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Wdm6789 03-16-2021 11:00 AM

So who owns the rights to the Buckingham Nicks album?
 
Didn’t Stevie and Lindsey sell their publishing rights or something? Who owns Buckingham Nicks now? Will that album ever get released like on Spotify and iTunes?

UnwindedDreams 03-16-2021 11:16 AM

This is what Stevie said in October 2020 before she did the $100million:
"I think it should be released. It should just be polished up a little bit. I don’t think it should be remixed. I think it should just go out the way it was mixed when we released it. I hope it happens. Owning ‘Buckingham Nicks’ between me and Lindsey is like owning an old Mercedes. One person says, ‘let’s release it!’ and the other person goes, ‘I don’t wanna let it go.’ And then three years later it’s the other way around. That’s what’s been happening with ‘Buckingham Nicks’ since 1975!”

jbrownsjr 03-17-2021 07:55 AM

There will be a whole reconvening of organic money very soon. And, we will finally see this as a deluxe release. It will be profound, circular and bring in a lot of cash.

jmn3 03-17-2021 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1265465)
There will be a whole reconvening of organic money very soon. And, we will finally see this as a deluxe release. It will be profound, circular and bring in a lot of cash.

Sounds very cyclical.

jbrownsjr 03-17-2021 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jmn3 (Post 1265467)
Sounds very cyclical.

Well, ya know, Stevie likes that sort of attention. :lol:

HomerMcvie 03-17-2021 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1265465)
There will be a whole reconvening of organic money very soon. And, we will finally see this as a deluxe release. It will be profound, circular and bring in a lot of cash.

IDK. Unless old Dick finds a way to milk it, it probably won't happen.

jbrownsjr 03-17-2021 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1265470)
IDK. Unless old Dick finds a way to milk it, it probably won't happen.

You underestimate the goat power. :wavey:

HomerMcvie 03-17-2021 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1265471)
You underestimate the goat power. :wavey:

I don't think $he really gives AF.:shrug:

jbrownsjr 03-17-2021 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1265472)
I don't think $he really gives AF.:shrug:

Being a controlling dishonest entitled ego centered wind bag? Oh, you underestimate her still!! I curse you Homer!!! :xoxo:

David 03-17-2021 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1265465)
There will be a whole reconvening of organic money very soon. And, we will finally see this as a deluxe release. It will be profound, circular and bring in a lot of cash.

I bet it won’t generate much revenue. I bet a lot of people feel the way I do — I don’t care whether they ever release it, on CD, on colored vinyl, on Morse Code, or on the Tablets of Hammurabi. It’s been fifty years and everyone who ever wanted to hear it has heard it and it’s all over YouTube and probably even Pandora and Spotify.

It’s not even really all that good. I guess it’s most impressive for its acoustic guitar work. It’s nice, pleasant chug-a-lug hippie music. But it has this absolutely weird incantatory power over people when they talk about it — the same people who probably haven’t listened to any Buckingham or Nicks solo albums since 1981. Lindsey is wrong when he says that the music on Rumours doesn’t warrant all the hoopla. He should be talking about Buckingham Nicks!

Macfan4life 03-17-2021 01:58 PM

I will make a prediction. Flame me or praise me in a few years if it happens. I do think it will be released and it will be a springboard to bring Lindsey back into the band and Stevie will say all that "water under the bridge" stuff. Mick will love it because it will promote their farewell tour even more. He may even get 4 more meet and greets per show out of this one. The band and Buckingham Nicks will then have gone full circle. Dont let me down again will be played again with Stevie introducing it as her father's favorite song.

Is anyone writing this down?

jbrownsjr 03-17-2021 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 1265474)
I bet it won’t generate much revenue. I bet a lot of people feel the way I do — I don’t care whether they ever release it, on CD, on colored vinyl, on Morse Code, or on the Tablets of Hammurabi. It’s been fifty years and everyone who ever wanted to hear it has heard it and it’s all over YouTube and probably even Pandora and Spotify.

It’s not even really all that good. I guess it’s most impressive for its acoustic guitar work. It’s nice, pleasant chug-a-lug hippie music. But it has this absolutely weird incantatory power over people when they talk about it — the same people who probably haven’t listened to any Buckingham or Nicks solo albums since 1981. Lindsey is wrong when he says that the music on Rumours doesn’t warrant all the hoopla. He should be talking about Buckingham Nicks!

I agree with the selling part. Nobody cares about that album except ledgies and some other diehards. (Well maybe not you.) I give it a solid B. I think it actually has some intonation problems in spots. (Unless, I have a bad copy where the tape slowed down). But otherwise, I see why it didn't sell millions and agree with your above assessment.

I think in 1974-1978, the Brits gave Stevie and Lindsey something to focus on other then themselves for 5 minutes. Even a naked album cover couldn't put them on the map.

Well at least until Bella Donna and Tusk came along and that "focus" went away, too. The Brits were so tired, drunk and high by then; they let those two go back to obsessing about themselves, and hating each other.

HomerMcvie 03-17-2021 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1265476)
I will make a prediction. Flame me or praise me in a few years if it happens. I do think it will be released and it will be a springboard to bring Lindsey back into the band and Stevie will say all that "water under the bridge" stuff. Mick will love it because it will promote their farewell tour even more. He may even get 4 more meet and greets per show out of this one. The band and Buckingham Nicks will then have gone full circle. Dont let me down again will be played again with Stevie introducing it as her father's favorite song.

Is anyone writing this down?

If he ever goes back, I'm DONE. He will come across as being a TOTAL WUSS. And then there will be(duh) no doubt who the boss is. Not the guitar player with his weenie all shriveled up and tucked away in $tevie's purse.

Um dude, you just wrote it down!:woohoo:

I seriously doubt it would sell more than a few copies. No one(or not enough people) gives a sh*t about a 50yo album. Maybe 20K copies? That ain't enough to satisfy that "controlling dishonest entitled ego centered wind bag"(thanks jbrownsjr).:lol::lol::lol:

AnthonyMI 03-17-2021 03:38 PM

The time to release that album was 1997 at the height of the Fleetwood Mac craze boom. CD sales were still stable, Napster had not been invented yet, and there was no streaming other than RealPlayer (yuck!)

I suppose Rhino could release it as a physical copy or maybe they can give it “the works” and make a Vinyl box set with a CD of all the demos and CoffeePlant recordings. It wont sell a lot though. Its best bet is streaming on Apple and Spotify and maybe generating SOME income.

michelej1 03-17-2021 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1265478)
Even a naked album cover couldn't put them on the map.

Remaster and release the outtakes from the photo session.

lbfan 03-17-2021 05:12 PM

Publishing Rights
 
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Originally Posted by Wdm6789 (Post 1265450)
Didn’t Stevie and Lindsey sell their publishing rights or something? Who owns Buckingham Nicks now? Will that album ever get released like on Spotify and iTunes?

If both Stevie and Lindsey sold the majority interest of their past catalogs, wouldn’t the decision to re-release BN rest solely with those two companies?

HomerMcvie 03-17-2021 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lbfan (Post 1265488)
If both Stevie and Lindsey sold the majority interest of their past catalogs, wouldn’t the decision to re-release BN rest solely with those two companies?

You would certainly think so. I guess it's up to them if the cost is worth the risk if it only sells a few thousand copies. It wouldn't be that different than releasing Time or BTM.

I'm sure they didn't buy the catalogs because they're super fans! It's an investment. Investors don't like bad business moves...

jmn3 03-17-2021 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AnthonyMI (Post 1265481)
The time to release that album was 1997 at the height of the Fleetwood Mac craze boom. CD sales were still stable, Napster had not been invented yet, and there was no streaming other than RealPlayer (yuck!)

I suppose Rhino could release it as a physical copy or maybe they can give it “the works” and make a Vinyl box set with a CD of all the demos and CoffeePlant recordings. It wont sell a lot though. Its best bet is streaming on Apple and Spotify and maybe generating SOME income.

I’ve said for years that it should’ve been re-released in 1998. Once Chris left and sort of derailed any thought of continuing The Dance tour they should’ve “celebrated” the BN 25th anniversary and rereleased it. And ideally done some shows as Buckingham Nicks (with Mick and John). The momentum was then and really only then. It was ideal timing and would’ve allowed them to continue off the 1997 momentum despite Chris’s retirement. Since then I’d say any major interest in it would be pretty limited.

jbrownsjr 03-17-2021 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 1265483)
Remaster and release the outtakes from the photo session.

They could possibly find a niche and really promote this. If there was a tour behind it, it would really sell with the deluxe version.

BTW, you've seen the outtakes of the naked photos, no?

UnwindedDreams 03-17-2021 08:16 PM

I think the cover should be reshot and with a new partner "Nicks Finn"!

I don't see it getting rereleased. Anyone can get it. It's harder to get a copy of Time than BN!

UnwindedDreams 03-17-2021 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1265491)
If there was a tour behind it, it would really sell with the deluxe version.

Remember when Stevie told RollingStone she wanted to tour Buckingham Nicks during the 2013 FM tour break from July - September:laugh:

HomerMcvie 03-17-2021 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1265492)
I think the cover should be reshot and with a new partner "Nicks Finn"!

I don't see it getting rereleased. Anyone can get it. It's harder to get a copy of Time than BN!

NOOOOO!!!!! That's too many wrinkles for any camera. Can you imagine those saggy bodies on the cover? Even though $tevie, of course, hasn't had any work done...:D

I don't think it'll happen, either.

I regularly see BTM, SYW, and even Time in my used media store. Those three are usually $1.95. Even the Bob Welch years are $9.00. What does that say???

michelej1 03-17-2021 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1265491)
They could possibly find a niche and really promote this. If there was a tour behind it, it would really sell with the deluxe version.

BTW, you've seen the outtakes of the naked photos, no?

Have I? I don’t even remember. What about that blouse that she spent a week’s salary on. It is funny that she thought the blouse would be do beautiful that no one would ask her to take it off. As if men think that way! No offense to you, men, but ...

SteveMacD 03-17-2021 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by AnthonyMI (Post 1265481)
The time to release that album was 1997 at the height of the Fleetwood Mac craze boom. CD sales were still stable, Napster had not been invented yet, and there was no streaming other than RealPlayer (yuck!)

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Originally Posted by jmn3 (Post 1265490)
I’ve said for years that it should’ve been re-released in 1998. Once Chris left and sort of derailed any thought of continuing The Dance tour they should’ve “celebrated” the BN 25th anniversary and rereleased it. And ideally done some shows as Buckingham Nicks (with Mick and John). The momentum was then and really only then. It was ideal timing and would’ve allowed them to continue off the 1997 momentum despite Chris’s retirement. Since then I’d say any major interest in it would be pretty limited.

My thought was it should have been reissued in 1996. Fleetwood Mac, Lindsey, and Stevie were all mostly inactive at that point, at least publicly, but there was a buzz for a reunion. Reissuing the album with some demos, outtakes, and “Twisted,” would have generated even more buzz.

HomerMcvie 03-18-2021 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1265499)
My thought was it should have been reissued in 1996. Fleetwood Mac, Lindsey, and Stevie were all mostly inactive at that point, at least publicly, but there was a buzz for a reunion. Reissuing the album with some demos, outtakes, and “Twisted,” would have generated even more buzz.

But they were pretty much dead at that point. Post Dance would have been their best opportunity for marketing. Not that they know ANYTHING about marketing.

Macfan4life 03-18-2021 01:52 AM

I think it will be re-released for its 50th anniversary in just a few years which also will be the swan song for Fleetwood Mac. Very short goodbye tour with very high prices. Even Mick's meet and greet will go up in price and give you fewer stickers.

HomerMcvie 03-18-2021 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1265501)
I think it will be re-released for its 50th anniversary in just a few years which also will be the swan song for Fleetwood Mac. Very short goodbye tour with very high prices. Even Mick's meet and greet will go up in price and give you fewer stickers.

I hope they all live long enough for a swan song(which WAS BuckVie). I'm not much on betting these days. Especially at their ages.

Meet Mick? I'd pay $5 if I could kick him in the cashew nuts. The dumbest man in R&R history.

sue 03-18-2021 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1265502)
I hope they all live long enough for a swan song(which WAS BuckVie). I'm not much on betting these days. Especially at their ages.

Meet Mick? I'd pay $5 if I could kick him in the cashew nuts. The dumbest man in R&R history.

Stevie is practising twirls in her power chair as we speak...

jbrownsjr 03-18-2021 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sue (Post 1265505)
Stevie is practising twirls in her power chair as we speak...

Haha!! Good one. I'd love it if Sharon wheeled her around in a wheel chair for the GDW crack dance.

aleuzzi 03-18-2021 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 1265474)

It’s not even really all that good. I guess it’s most impressive for its acoustic guitar work. It’s nice, pleasant chug-a-lug hippie music. But it has this absolutely weird incantatory power over people when they talk about it — the same people who probably haven’t listened to any Buckingham or Nicks solo albums since 1981. Lindsey is wrong when he says that the music on Rumours doesn’t warrant all the hoopla. He should be talking about Buckingham Nicks!

I feel this way, too. This classic album isn’t a classic. There is an intriguing blend of electric and acoustic guitars, and vibrant if not yet wholly matured vocals. But the album doesn’t really cohere. Most of the songs are underwhelming and supported by an undistinguished rhythm section. Only “Frozen Love” merits the hype. It’s also the only song that feels truly collaborative.

HomerMcvie 03-18-2021 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by sue (Post 1265505)
Stevie is practising twirls in her power chair as we speak...

$he's mastered the joystick! Wheeeeeee!!!!!



"Karen....it's stuck.....KAREN........KKKAAARRREEEEENNNNNNNNN!!!!!!"

:lol::lol::lol:

UnwindedDreams 03-18-2021 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1265495)
NOOOOO!!!!! That's too many wrinkles for any camera. Can you imagine those saggy bodies on the cover?

Not even for a chiseled Neil?:laugh: I think she's got a thing for Harry Styles.

I don't see Stevie on a power chair but I think the frankenboks will return!

BombaySapphire3 03-18-2021 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1265508)
I feel this way, too. This classic album isn’t a classic. There is an intriguing blend of electric and acoustic guitars, and vibrant if not yet wholly matured vocals. But the album doesn’t really cohere. Most of the songs are underwhelming and supported by an undistinguished rhythm section. Only “Frozen Love” merits the hype. It’s also the only song that feels truly collaborative.

"Don't Let Me Down Again" is pretty solid songwriting that just needed a stronger bass and drums so is "Crystal" but yeah if a nude photo of one the most striking young couples in rock history couldn't sell it.:shrug: You could tell there was something there it just hadn't galvanized yet until they joined up with Fleetwood and the Mcvies then you had the aural equivalent of the old Reese's peanut butter cup ad where someone trips and their chocolate bar falls into someone else's peanut butter jar.

jbrownsjr 03-18-2021 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3 (Post 1265515)
"Don't Let Me Down Again" is pretty solid songwriting that just needed a stronger bass and drums so is "Crystal" but yeah if a nude photo of one the most striking young couples in rock history couldn't sell it.:shrug: You could tell there was something there it just hadn't galvanized yet until they joined up with Fleetwood and the Mcvies then you had the aural equivalent of the old Reese's peanut butter cup ad where someone trips and their chocolate bar falls into someone else's peanut butter jar.

Haha!! Great analogy. Crystal is a shining example of the depth the brits give the song. And they make B/N so much better, too. It's truly a chemistry/magic thing. Mick, John and Christine truly shine on Crystal.

aleuzzi 03-18-2021 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3 (Post 1265515)
"Don't Let Me Down Again" is pretty solid songwriting that just needed a stronger bass and drums so is "Crystal" but yeah if a nude photo of one the most striking young couples in rock history couldn't sell it.:shrug: You could tell there was something there it just hadn't galvanized yet until they joined up with Fleetwood and the Mcvies then you had the aural equivalent of the old Reese's peanut butter cup ad where someone trips and their chocolate bar falls into someone else's peanut butter jar.

I completely agree with Jbrownsjr—your analogy is great. Musically, Fleetwood and the McVies had a heavy, fat sound. That sound would have fleshed out Don’t Let Me Down Again and a song like Long Distance Winner. Crystal is a well-written song, and the instrumental treatment it gets on the white album is fantastic. But I’ve never been a fan of the vocals on either version. I might have preferred if they’d gone the CSNY route and sang it together...

jbrownsjr 03-18-2021 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1265530)
I completely agree with Jbrownsjr—your analogy is great. Musically, Fleetwood and the McVies had a heavy, fat sound. That sound is was would have fleshed out Don’t Let Me Down Again and a song like Long Distance Winner. Crystal is a well-written song, and the instrumental treatment it gets on the white album is fantastic. But I’ve never been a fan of the vocals on either version. I might have preferred if they’d gone the CSNY route and sang it together...

I love the vocals. I'm so glad Lindsey took lead on this one. The recording of the vocals are so much better than the B/N album, too. Plus, the harmonies at the end give me goose bumps.

I would love to hear Long Distance Winner recorded by Fleetwood Mac. What a treat that would be. Especially, at that time when the egos where oh so small.

BombaySapphire3 03-19-2021 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1265516)
Haha!! Great analogy. Crystal is a shining example of the depth the brits give the song. And they make B/N so much better, too. It's truly a chemistry/magic thing. Mick, John and Christine truly shine on Crystal.

It still amazes how such seemingly disparate people had such an instant chemistry. It did seem like magic and few in rock history had such a seamless transition. I'd compare it to the concurrent addition of Michael McDonald to The Doobies . I always thought that his smooth and jazzy blue eyed soul sat rather uneasily next to the established meat and potatoes roots rock of that band. I guess that they thought so too as they were preparing to call it quits just before " What a Fool Believes " became a surprise smash.

Street_Dreamer 03-19-2021 12:03 PM

Crystal really is a magical song that. Kind of off topic but I happened on this version which kind of took the song in a different direction for me than what it's been for me. https://open.spotify.com/track/0JRpK...27b9c78842445e

UnwindedDreams 03-21-2021 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1265495)
I regularly see BTM, SYW, and even Time in my used media store. Those three are usually $1.95. Even the Bob Welch years are $9.00. What does that say???

Today I was in a music store and a new Behind the Mask cd and Say You Will cd were $1.99.

Time is an Easter Egg!

David 03-22-2021 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1265645)
Time is an Easter Egg!

I can’t even find my copy anymore! Thank goodness for Spotify.


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