I started to type that these were both my least favorite Welch forward FM albums. But when I really thought about it, one reason I never listen to these two, is that these are the only ones I have on vinyl only, not on CD. And I just never break out the turntable(it's a POS) anymore. But, now that I really think about it, while I like HAHTF soso, Penguin just never grew on me.
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