Is this fair?
 

Apparently whingeing about Lindsey (oh the injustice that someone who didn't want to work/tour full time [no solo in between] got fired!) and bitching about Mick ("What an a$$hole!") is perfectly fine in the Rumours forum. However, actually talking about the current line up of Fleetwood Mac which contains 4/5 Rumours members just like the Say You Will line up - just that instead of back up guitarists and singers they have Mike and Neil - is verboten. Instead these discussions have been relegated to the Post-Rumours forum.

Is this fair?

You'll be happy to know the moderators agree with you!

I happen to disagree. I believe that the addition of two members who were not a part of the Rumours line-up means that the band no longer qualifies as the Rumours line-up.

I know you do not agree. That is fine.

However, I feel my logic is quite solid, and I will continue to follow my own reasoning in this regard when it comes to where I post my topics.

I do not see that as "unfair."

I don't have a problem with it. I may still be p*ssed but I still wish them the best of luck and will be mildly curious to hear how they sound on everything. I still won't be going but I'll be curious. As to where the discussions take place, it makes since I guess since the majority of that line-up is still in tact.

I think you missed my point on the fairness factor. To me, calling people you do not know personally (and therefore cannot speak with any accuracy) an "a$$hole" is not fair. If those threads are allowed to persist without argument, then so too should so-called "Post-Rumours" discussions that are free of any expletives disguised with $$ signs.

Unfortunately I don't have much time to post now so I'll just respond quoting my previous answers to this question:

Let me just add that the only opinions that matter about the issue are the ones of the admin and of the moderators, so anyone else saying that you can't discuss the new line-up here is either lying or misinformed.

Well that just about settles it.

It settles it. But its still wrong.
Sister, sorry... I think you're wrong.
Post-Rumours should be all incarnations post-Rumours-era only members. Rick and Billy are different entities to Bekka Billy and Dave.
Just wrong :shrug:

Edit: and floored logic

Apples and Oranges

High horse, party of one!:lol:

FM is dead. Who cares where you post.

I knew that was true already. But seeing it written
out is something else. A shame really.

Without Lindsey, it’s no longer the Rumours lineup and the band is really not Fleetwood Mac. He was the creative source behind its success.

I agree 100 percent. People think it was Stevie but the real genius behind FM was LB. His production took them places the made them stand out from other bands soundwise. Love him or hate him, he made them unique. When left to their own devices they slip into blandness and cheese.

Truest words ever written.

I've always thought he was a spoiled brat, BUT, his genius is what made them what they are. They'd be a f*cking footnote in history had Mick not asked him to join.

And Stevie = GENIUS??? NO ONE has ever uttered those ridiculous words. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Stevie, as you have told me, knows three chords, F, G and Am.
To fashion over forty songs out of three chords is to me, genius.
To arrange the three chords of Dreams from a repetitive and slow piano piece to a rocking #1 single is ****ing incredible.

I've heard Lindsey interviews where he detailed his bolstering of Dreams. Stevie knows that he enlivens her songs, in my belief. Lindsey's instrumental "tension" and "emotion" in that song is what makes the renowned chorus memorable for me. SN did an awesome job with the writing but I believe LB gave it the legendary sound and vibe that rocketed it to success.
I love being able to share a thought in America!

Behind the Mask was horrid!!!! Only charted and sold some copies because of Tango.

No darling it's not. This whole forum thing has turned into a complete clusterf=ck. The mods have said the Rumours forum is where the current band lineup is to be discussed. Yet there are the Lindsey five (I like five, it's always been a very lucky number for me) who piss and moan like they're being tortured and acting like psychotic traffic cops yammering on about where this or that should go. I'd like to tell them where to go (it's a real long way to go). Anyway just a friendly word of advice. Trying to do anything about this situation here (I'm not talking about abs) is a bit like tilting at windmills (that's a Carlos Castaneda reference for those of you who can't keep up.):cool:

Technically it should have its own forum but we have been advised that ain't gonna happen. :shrug:

I find it hard to believe (and I'm not talking about you here) that people are going into anaphylactic shock or having seizures at the mere mention of some you know whos.

Then why in God's name are you wasting your time posting here? Maybe you should go take a sh!t on their Walk of Fame star and that will make you feel better. :shrug:

Using that logic it's not FM without Peter Green.

Even Stevie acknowledges Lindsey's driving force of Fleetwood Mac. No one thinks Stevie engineered the FM sound. No one.

Bolstering of Dreams? Mmmm... not so much. She wrote it on a Fender Rhodes piano in Sly Stones hideaway room in Sausalito and brought it upstairs to the band in the studio who promptly recorded it. Less was more with that song.

I think Cervantes would have a thing or two to say about that!

True. Oh well.

I think even nominal fans know the story of the writing of Dreams by now. Didn't Christine also say that the song was really boring as presented until Lindsey and the other instrumentalist did their magic:shrug:

She may well have but I don't recall. I just don't think he did that much with Dreams. There are plenty of other great examples with Gypsy immediately coming to mind.

Oh my stars! I am getting my Don Quixote and Don Juan mixed up! Tequila! Peyote! Ay yi yi! The only one that can't keep up is me. :laugh:

I remember something to that effect and Christine commenting "but she sang it beautifully". As if not to take all the credit from Stevie. And Stevie did write some really good lyrics to the song. But the band gave it its' full on embellished sound.

Thank you for your post. May I ask, do you know if Lindsey bolstered/supported the musical development of "Dreams" or is it "Mmmm... not so much"?
Your reply to my first post in this thread read to me as a correction of my belief with what I read to have been your presentation of a fact - that being "Mmmm... not so much." I heard the Sly Stone story on the CV 07 Tour.

I don't give a damn about what forum is the right. I'm still angry and blame on the whole band. They are more than old enough to get in ridiculous fights that did nothing but finish a great legacy in rock. This is it. Will there be a (Rumours lineup) reunion in 10 years? 5 years? I don't think so.

My fantasy is that they end this tour, say "We've made a horrible mistake" - call Lindsey - he accepts and they do a "Rumours 5 Reunion" tour to great acclaim and profits in 2022, just in time for the 45th anniversary of Rumours.

No it's not. Dreams and Gypsy are actually probably the two best examples of what Lindsey would do to Stevie's simple demos. And they're the two that he usually specifically mentions when talking about that kind of thing. Dreams has a TON of little grooves and things in the music of it that really make the sound of the song what it is and those are nowhere on any of Stevie's demos of the song. Like you said she wrote the song fairly quickly on a piano and it had a great vocal and lyrics and not much else. We've all heard the demos.

There are songs that wouldn't have been good examples. Storms being the most obvious imo. Storms is quite simply produced, Lindsey didn't add much except for some beautiful guitar work.

majority rules? :lol:

My fantasy also....but even at the very least a recorded show like the Dance that can be a momento for fans and rewatched. If their age and health are not in a way to make touring possible then this would be fine with me.

If Lindsey has any self respect, he would never return to the dinosaur that has held him back all these years. Let the carcass rot. Do YOUR thing Lindsey. Be creative on your own or with other artists that appreciate you. Tell the cash cow to **** themselves!

I agree completely. F*CK these IDIOTS for doing this to the band.

And I'd lose all respect for Lindsey if he ever went back to these whores. He doesn't need the money, so let them rot. He's the only one getting my support, from here on out.

If the theories are true, I hope that $tevie has her own personal bunker in Hell.

I really just don't like her anymore. What's that song of hers, "You May Be The One" where she says


https://youtu.be/GGegqrQ5n80


It's how I feel about her now, sadly.

That would be fine with me, too. Just something that has them together again. It can't end like this.