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elle 03-14-2019 07:03 PM

MOJO May 2019 - FM issue
 



https://www.greatmagazines.co.uk/moj.../mojo-may-2019

MOJO 306 – May 2019: Fleetwood Mac

Heralding their hotly anticipated homecoming shows, MOJO embraces all of Fleetwood Mac’s stellar phases, celebrating their 50 Greatest Songs while interrogating Mick and Christine about their latest incarnation... and why Lindsey had to go.


many had asked them on twitter whether there will be anything beyond the ole "we were not happy" bs, and they said there will be much more. we'll see, not holding my hopes up, probably the same ole bs from Mick and Christine as in their other recent interviews touting UK shows of the "happy happy new band".

michelej1 03-14-2019 08:07 PM

And this is why I must go ...

Is this going to be when they start trashing him? That's fine, but it will reveal everything they said about it being because of him not wanting to tour as the lie that it was.

I still wish you gone.

elle 03-14-2019 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 1250495)
And this is why I must go ...

Is this going to be when they start trashing him? That's fine, but it will reveal everything they said about it being because of him not wanting to tour as the lie that it was.

I still wish you gone.

i fully suspect that yes. especially judging by the last 2 interviews Mick gave and that one Chris gave, both touting the UK dates.

there's also this line / teaser -

COVER STORY: FLEETWOOD MAC The 50 Greatest Songs from every incarnation of The Band That Refused To Die, from heart-rending blues to solid gold pop. Plus: their latest unbelievable chapter told with exclusive new interviews. “It was a really bad time,” admits Christine McVie.

https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/...YBMM7rw-vAA_4I

rhiannondontgo 03-14-2019 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1250497)
“It was a really bad time,” admits Christine McVie

From the start, I assumed that this was entirely just Stevie refusing to be in the band with LB and everyone else reluctantly giving her what she wanted. Like I’ve always thought the rest of the band liked Lindsey and never would’ve gone along with this if they weren’t backed into a corner by Stevie. Even then, it’s surprising to me that they’d be able to go through with it if they had any love for LB at all.

But Chris and Mick now constantly talking about how unhappy they were and what a “bad time” it was has me wondering if maybe there was more to it. They could easily refuse to talk about the subject, keep it out of interviews like Stevie’s been doing, or just give vague “It’s a difficult situation and this was all we could do to continue touring” answers. That’s what they would be doing if they truly liked LB, wanted him in the band, and agreed to this under duress. But instead, they’re flat out saying things that make him look bad. Like that they were all unhappy and that it was a bad time. That’s not the behavior of innocent bystanders who didn’t want this to happen. It’s becoming more apparent to me that perhaps they aren’t completely full of sh*t and maybe there was something LB was doing that had multiple band mates annoyed - or at least just not loving him enough to fight for him. Idk, just a thought.

MikeInNV 03-14-2019 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 1250495)
Is this going to be when they start trashing him? That's fine, but it will reveal everything they said about it being because of him not wanting to tour as the lie that it was.

People have been demanding more information for a long time, but I question whether it's really going to make anyone feel any better. If the new details are ugly, the situation could easily go from bad to worse--for the band members, the people close to them, and their fans. It would be sadly ironic to end up wishing the initial lie had just been accepted in the first place.

BombaySapphire3 03-14-2019 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rhiannondontgo (Post 1250503)
From the start, I assumed that this was entirely just Stevie refusing to be in the band with LB and everyone else reluctantly giving her what she wanted. Like I’ve always thought the rest of the band liked Lindsey and never would’ve gone along with this if they weren’t backed into a corner by Stevie. Even then, it’s surprising to me that they’d be able to go through with it if they had any love for LB at all.

But Chris and Mick now constantly talking about how unhappy they were and what a “bad time” it was has me wondering if maybe there was more to it. They could easily refuse to talk about the subject, keep it out of interviews like Stevie’s been doing, or just give vague “It’s a difficult situation and this was all we could do to continue touring” answers. That’s what they would be doing if they truly liked LB, wanted him in the band, and agreed to this under duress. But instead, they’re flat out saying things that make him look bad. Like that they were all unhappy and that it was a bad time. That’s not the behavior of innocent bystanders who didn’t want this to happen. It’s becoming more apparent to me that perhaps they aren’t completely full of sh*t and maybe there was something LB was doing that had multiple band mates annoyed - or at least just not loving him enough to fight for him. Idk, just a thought.

He sued them and made them pay ..these greedy old crows hate that .Look at their subsequent treatment of Bob Welch and the old crone Christine blocking him from Fleetwood Mac's R&RHOF induction after he sued them. Come between these people and their $$$ and you're sure to make their sh*t list.

elle 03-14-2019 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rhiannondontgo (Post 1250503)
But instead, they’re flat out saying things that make him look bad. Like that they were all unhappy and that it was a bad time. That’s not the behavior of innocent bystanders who didn’t want this to happen.

i was wondering about that line too. Mojo certainly knows how to reel in readers! :laugh: we know they're not gonna say anything bad for the band reputation because they are promoting their UK dates and they have to prove how they were right to throw him out.

i'm gonna withhold my judgement on Christine till i read the interview. if she throws Lindsey under the bus than she's just as bad as the rest of them.
saying she's happy happy happy with Lindsey in 2017 and than just as happy happy happy after Stevie and Mick throw him out in 2018/19 is kinda kooky, but i guess you are promoting your current tours in both cases.

we were all giving Christine benefit of the doubt because:
1) she insisted in CBS interview she didn't know about Lindsey ouster
2) she repeated the same in Rolling Stone audio interview and said she was in the UK when they told her and that when she left for the UK everything was fine and dandy
3) she sent that email to Lindsey saying she misses him and she had nothing to do with the ouster.

sounds like Christine wants to have her cake and eat it too.

now Mick and Stevie have been on sh*t-on-Lindsey spree since april 2018 and never stopped, providing a number of contradicting excuses for what they did, so anything Mick says has no meaning at this point.

you can be unhappy or annoyed with someone you [barely] work with (although recording of BuckVie video seems to mightily contradict that unhappiness claim). that doesn't mean you should throw them out of the band of equals, where he has done huge stuff for that band's success over decades and where everyone had been annoying for 50 years, at the very end of the road as they are about to retire. the only band out there that still had their classic lineup intact. and because that was done without just cause, they paid up that lawsuit as fast as they could (after their dramatic "we will see you in court! we dispute everything he says!").

elle 03-14-2019 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3 (Post 1250507)
He sued them and made them pay ..these greedy old crows hate that .Look at their subsequent treatment of Bob Welch and the old crone Christine blocking him from Fleetwood Mac's R&RHOF induction after he sued them. Come between these people and their $$$ and you're sure to make their sh*t list.

we don't know it was Christine. because the only info about that came from Mick. Mick said that to Wendy Welch. he threw Christine under the bus. and Mick has been lying on other stuff, so why do we believe him on that one?

elle 03-14-2019 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeInNV (Post 1250506)
People have been demanding more information for a long time, but I question whether it's really going to make anyone feel any better. If the new details are ugly, the situation could easily go from bad to worse--for the band members, the people close to them, and their fans. It would be sadly ironic to end up wishing the initial lie had just been accepted in the first place.

and we would care about that why?

i don't really know how situation can get worse for fans. right now there are tons of ex Stevie and Fleetwood Mac hardcore fans who have been following them for decades who cannot even stand to listen to the music that has been the soundtrack of their lives. they are also not talking to tons of other Stevie fans who are staunchly standing by her now, many claiming she's an angel who can do no wrong and has finally got rid of her lifetime nemesis. and in some cases those fans have been friends for years, but now those friendships are broken. just look around here, all the riffs between people and endless name calling. people want to know what happened, the good and the bad and the ugly.

and apparently, Lindsey wants to know what happened too, who was unhappy and why. and why they didn't talk to him and tell him that, and try to work it out. as normal people would.

bombaysaffires 03-14-2019 09:38 PM

at least they picked a cover photo where Stevie looks like total sh$t:eek:

Storms123 03-14-2019 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3 (Post 1250507)
He sued them and made them pay ..these greedy old crows hate that .Look at their subsequent treatment of Bob Welch and the old crone Christine blocking him from Fleetwood Mac's R&RHOF induction after he sued them. Come between these people and their $$$ and you're sure to make their sh*t list.

Innocent people don't pay. The band settled. Why?

button-lip 03-14-2019 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Storms123 (Post 1250514)
Innocent people don't pay. The band settled. Why?

Exactly. I doubt we will want the initial lie to be true. And if Lindsey is asking what went wrong and they don't want to talk to him and prefer to trash him in a magazine instead of talking like adults, I don't have to believe anything they say. :nod::nod:

SteveMacD 03-14-2019 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1250508)
you can be unhappy or annoyed with someone you [barely] work with (although recording of BuckVie video seems to mightily contradict that unhappiness claim).

YOU went from being relatively happy with Mick in November, 2017 to detesting him by February, 2018. A lot can happen in a year. Things change, perspectives change, sometimes very quickly.

I could understand why Stevie, Mick, and Azoff became unhappy with Lindsey. It’s also understandable how being around a legendarily toxic relationship would make bystanders like Christine unhappy.

elle 03-14-2019 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1250517)
YOU went from being relatively happy with Mick in November, 2017 to detesting him by February, 2018. A lot can happen in a year. Things change, perspectives change, sometimes very quickly.

I could understand why Stevie, Mick, and Azoff became unhappy with Lindsey. It’s also understandable how being around a legendarily toxic relationship would make bystanders like Christine unhappy.

:laugh: i don't know these people, even if what you are claiming were true. other than Lindsey, i never really talked to any of them. very different from people who went together through thick and thin for 50 years, don't ya think?

Lindsey didn't change from 2017 to 2018. and certainly not from Nov 2017 to Jan 2018. that's a month, not a year. he didn't change for years, probably decades. he's been way mellower and nicer than in their heyday, so how him changing for the better is suddenly a problem?

yes being around toxic relationship is draining. Christine knew what she was coming back to. they all knew and lived with it for decades. Christine mentioned back in 2017 interviews how they all get along great, except Lindsey and Stevie. she also mentioned how much nicer to work with Lindsey is now as opposed to back in the heyday when he was asocial and razor focused on work. so what did change? Stevie gained more power. she became very commercially successful again. that's what changed. she felt she had enough power to pull the ouster.

MikeInNV 03-14-2019 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1250510)
and we would care about that why?

Well FWIW, when I said band members I was including Lindsey. An inability to come to an agreement over a touring schedule doesn't really make anyone sound that awful. But if Christine, who is often seen as a voice of reason, elaborates on what made it "a really bad time" and puts at least part of the fault on Lindsey, he may look worse than he does now. And that will just give the different factions of FM fans more to fight about.

button-lip 03-14-2019 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1250526)
:laugh: i don't know these people, even if what you are claiming were true. other than Lindsey, i never really talked to any of them. very different from people who went together through thick and thin for 50 years, don't ya think?

Lindsey didn't change from 2017 to 2018. and certainly not from Nov 2017 to Jan 2018. that's a month, not a year. he didn't change for years, probably decades. he's been way mellower and nicer than in their heyday, so how him changing for the better is suddenly a problem?

yes being around toxic relationship is draining. Christine knew what she was coming back to. they all knew and lived with it for decades. Christine mentioned back in 2017 interviews how they all get along great, except Lindsey and Stevie. she also mentioned how much nicer to work with Lindsey is now as opposed to back in the heyday when he was asocial and razor focused on work. so what did change? Stevie gained more power. she became very commercially successful again. that's what changed. she felt she had enough power to pull the ouster.

They had spent more than 50 years side by side, hating and loving each other, and now they feel the need not only to get rid of Lindsey but to trash him at every opportunity they have? Who are these people indeed.

MikeInNV 03-14-2019 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Storms123 (Post 1250514)
Innocent people don't pay. The band settled. Why?

There can be any number of reasons to settle. Btw, Lindsey settled too.

elle 03-14-2019 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeInNV (Post 1250527)
Well FWIW, when I said band members I was including Lindsey. An inability to come to an agreement over a touring schedule doesn't really make anyone sound that awful. But if Christine, who is often seen as a voice of reason, elaborates on what made it "a really bad time" and puts at least part of the fault on Lindsey, he may look worse than he does now. And that will just give the different factions of FM fans more to fight about.

well firing essential band member over that does sound pretty awful. also whatever the reasoning was, it was apparently unjust considering it was worth settling lawsuit over, in a rush. :shrug:

elle 03-14-2019 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeInNV (Post 1250529)
There can be any number of reasons to settle. Btw, Lindsey settled too.

haha sure - like being in the wrong. yes, he accepted their settlement offer.

many of us wished it went to court. and reading your remarks just now, i again wish it did. :]

TheWildHeart67 03-14-2019 11:07 PM

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and in some cases those fans have been friends for years, but now those friendships are broken. just look around here, all the riffs between people and endless name calling. people want to know what happened, the good and the bad and the ugly.
Friendships between fans are now broken because of disagreements regarding Fleetwood Mac?
That is really really twisted.
That is not a reason to end a friendship..Over a band.

SteveMacD 03-14-2019 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elle (Post 1250526)
Lindsey didn't change from 2017 to 2018. and certainly not from Nov 2017 to Jan 2018. that's a month, not a year.

I’m beginning to wonder about your reading comprehension. You said that the “recording of BuckVie video seems to mightily contradict that unhappiness claim,” and I said that “YOU went from being relatively happy with Mick in November, 2017 to detesting him by February, 2018. A lot can happen in a year. Things change, perspectives change, sometimes very quickly.”

I was clearly referring to the year or so between the end of the LBCM sessions and Lindsey’s firing, and was using the two or so months between the end of the LBCM tour and Lindsey’s firing as an example of how quickly attitudes can change. And I never said Lindsey changed, just that things/perspectives can change.

bombaysaffires 03-14-2019 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elle (Post 1250497)
. “It was a really bad time,” admits Christine McVie.[/B]

https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/...YBMM7rw-vAA_4I


Does she mean it was a bad time between Stevie and Lindsey??? Maybe it wasn't the whole band having probs with LB but the tension, bickering, bs between those two, which would of course impact everyone else.... I don't want to be reaching too hard but I also think that the band will be under strict orders from The Queen to not make honest statements that SHE was the only one with probs with LB. So it's not dishonest for them to say they were unhappy but they just are fudging language to not say that the reason THEY were unhappy was because SN was unhappy with LB. Can't rock her boat or mess with her narrative.

michelej1 03-14-2019 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeInNV (Post 1250506)
People have been demanding more information for a long time, but I question whether it's really going to make anyone feel any better. If the new details are ugly, the situation could easily go from bad to worse--for the band members, the people close to them, and their fans. It would be sadly ironic to end up wishing the initial lie had just been accepted in the first place.

I am not scared of the truth. Not that those people know how to give it. I do not buy the idea that they were protecting dirty laundry for the world’s sake.

michelej1 03-15-2019 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeInNV (Post 1250527)
Well FWIW, when I said band members I was including Lindsey. An inability to come to an agreement over a touring schedule doesn't really make anyone sound that awful. But if Christine, who is often seen as a voice of reason, elaborates on what made it "a really bad time" and puts at least part of the fault on Lindsey, he may look worse than he does now. And that will just give the different factions of FM fans more to fight about.

Lindsey has been made to look bad for 40 years now. I think his fans can take it.

I don’t see myself crying into my pillow, brokenly gasping, “I wish I didn’t know now what I didn’t know then!”

Plus, if Lindsey has some big secret to hide, I think he would have just gone home and shut up for fear of what the others might reveal. Instead he was running around being more visible, forthright and open.

iamnotafraid 03-15-2019 12:14 AM

If they were opting to go to a concerted effort
to trash Lindsey with additional details, you'd
think if they had any class they'd stop this
nonsense after his health issue. But no.

Whether what they have to say is true or not,
it shows what type people these 4 are.

HomerMcvie 03-15-2019 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid (Post 1250546)
If they were opting to go to a concerted effort
to trash Lindsey with additional details, you'd
think if they had any class they'd stop this
nonsense after his health issue. But no.

Whether what they have to say is true or not,
it shows what type people these 4 are.

They are scum, without a shred of decency between all four of them. I hope their little black hearts shrivel away, sooner than later, for treating him like this.

button-lip 03-15-2019 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid (Post 1250546)
If they were opting to go to a concerted effort
to trash Lindsey with additional details, you'd
think if they had any class they'd stop this
nonsense after his health issue. But no.

Whether what they have to say is true or not,
it shows what type people these 4 are.

They already won. They got rid of Lindsey so that the Queen could be happy.

You’d think they would move on and enjoy their dreamy tour without annoying Lindsey. But no, they have to go further and trash him at every opportunity they have. Trash him and minimize his legacy and his contributions to the band.

And to think some people still think they’re the greatest band in the world. That says a lot about yourself. No wonder friendships were broken.

jeets2000 03-15-2019 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires (Post 1250542)
Does she mean it was a bad time between Stevie and Lindsey??? Maybe it wasn't the whole band having probs with LB but the tension, bickering, bs between those two, which would of course impact everyone else.... I don't want to be reaching too hard but I also think that the band will be under strict orders from The Queen to not make honest statements that SHE was the only one with probs with LB. So it's not dishonest for them to say they were unhappy but they just are fudging language to not say that the reason THEY were unhappy was because SN was unhappy with LB. Can't rock her boat or mess with her narrative.

It's my suspicion that this is exactly how it will read when the full story comes out. It was a bad time for Stevie and Lindsey, "people" were deeply unhappy (gotta keep it vague!), and the band made this "very difficult" decision. But, we shall see!

michelej1 03-15-2019 11:46 AM

Like her Forgiveness says, Christine was:

Trapped In the middle of a lousy love affair

jeets2000 03-15-2019 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1250539)
I’m beginning to wonder about your reading comprehension. You said that the “recording of BuckVie video seems to mightily contradict that unhappiness claim,” and I said that “YOU went from being relatively happy with Mick in November, 2017 to detesting him by February, 2018. A lot can happen in a year. Things change, perspectives change, sometimes very quickly.”

I was clearly referring to the year or so between the end of the LBCM sessions and Lindsey’s firing, and was using the two or so months between the end of the LBCM tour and Lindsey’s firing as an example of how quickly attitudes can change. And I never said Lindsey changed, just that things/perspectives can change.

Maybe before you start throwing stones at other members here, you take stock of the fact that you are the one comparing the complicated relationships among people who have known and worked with each other for decades, and a fan's opinion of a drummer she does not know personally? It's an absurd comparison and an even weaker argument. Worse still, it's just lazy.

TheWildHeart67 03-15-2019 03:06 PM

Why is this getting weirder and weirder?
Turning on each other over Fleetwood Mac?
It doesn't involve any of us fans.
I understand people being disappointed, or upset.
But this is becoming as serious to people as a religious or political argument.
It's kind of bizarre.
Why let it affect your lives?

HomerMcvie 03-15-2019 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWildHeart67 (Post 1250564)
Why is this getting weirder and weirder?
Turning on each other over Fleetwood Mac?
It doesn't involve any of us fans.
I understand people being disappointed, or upset.
But this is becoming as serious to people as a religious or political argument.
It's kind of bizarre.
Why let it affect your lives?

Have you followed them for 40 years? If so, speak your mind. If not, not.:p

And to anyone who's primarily a $tevie fan, we don't expect you to get it. Go worship in the barnyard. And the Present Band Forum is where you should be, if you want to discuss the PRESENT band. Thank you, drive thru...

aleuzzi 03-15-2019 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elle (Post 1250526)
Christine mentioned back in 2017 interviews how they all get along great, except Lindsey and Stevie. she also mentioned how much nicer to work with Lindsey is now as opposed to back in the heyday when he was asocial and razor focused on work. so what did change? Stevie gained more power. she became very commercially successful again. that's what changed. she felt she had enough power to pull the ouster.

But then there was that article done at the end of the American leg of their "On With the Show" tour where Stevie was vocally VERY unhappy, Mick was happy to see John and Christine getting along and chumming it up, but flabbergasted by the animosity between Lindsey and Stevie. He even quoted Christine who said their holding onto old wounds should have ceased years ago.

So I'm thinking the band WERE unhappy because the Americans were acting like spoiled hateful brats. What's so sad is that the Brits decided to honor the wishes of one of those brats over the other out of pure greed.

Would I have been happy had Stevie left instead of Lindsey? Not especially but truthfully I would not have been outright disgusted. She could go one and do her thing while the remaining four made new music. That, for me, as always made the difference. Both LB and SN are insufferably self-centered in different ways but only LB is open and urging of fresh creativity and musical growth. So, I can look past his often aloof media personality.

TheWildHeart67 03-15-2019 04:53 PM

I think these forms are becoming a very morbidly fascinating place to visit. So interesting to see middle-aged to past middle-aged people making this entire situation this serious . Both team Lindsay and team Stevie fans take obsession to a brand new level of obsession. I've listened to this band for 40 years, but frankly, if what's going on between Lindsey Stevie the Mac is that important to anybody then they must not have any real problems. Good for you 👍.

jeets2000 03-15-2019 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWildHeart67 (Post 1250567)
I think these forms are becoming a very morbidly fascinating place to visit. So interesting to see middle-aged to past middle-aged people making this entire situation this serious . Both team Lindsay and team Stevie fans take obsession to a brand new level of obsession. I've listened to this band for 40 years, but frankly, if what's going on between Lindsey Stevie the Mac is that important to anybody then they must not have any real problems. Good for you 👍.

Hey, check it out, everybody! Mr. Too Cool For School is back! :cool:

TheWildHeart67 03-15-2019 05:00 PM

Of course I'm back. I would never completely walk away from a fascinating car wreck. All of this is very entertaining.

TheWildHeart67 03-15-2019 05:02 PM

I'm not a primary fan of Lindsey Stevie or the mack. I like it all. but both teams like I said before you need to get a life it's not that important

HomerMcvie 03-15-2019 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeets2000 (Post 1250568)
Hey, check it out, everybody! Mr. Too Cool For School is back! :cool:

Maybe we should build a shrine!!!!:laugh:

button-lip 03-15-2019 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1250566)
But then there was that article done at the end of the American leg of their "On With the Show" tour where Stevie was vocally VERY unhappy, Mick was happy to see John and Christine getting along and chumming it up, but flabbergasted by the animosity between Lindsey and Stevie. He even quoted Christine who said their holding onto old wounds should have ceased years ago.

So I'm thinking the band WERE unhappy because the Americans were acting like spoiled hateful brats. What's so sad is that the Brits decided to honor the wishes of one of those brats over the other out of pure greed.

Would I have been happy had Stevie left instead of Lindsey? Not especially but truthfully I would not have been outright disgusted. She could go one and do her thing while the remaining four made new music. That, for me, as always made the difference. Both LB and SN are insufferably self-centered in different ways but only LB is open and urging of fresh creativity and musical growth. So, I can look past his often aloof media personality.

Same. I wouldn't be happy if Stevie left because I want all of them in the band, but creatively she's doing way less than Lindsey. And she has her magnificent solo career, so rich and full of packed arenas. I certainly wouldn't miss her at all.
But of course Brits had to think with their bank accounts instead of with their hearts and minds. And talents.

michelej1 03-15-2019 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWildHeart67 (Post 1250564)
Why is this getting weirder and weirder?
Turning on each other over Fleetwood Mac?
It doesn't involve any of us fans.
I understand people being disappointed, or upset.
But this is becoming as serious to people as a religious or political argument.
It's kind of bizarre.
Why let it affect your lives?

And you need to talk about the Mac rather than reflecting on the psychological needs of other posters and wondering why they don't get a life. If the obsession here is getting to you, skip the thread.


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