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Jonathan Todds Email No One Was Supposed To See: READ
Ok people... I have been reading and commenting on all of the Jonathan Todd threads going on and I know you all are aware of my feelings on the matter. I did not join the fan club so I was not directly affected by the whole fiasco. A lot of people think that my ill feeling towards Todd is due to the fact that I was banned from his crappy board but as you all know was later re-instated as there were no grounds for this. However my reasons go a whole lot further than that. I wasn't sure about bringing all this out in the open but I feel I have to. I was insulted in an email that Todd sent in response to one of Louise's (highpriestess53) emails requesting Fan Club assistance from JT for our UK convention, that was supposed to be sent to Micks management, but, accidentially was sent to Louise.
I'll let Louise explain more...... please take the time to read Pip |
Honey.....
Sweetie, I would love to read this, but I don't see anything to read.
:distress: Susie :D |
[B]THIS IS MY STATEMENT OF FACT[/B]
From: "Louise J Beard"
This is my statement about the events that lead upto the volley of e-mails sent between myself and Mr. Jonathan Todd of Sabremark Inc.administrators of MickFleetwood.com and FleetwoodMac.com and a subsequent telephone conversation. After many months of intermittent dialogue between myself and Mr. Blain Clausen of Immortal, management company in charge of the affairs of Mick Fleetwood, it was decided that due to the workload concerning Fleetwood Mac they were unable to help with a UK fan convention. This lead to Mr. Clausen recommending that I contact Mr Jonathan Todd about mentioning the convention on the 'Official' website FleetwoodMac.com. The subsequent reply was addressed to Mr. BlainClausen and sent to me in error by Mr. Jonathan Todd. Mr. Todd on two occasions tried to re-call the message. Now knowing he, Mr. Todd, had made this grave error, sent me an email explaining that the e-mail had been played around with by one of his workers. At this point Iwas still acting in the interest of the convention and tried to remain polite and asked if Mr. Todd could put up the convention information on FleetwoodMac.com. On Saturday 26th April 2003 at 7pm UK time I received a phone call from Mr. Todd though I had NOT given him my phone number (on Monday 28th April I called Mr Blain Clausen and he notified me that he had given Mr.Todd my phone number not realising the reason for Mr. Todd calling me other than a 'collaboration between fanclubs') Mr Toddmade mention of the e-mail and apologised for my receiving it in error but NOT for the content. I said I was shocked that this was the attitude taken by him. After Mr.Todd made this'apology', his first issue was to slander Pip Fidler saying that she had gone ballistic on the message board and suggested strongly that she was a troublemaker. I kept things polite and we chatted, the conversation turned to the convention. It was then that Mr. Todd suggested we postpone the convention and try to do it on the back of a European tour, in which case he could help us out. The conversation turned gradually to me,Mr Toddmade an offer for me to become European 'correspondent' for the FleetwoodMac.com board under the new forum heading European Happenings in exchange for 'privileges' for the convention. He made mention the two MickFleetwood.com'fan moderators' ("Trinity and Jackie")who had been deemed 'safe' by acting in the interest of MickFleetwood.com for some time and the privileges that they had received, ie tickets and flights to attend the Fleetwood Mac Family and Friends concert performances. Mr Todd explained that I had to be deemed safe before these privileges were extended and that he could also by-pass management to do so. To keep things open I said I would give Mr Todd's comments some thought and the call ended. After the conversation was terminated, my immediate reaction was that Mr. Todd had offered me a bribe to make good for his error and to placate me with a 'position' so that I could make gain for myself and the convention. Mr. Todd next email says he is awaiting confirmation about my submitting a regular column on European Happenings I find this quite astounding as I had NEVER agreed to do anything of the sort. Another thing is that I by my own admission am not in the thick of all things Fleetwood Mac and thus would not be the right candidate to fill this 'position'. Thus I made my reply short and sharp. Again, even after my brusque reply, Mr. Todd sees fit to open the position to further dialogue to which I have sent no reply. Louise |
My E-mail to JT as recommended by Blain Clausen of Immortal
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by uranium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 199DZA-000512-00 for fmconvention2003@btopenworld.com; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 01:29:20 +0100 Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net ([151.164.30.28]) by highlight.sohoservers.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 199DZ2-00066l-00 for louisejbeard@fleetwoodmac.co.uk; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 00:29:12 +0000 Received: from VAIO18P4 (adsl-63-194-25-245.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.25.245]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h3Q0SvPj019043 for From: "Jonathan Todd - Fleetwood Mac" To: "'Louise J Beard'" Subject: RE: Fleetwood Mac convention Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:28:54 -0700 Message-ID: <00c701c30b8a$db78df30$6701a8c0@VAIO18P4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C8_01C30B50.2F1A0730" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <001c01c30b7d$4aab1750$c15ffea9@louisehome> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - highlight.sohoservers.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - fleetwoodmac.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - fleetwoodmac.com Status: Hi Jonathan How are you? I hope that this finds you well.... I was speaking with Blain Klausen of Immortal yesterday re the Fleetwood Mac fan convention and he has referred me to you to ask if you could put some information about the UK's first Fleetwood Mac fan convention on Fleetwood Mac.com to help us promote it. We have pretty much exhausted all available avenues when you have no money behind you and have found that the doors aren't opening like we would like and ticket sales have been pretty abysmal. Blain and I have communicated on several occasions over the past three to four months, about the convention, however due to being very busy with FM and the tour, CD promotion etc, they can't give us any time....which is disappointing but understandable. So I am appealing to your good nature to help us out would you be kind enough to do so......please. Thank you I will look forward to hearing from you in due course Warmest Regards Louise Beard aka crystalball |
THE E-MAIL I WAS NEVER SUPPOSED TO READ
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by uranium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 199DZA-000512-00 for fmconvention2003@btopenworld.com; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 01:29:20 +0100 Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net ([151.164.30.28]) by highlight.sohoservers.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 199DZ2-00066l-00 for louisejbeard@fleetwoodmac.co.uk; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 00:29:12 +0000 Received: from VAIO18P4 (adsl-63-194-25-245.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.25.245]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h3Q0SvPj019043 for From: "Jonathan Todd - Fleetwood Mac" To: "'Louise J Beard'" Subject: RE: Fleetwood Mac convention Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:28:54 -0700 Message-ID: <00c701c30b8a$db78df30$6701a8c0@VAIO18P4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C8_01C30B50.2F1A0730" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <001c01c30b7d$4aab1750$c15ffea9@louisehome> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - highlight.sohoservers.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - fleetwoodmac.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - fleetwoodmac.com Status: Hi Blain: Some of the people involved with this have been so bad on Mick’s board we’ve banned them. I’m worried about promoting events we have no control over. Once we set this precedence we’ll have to offer equal “air time” to every requesting party. Finally, they can’t spell your name and therefore should get NO consideration whatsoever! Please advise if you want this posted. My vote is no. If you want to support them, let’s put them in the CART and get a portion of their ticket sales! Someone still needs to verify this is representative and legit. JT |
JT trying to RECALL messages
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by tantalum with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 199Ddu-000716-00 for fmconvention2003@btopenworld.com; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 01:34:14 +0100 Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net ([151.164.30.28]) by highlight.sohoservers.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 199Ddm-000695-00 for louisejbeard@fleetwoodmac.co.uk; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 00:34:06 +0000 Received: from VAIO18P4 (adsl-63-194-25-245.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.25.245]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h3Q0Y3Pj024201 for From: "Jonathan Todd - Fleetwood Mac" To: "'Louise J Beard'" Subject: Recall: Fleetwood Mac convention Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:34:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C30B50.DF028780" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Expiry-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 17:33:59 -0700 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 000000008C5853868600AD49A830878EC3C8D29684077D00 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - highlight.sohoservers.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - fleetwoodmac.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - fleetwoodmac.com Status: Jonathan Todd - Fleetwood Mac would like to recall the message, "Fleetwood Mac convention". |
ANOTHER attempt to RECALL message
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by aluminium with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 199DeK-0000d0-00 for fmconvention2003@btopenworld.com; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 01:34:40 +0100 Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net ([151.164.30.28]) by highlight.sohoservers.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 199DeD-00069F-00 for louisejbeard@fleetwoodmac.co.uk; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 00:34:33 +0000 Received: from VAIO18P4 (adsl-63-194-25-245.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.25.245]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h3Q0YUPj024645 for From: "Jonathan Todd - Fleetwood Mac" To: "'Louise J Beard'" Subject: Recall: Fleetwood Mac convention Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:34:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CF_01C30B50.EEEF5F60" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Expiry-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 17:34:26 -0700 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 000000008C5853868600AD49A830878EC3C8D296A4077D00 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - highlight.sohoservers.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - fleetwoodmac.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - fleetwoodmac.com Status: Jonathan Todd - Fleetwood Mac would like to recall the message, "Fleetwood Mac convention". |
TRYING TO WORM HIS WAY OUT OF A NASTY SITUATION
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by platinum with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 199Dr8-000730-00 for fmconvention2003@btopenworld.com; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 01:47:54 +0100 Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net ([151.164.30.28]) by highlight.sohoservers.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 199Dr0-0006Ep-00 for louisejbeard@fleetwoodmac.co.uk; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 00:47:46 +0000 Received: from VAIO18P4 (adsl-63-194-25-245.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.194.25.245]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h3Q0lgPj007763; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:47:51 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jonathan Todd - Fleetwood Mac" To: "'Louise J Beard'" Subject: RE: Fleetwood Mac convention Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:47:39 -0700 Message-ID: <00de01c30b8d$73b100a0$6701a8c0@VAIO18P4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DF_01C30B52.C75228A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <001c01c30b7d$4aab1750$c15ffea9@louisehome> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - highlight.sohoservers.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - fleetwoodmac.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - fleetwoodmac.com Status: Hi Louise: One of our people thought it humorous to play with your message and accidentally sent you the reply! We’ve recalled this and hopefully you won’t be troubled by first message. We’d be happy to promote your program and have always allowed and supported your links on the MickFleetwood.com site. Please send me any appropriate information and we’ll try to see where on our FleetwoodMac.com site we can provide promotion. We expect a board to come up soon on the site and that would be a natural. For now, we may be able to put you in the “Happenings” section. We never accept “commissions” or sales referrals for promotion of Fleetwood Mac programs and we need no financial or other compensation from you. Let me know how we can help! Regards, Jonathan Todd |
STILL TRYING TO KISS MY ASS
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by plutonium with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19AXjL-0000We-00 for fmconvention2003@btopenworld.com; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:13:19 +0100 Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net ([206.13.28.241]) by highlight.sohoservers.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19AXj6-0001Fl-00 for louisejbeard@fleetwoodmac.co.uk; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:13:04 +0000 Received: from VAIO18P4 ([63.194.25.245]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HE400DSS51K4Z@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for louisejbeard@fleetwoodmac.co.uk; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:12:48 -0700 From: Jonathan Todd - Fleetwood Mac Subject: RE: Fleetwood Mac convention In-reply-to: <002101c30e58$023cb630$c15ffea9@louisehome> To: 'Louise J Beard' Message-id: <001301c30e6a$310a59b0$6701a8c0@VAIO18P4> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_3j2NuNp+WHUT27oLaMREtA)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - highlight.sohoservers.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - fleetwoodmac.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - fleetwoodmac.com Status: Hello Louise: Thanks for taking the time to speak with me this weekend. I’d like to confirm that if you’d like to submit a regular column on European Happenings we’d be interested and appreciative. You could select a weekly, bi-monthly or monthly update. You’d provide copy which we would review, verify and edit. Once approved, this would appear under a new space on the FleetwoodMac.com site dedicated to European Happenings. Please let me know if you’d like to spearhead this project. I believe we can be more inclusive of the European fans by having this penned by someone who is a recognized fan living in Europe. Regarding the Convention, I’ll hold off making any announcements on this pending hearing back from you regarding the dates. If Fleetwood Mac tours Europe, I believe your Convention would gain much more steam than proceeding with the current date. That’s a choice for your group to make. I’ll support you as best as possible either way, Louise. Please let me know your thoughts. Warm Regards, Jonathan |
MY REPLY
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by plutonium with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19AXjL-0000We-00 for fmconvention2003@btopenworld.com; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:13:19 +0100 Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net ([206.13.28.241]) by highlight.sohoservers.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19AXj6-0001Fl-00 for louisejbeard@fleetwoodmac.co.uk; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:13:04 +0000 Received: from VAIO18P4 ([63.194.25.245]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HE400DSS51K4Z@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for louisejbeard@fleetwoodmac.co.uk; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:12:48 -0700 From: Jonathan Todd - Fleetwood Mac Subject: RE: Fleetwood Mac convention In-reply-to: <002101c30e58$023cb630$c15ffea9@louisehome> To: 'Louise J Beard' Message-id: <001301c30e6a$310a59b0$6701a8c0@VAIO18P4> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_3j2NuNp+WHUT27oLaMREtA)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - highlight.sohoservers.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - fleetwoodmac.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - fleetwoodmac.com Status: Jonathan In light of recent regrettable events I will not be taking you up on your offer. Regards Louise |
kISS MY ASS AGAIN
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by plutonium with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19AXjL-0000We-00 for fmconvention2003@btopenworld.com; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:13:19 +0100 Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net ([206.13.28.241]) by highlight.sohoservers.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19AXj6-0001Fl-00 for louisejbeard@fleetwoodmac.co.uk; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:13:04 +0000 Received: from VAIO18P4 ([63.194.25.245]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HE400DSS51K4Z@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for louisejbeard@fleetwoodmac.co.uk; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:12:48 -0700 From: Jonathan Todd - Fleetwood Mac Subject: RE: Fleetwood Mac convention In-reply-to: <002101c30e58$023cb630$c15ffea9@louisehome> To: 'Louise J Beard' Message-id: <001301c30e6a$310a59b0$6701a8c0@VAIO18P4> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_3j2NuNp+WHUT27oLaMREtA)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - highlight.sohoservers.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - fleetwoodmac.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - fleetwoodmac.com Status: Louise: Hope all is well. We’d always be open to revisiting this issue if you choose to participate. If the Convention needs support, please let us know and we’ll provide any promotion we can for you. Regards, Jonathan |
That just makes me sick! This guy really is something else!
Susie |
Re: THE E-MAIL I WAS NEVER SUPPOSED TO READ
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And to even suggest taking a cut of the ticket sales of a NON PROFIT MAKING fan convention is proposterous! To me this totally shows him for what he is and I hate that he has anything to do with Fleetwood Mac I'm sure that in light of this happening people who questioned why I left Mick's board will now understand. I hope people from over there read this. Pip |
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OMG!!! That is sick.
Ughh!!! Thats making me sick!:mad: Isabel |
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