's downright sad that on a day when we learned that 51,000 Americans lost their jobs, a candidate for the presidency is spending all of his time and the powerful platform he has on these sorts of juvenile antics," he said in a statement. "Senator McCain can keep telling everyone how 'proud' he is of these political stunts which even his Republican friends and advisors have called'childish', but Barack Obama will continue talking about his plan to jumpstart our economy by giving working families $1,000 of immediate relief."

_____________________

Somewhat smart to try to shift the focus. But, the focus will remain on this for awhile. Obama must find a way to counter that.

Imagine if Obama ran an ad with skin cancer patients dying of chemo, horrible images of radical skin cancer disfiguting people, families at funerals, etc. -- and then placing this text on the screen - "Sen. McCain has this disease in his veins and it's only a matter of time for the 71 year old man." "Does he have the medical time to lead this country?" Clearly McCain's skin cancer is a legitimate campaign issue. I think, though, that the McCain campaign would be horrified by such an ad. Yet, they run the same kind of tripe.

So, it isn't wasteful or distracting to spend donors money on trips to countries where they can't vote in the election? McCain's doctors disagree with you, so what makes you smarter than they are? Just crack any economics textbook, even those by Paul Krugman, and even he admits these rebates are totally inefficient and do not work. Last time it was tried was back in the Carter era and it didn't work then either. What Obama won't tell you is that if he taxes the oil companies at the rate he wants to and gives us all $1,000.00, it won't outweigh the price increases we will have to suffer as a result of his misguided policy, or the effects from the rising deficit by using the government to do what the market can do more efficiently. Someone open a damn textbook, will ya?! I would actually suggest Paul Krugman's texts, because he uses specific examples of the failures of these types of rehashed 70's energy policies that result in shortages and higher prices. Doesn't anyone remember this? Good lord.