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MoonSister75 04-17-2017 02:02 AM

I'm confused, shouldn't some of these posts be moderated according to the rules and guidelines of the Ledge. I'm often baffled as to how it's allowed to continue, as there are so many posts that are inflammatory and seem to only have the intent of provoking other readers. And now hateful sexist remarks are ok? :confused:

From the FAQ

- If all you have to add are harrassing, insulting, taunting, nasty remarks or name-calling, you'll be asked to go somewhere else. Taunting is defined as "aggravation by deriding, mocking, criticizing or carping".
• Any statement that defames, abuses or threatens others
• Derogatory statements that could be construed as bigoted, hateful or racially offensive or comments defaming sexual orientation
• In expressing your devotion to one member of Fleetwood Mac, please try to avoid belittling the accomplishments of the others.

Surely some of these posts could be regarded as trolling?
a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3] often for the troll's amusement.

Jondalar 04-17-2017 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MoonSister75 (Post 1207211)
​I'm confused, shouldn't some of these posts be moderated according to the rules and guidelines of the Ledge. I'm often baffled as to how it's allowed to continue, as there are so many posts that are inflammatory and seem to only have the intent of provoking other readers. And now hateful sexist remarks are ok? :confused:

From the FAQ

- If all you have to add are harrassing, insulting, taunting, nasty remarks or name-calling, you'll be asked to go somewhere else. Taunting is defined as "aggravation by deriding, mocking, criticizing or carping".
Any statement that defames, abuses or threatens others
Derogatory statements that could be construed as bigoted, hateful or racially offensive or comments defaming sexual orientation
In expressing your devotion to one member of Fleetwood Mac, please try to avoid belittling the accomplishments of the others.

Surely some of these posts could be regarded as trolling?
a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3] often for the troll's amusement.

Snowflake alert...

How typical. For years, Lindsey was targeted by the Stevie fans, who blamed him for everything. They would always get their digs in and make fun of him. Now their queen has exposed herself, and she is getting targeted.

Fake outrage to shut people up. No rules were broken. You just don't want to hear opinions that aren't like yours.

FuzzyPlum 04-17-2017 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar (Post 1207216)
Snowflake alert...

How typical. For years, Lindsey was targeted by the Stevie fans, who blamed him for everything. They would always get their digs in and make fun of him. Now their queen has exposed herself, and she is getting targeted.

Fake outrage to shut people up. No rules were broken. You just don't want to hear opinions that aren't like yours.


As has been said, there is absolutely nothing wrong with expressing displeasure at band members and having disagreements. If you want to target Stevie that's up to you. However there is a line to be drawn regarding what is or is not acceptable. Espousing burning Stevie is unacceptable in my view. You may not actually mean that you would like to see her burned to death but that is essentially what you are suggesting. It is a crime to advocate murdering somebody so I'd say rules are being broken.
All this because she's decided she doesn't wish to record an album with your favourite band. Put things into some context- if her actions are enough to solicit such feelings in you then that's really quite disturbing- perhaps some inward reflection is warranted. As is always the case, its easy to sit there at your computer and type sh!t you'd never say directly to somebody in person.

By the way, I'm not familiar with the term 'snowflake'. It does however feel as if it has implied homophobic undertones. Perhaps I'm taking it in the wrong way though.

Aussie W/Heart 04-17-2017 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MoonSister75 (Post 1207211)
​I'm confused, shouldn't some of these posts be moderated according to the rules and guidelines of the Ledge. I'm often baffled as to how it's allowed to continue, as there are so many posts that are inflammatory and seem to only have the intent of provoking other readers. And now hateful sexist remarks are ok? :confused:

From the FAQ

- If all you have to add are harrassing, insulting, taunting, nasty remarks or name-calling, you'll be asked to go somewhere else. Taunting is defined as "aggravation by deriding, mocking, criticizing or carping".
Any statement that defames, abuses or threatens others
Derogatory statements that could be construed as bigoted, hateful or racially offensive or comments defaming sexual orientation
In expressing your devotion to one member of Fleetwood Mac, please try to avoid belittling the accomplishments of the others.

Surely some of these posts could be regarded as trolling?
a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3] often for the troll's amusement.

:shocked:These rules are broken in almost every 2nd post by the same obnoxious schoolyard pack members, & notice all the pats on back or your my new best friend after the name calling & never ending insults towards SN.. its all pretty laughable, that a few adults on here carry on like this.. :shrug:

MoonSister75 04-17-2017 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar (Post 1207216)
Snowflake alert...

How typical. For years, Lindsey was targeted by the Stevie fans, who blamed him for everything. They would always get their digs in and make fun of him. Now their queen has exposed herself, and she is getting targeted.

Fake outrage to shut people up. No rules were broken. You just don't want to hear opinions that aren't like yours.


I wasn't on this board at that time, so I don't have any experience of that particular Lindsey bashing.

You have reacted very strongly to what I thought was a straight forward post. Believe me, it's definitely not fake outrage. I've honestly seen numerous posts within the last year that I don't believe comply with the rules of this board, and don't make it a very welcoming place to be, and I'm enquiring about that. No one is asking anyone to shut up.

And if snowflake is supposed to be an insult towards me that's fine - I happen to love snow, and snowflakes are beautiful in my world :)

SisterNightroad 04-17-2017 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MoonSister75 (Post 1207211)
​I'm confused, shouldn't some of these posts be moderated according to the rules and guidelines of the Ledge. I'm often baffled as to how it's allowed to continue, as there are so many posts that are inflammatory and seem to only have the intent of provoking other readers. And now hateful sexist remarks are ok? :confused:

From the FAQ

- If all you have to add are harrassing, insulting, taunting, nasty remarks or name-calling, you'll be asked to go somewhere else. Taunting is defined as "aggravation by deriding, mocking, criticizing or carping".
Any statement that defames, abuses or threatens others
Derogatory statements that could be construed as bigoted, hateful or racially offensive or comments defaming sexual orientation
In expressing your devotion to one member of Fleetwood Mac, please try to avoid belittling the accomplishments of the others.

Surely some of these posts could be regarded as trolling?
a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3] often for the troll's amusement.

I can only offer a few general insights on this since it's not my exact area of competence, however the first rules actually refer to statements pointed towards other members of the board, not members of the band.
The last is a more grey area and in fact it's assembled more as an advice than a rule. In those cases it's hard to draw a line between what constitutes a violation and what doesn't, and there's a fine line between preserving the peace and overmoderating too.
Generally the politics of this board tries to leave to members the most freedom of expression possible because it's best to exceed on the side of freedom than on the side of constraint.

lulu28 04-17-2017 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Aussie W/Heart (Post 1207218)
:shocked:These rules are broken in almost every 2nd post by the same obnoxious schoolyard pack members, & notice all the pats on back or your my new best friend after the name calling & never ending insults towards SN.. its all pretty laughable, that a few adults on here carry on like this.. :shrug:

^^^^ This exactly! Bravo!!! :xoxo:

sue 04-17-2017 08:31 AM

I'm not too sure what "snowflake" means these days..

But it's origin goes back to 1860..and was a term used for someone who was against the abolition of slavery...

lulu28 04-17-2017 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by sue (Post 1207230)
I'm not too sure what "snowflake" means these days..

But it's origin goes back to 1860..and was a term used for someone who was against the abolition of slavery...

Snowflake is a derogatory term that was and is used to describe liberals during the f'ed up presidential election fiasco. If you didn't support Trump you were deemed a snowflake. So now, haters use it for everyone who they disagree with.

Apparently, it's also used on this board as a term for anyone who calls 'fans' out on their Stevie bashing. It's just another way to be nasty. :mad:

SteveMacD 04-17-2017 08:47 AM

From Wikipedia

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Generation Snowflake, or Snowflake Generation, is a term used to characterize people who became adults in the 2000s and 2010s as being more prone to taking offence and less resilient than previous generations, or as being too emotionally vulnerable to cope with views that challenge their own. The term is considered derogatory.

sue 04-17-2017 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by lulu28 (Post 1207231)
Snowflake is a derogatory term that was and is used to describe liberals during the f'ed up presidential election fiasco. If you didn't support Trump you were deemed a snowflake. So now, haters use it for everyone who they disagree with.

Apparently, it's also used on this board as a term for anyone who calls 'fans' out on their Stevie bashing. It's just another way to be nasty. :mad:

Aaah get it....
thanks Lulu.

MoonSister75 04-17-2017 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SisterNightroad (Post 1207225)
I can only offer a few general insights on this since it's not my exact area of competence, however the first rules actually refer to statements pointed towards other members of the board, not members of the band.
The last is a more grey area and in fact it's assembled more as an advice than a rule. In those cases it's hard to draw a line between what constitutes a violation and what doesn't, and there's a fine line between preserving the peace and overmoderating too.
Generally the politics of this board tries to leave to members the most freedom of expression possible because it's best to exceed on the side of freedom than on the side of constraint.


Thanks for the explanation sisternightroad, I'm sure it can be a difficult task deciding when posts have stepped over the line, and I understand you don't want to overmoderate.
I guess we'll just have to all keep arguing then :shrug:;)

And thanks for all the explanations of the term "snowflakes". I had some idea of it's recent usage. Snowflakes really are beautiful though - I've just been looking on google images (no images of sensitive young adults on there) . We rarely get snow here, so when it does fall it's a magical event.

FuzzyPlum 04-17-2017 09:20 AM

If anyone with an interest in basic human decency is considered a 'snowflake' then...
...let it snow, let it snow, let it snow

lulu28 04-17-2017 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum (Post 1207235)
If anyone with an interest in basic human decency is considered a 'snowflake' then...
...let it snow, let it snow, let it snow

Yes, exactly!!!

MoonSister75 04-17-2017 09:39 AM

I know we are going a bit off-topic here (although it makes a change from the Stevie bashing....)

I watched a great TED talk the other day on highly sensitive people - for anyone interested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi4JOlMSWjo

It kind of turns the whole derogatory, overly sensitive snowflake thing, on its head.


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