If you are hoping for a reunion....
 

Dashut says don’t expect it. He believes this is the “last chapter in the LB/SN relationship. That LB is “never goin back again”

I really wasn’t expecting it. I could see another LBCM album, but that’s about it.

I saw Richard's post. Whether he has inside info or it's just his thoughts, it sounds like the problem was indeed Stevie and Lindsey and Stevie exerted her power over Lindsey and won. What a shame. I've lost some love I had for Stevie over this.

Stevie has ruined everything I thought Fleetwood Mac meant to me ... and Christine went along with it!

LOL
Who thinks the band has the time or effort to reunite again after a 2 year world tour? Few people even dream that. This is not 1987 where there was a new beginning and new music. This is one final tour which makes it silly to replace Lindsey at this point.
Christine barely can play and she is losing her voice. John just got over cancer for what we hope is forever. Stevie the youngest just turned 70.

What we had always thought....Stevie is to blame....and Richard's tweet just makes it more real and still so heartbreaking to me.

Now where's SugarMouse when we need him/her? Still think LB's departure is due to him refusing to tour this year?! :wavey:

I'd lose all respect for Lindsey if he went back to those IDIOTS. #f*ckem

I doubt it's going to be a two year tour if ticket sales are an indication of how many fans are feeling right now. I would be surprised if this becomes a global tour.

I don't think Richard "knows" anything. To me I read the tweet as him offering his perspective on what he thinks happened. But I could be totally wrong and maybe he does know.
Either way, I don't think anyone seriously believed this was all about a touring conflict and that there's still a chance for a reunion.

Good. Time's wasting for Lindsey to spread his wings and fly. It's really a blessing in disguise. Thanks Stevie for setting him free. Hope it's as good for you as it is for us. Now we can all move on.

Oh how I wish you were right. But that is not true. Ticket sales are pretty good. I just checked Ticketmaster and each arena is about 3/4 sold. That is excellent considering the tour does not even start for many months. In addition, the prices are higher than On With The Show. The prices are ridiculous IMHO. But all that means is they will make a fortune on this tour.

I don’t want to get into some drawn out debate, but I can tell you that your ticket sale information is flat out wrong. Boston, St Louis, San Jose, Tulsa, are all under 60% sold and even less when you learn secondary market makes up 25% of the to date house sale.

Also the majority (70-80%) of legacy bands’ arena ticket sales happen within first 10 days of general on sale date.

Airplay, popular new music, new streaming are what impact late sales. Legacy bands don’t have those attributes.

He very well may be right. However, the man is no longer a "Fleetwood Mac insider," so I'm not sure we should present what he himself characterizes as nothing more than his "opinion" as the definitive statement on the matter.

Even if he had heard it from Lindsey's own lips, though, things change and one should never say never.

But... I must admit... the odds are not good.

Still, I cling to my shred of hope.

This is all Richard's opinion on the subject, because like he said, everybody was asking about it. I don't think he has actual info.

Sadly, I think Lindsey wants a final chapter with this four a**holes, because he has spent most of his life with them and probably doesn't want anymore bad blood between them. :shrug:

What he wants and what will happen are two different things. Stevie will never allow it, unless Mick convinces her, and that will only happen if this tour fail miserably. Even though ticket sales are bad, they're not that bad to call Lindsey for help. But I also think they won't add another leg.

He’d do it for the big bag of money.

If you're looking at Ticketmaster then I think you probably got the arena map mixed up. The blue sections are the still available, not the sold. At least at the venues where I've been checking, the sales have not changed much since the beginning. Well over half is still available.

And they (Mick and Stevie, but mostly Mick) will probably call him for a bigger bag of money. Funny how you never talk about Mick and Stevie's endless love for money but you're always ready to point out Lindsey's, when we all know it's not the same amount of love.

Richard tweeted some more about it. He said he took the situation harder than anyone and that while the band may continue to work/tour, the "soul" is gone now. He said that to call it "evolving" is being kind.

https://twitter.com/richarddashut/st...595251712?s=21
https://twitter.com/richarddashut/st...190051328?s=21

I took a glance at Tulsa and St. Louis, two of the markets John Run mentioned, and grabbed a screen shot:

Tulsa

https://i.imgur.com/Wlfjaky.jpg


St. Louis

https://i.imgur.com/sfziN38.jpg


Tulsa looks almost 3/4 to me, but that's freaking opening night. St. Louis... yeah. That doesn't look so good.

Because I don’t need to. I pointed out a while ago that when given the choice between Peter Green, his mentor and hero, and money, Mick went with money. It’s nothing new. I’ve also said many times over two decades that I’ve not been a fan of Stevie since 1991. And, I’ve said all five do it for the bag of money, however, Lindsey is the one who actually said it.

Some say it with words, others say it with actions. The latter doesn't make it less true.
Stevie also said many times that she chose her musical connection with Lindsey over her happiness. In other words, she chose to stay with him because she knew he was her ticket to fame and money. No matter how many poetry you put in what you say, it still means the same.

Those are different situations. With what's happened here, I don't think Lindsey would come back regardless of how much money he could make off it and they wouldn't invite him back regardless of how much they could make off it. Too much damage was done here. Unless a miracle were to happen I don't think there's any going back from this, regardless of money.

Exactly. I'm sure some shows are selling fine but as a whole this is hands down the worst selling tour (so far) they've had in a long, long time. The LA Forum isn't even close to being sold out. And trust me, for that venue, that is RARE.

Lindsey deserves to be paid well, as do they all, and I have no doubt that money is a consideration. However, I think he cares about the legacy, too... perhaps moreso.

If someone like SteveMacD wishes to believe he does absolutely everything involved with Fleetwood Mac solely because of the money simply because in one interview he talked about doing one of those stupid festival shows for the money, that is his right.

I think such an oversimplification of a man's involvement with a group that has defined his life for decades shows a complete lack of consideration of one very important aspect: the heart is more complex than that.

I don't think Stevie used Lindsey like that, just as a "ticket" and nothing more. Stevie has said many times that she loved Lindsey, that they were like a married couple. I do think there were times when she thought about leaving him, remembered the music and stayed.... but it wasn't JUST about that. They could have worked together as platonic partners, after all. Like SteveMacD, I think you are oversimplifying the complexities of the heart.

They sold out 5 LA Forum on their last tour. But hey, this is a new band, as Mick so colorfully likes to say it. :D

I'm just quoting her, that's all. She said she chose her musical connection with Lindsey over her happiness. So she was unhappy but hey, the "musical connection" was so great she chose to suffer in silence! No one does that unless they know something good will come out of it.

She also said she loved him "for the right reasons". That was directed at Kristen, but all I know is that she's still by his side when all she has done recently for Lindsey was firing him.

I find it very hard to believe she fired him just because she loves him.

Out of curiosity, I did a little sampling - with a few exceptions like Chicago, NYC, and Phoenix, sales seem pretty to be pretty much what John Run was talking about... except for the South. They seem to be selling well in the Deep South, for the most part. Maybe it's because so many big acts only come to Atlanta and Nashville, and therefore when Fleetwood Mac does come to places like Birmingham and NOLA, it's going to sell well regardless.

I don't think anyone was asking you to believe that.

Perspective
 

Surely most would agree that this is like being in 1987 and trying to talk about the potential for a Dance reunion in 1997. It's simply "too soon" to address the probabilities of various hypotheticals. Look what happened between 1987 and 1997--playing for POTUS, addiction turnarounds... the world changes, the individuals change (somewhat), so anything could happen.

On the question of whether some sort of reunion/resolution between LB and FM/SN should be something that eventually happens--my answer would be: whatever they (particularly Lindsey) can live with. If circumstances conspire and he deigns to reconnect with them again because that would ultimately be easier for him to live with than carrying around a grudge, then good for him. There's the view that the others are already suffering some solid punishment for their decision (squirming in the awkward interviews, apparently floundering to fill arenas, enduring fan backlash).

Whilst she may have said she stayed with LB longer than she wished due to their musical connection, it's not fair to assume she never loved him at all. There's clear evidence and other interviews she has given that supports this.

I don't think she loves him now and that is certainly not the reason I think she went out and fired him...more likely jealousy, resentment, grief over TP, selfishness, narcissism to name a few

Oh well
 

Nice try, Stevie and Mick.

Looks like you won't be needing the sound of crickets to be pre-recorded this time.

And that was probably the least important part of my post. Or the one I couldn’t care less about. You brought out the “complexities of the heart”, not me. IMO she has been trashing him for the past 20 years. Until she finally got what she wanted. End of the story.

What clear evidence?

How could Richard misspell Lindsey’s name?

Nancy - One correction to what I wrote. My intention was to write Louisville, not Tulsa. Had Tulsa Time on my mind....Overall premise remains unchanged. Ticket sales are below expectations for many cities regardless of date or region. There are exceptions, such as Chicago, New Orleans, etc. However, generally this is trending to not be a disaster, all the guarantees will be met, no one will lose big, but there will be no incentive to add 2nd dates, or 2nd or 3rd routings / legs like On With the show or Say You Will.

I'd like to briefly bring Christine into this discussion.

Although I'm disappointed in her staying with Mick and Fleetsham Mac, I understand why she made the choice. Mick and John have been part of her life since she was in her early 20s. Mick, for all his shortcomings, remained her friend during her retirement, and was the one who helped her get on board that first airplane flight when she came out of retirement. This is the band in which she belongs. I am sure she is not happy that Lindsey, her creative partner and friend, is gone. But she is probably thinking the same that many on this board have expressed: that she is not getting any younger, and if she wants one last crack at the mega-touring experience, this is it.

All that being said, what I want out of this debacle is for Christine and Lindsey to work together again after the Sham tour is over. I am hoping for a BuckVie II, in other words. I honestly do not want a reunion of the five fireflies. When Stevie got Lindsey fired, she burned that bridge down to the ground.

Well said. I harbor no ill will towards Christine. I would love to see BuckVie II. For that matter, I would love to see Lindsey form his own band. Not just a solo thing with session musicians, but a real live band. He's got enough years left in him to be a relevant creative force. The others have been relegated to elevator music with their new incarnation.

Louisville... wow. Yikes. There are far more like that than the few exceptions, and I appreciate your expertise.

While I'm unsurprised they're not facing disaster - there are still many people who want to hear Fleetwood Mac no matter what - I must admit I take satisfaction from their underperformance. Serves them right, I say.

I hope Stevie feels embarrassment about this (I doubt she cares too much about the money, as she has plenty, and a shorter tour just means she can dance around her apartment sooner). She doesn't like playing to smaller crowds - hence all these joint tours she does so she can still play arenas. This will still be a large crowd, but she will see a lot of empty seats at a lot of shows. She won't like that.

Plus, I really do feel like Stevie might find she misses the drama onstage she had with Lindsey. I can't imagine it will be nearly as much fun to perform with someone she barely knows (Finn) and she can't sing to Mike Campbell as if he were a former lover. That would look ridiculous. No more "on stage, we are in love again" moments. No "Without You" reminiscing. It's just going to feel like a solo show with some guests for her (three guests from FM, one guest from Crowded House, one guest from the Heartbreakers). It will not feel like anything special. Thus, I hope if they do another tour, she will give in and allow Mick to call Lindsey.

Again, I realize my chances are slim.

Forgiveness is healing; grudges are the biggest burden to the one that carries them. It would be freeing for Lindsey to let it go.

Ooh, now that's a BURN, my friend!

Nice picture, lol.

I am really wondering how she will cope with the "mentionitis" She can't help herself. It will happen and it will probably be awkward. I hope it's captured somewhere so we can all enjoy it!