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ryan4136 11-18-2018 07:17 PM

Apparently a settlement offer has been sent LBs way
 
KB has alluded on Twitter that the band is attempting to settle rather than go to court. While not surprising it does go against the strong talk initially made by the band.

elle 11-18-2018 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ryan4136 (Post 1244076)
KB has alluded on Twitter that the band is attempting to settle rather than go to court. While not surprising it does go against the strong talk initially made by the band.

right, people were discussing in the other thread what KB's tweet may mean, and seems the consensus is that the band offered to settle.

here's that tweet again, to have it all contained in a single thread:



michelej1 11-18-2018 09:00 PM

Oh my goodness. Big lies, little love. That's beautiful.

Listen, I had endless fun mocking Kristen's pear display in the past, but she has really gained my admiration.

I realize that a settlement with BOTH sides agreeing not to disparage the other is good for everyone involved. They should negotiate this and keep everything confidential. That is the logical thing to do, BUT I can't deny that I will feel a tad of disappointment when that happens. I wanted a cathartic airing.

Michele

dreamsunwind 11-18-2018 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 1244091)
Oh my goodness. Big lies, little love. That's beautiful.

Listen, I had endless fun mocking Kristen's pear display in the past, but she has really gained my admiration.

I realize that a settlement with BOTH sides agreeing not to disparage the other is good for everyone involved. They should negotiate this and keep everything confidential. That is the logical thing to do, BUT I can't deny that I will feel a tad of disappointment when that happens. I wanted a cathartic airing.

Michele

I agree. I get why someone in his position would want to sue. Not only were you done dirty by people you've known for decades, but you were denied a huge chunk of cash that I'm sure would've been very helpful for a family with a bunch of college-age kids.
But I still kinda wish it hadn't happened.

Fannymac 11-19-2018 02:01 AM

My main hope is that a settlement would at least lift the ban on communication between Lindsey and the others.....I'm sure all the bridges with Mick, Stevie and, maybe, John have been burned, but I'm hoping both the silence and lawsuit were things that had to include everyone, more likely not by choice, and that Lindsey and Christine can renew their musical friend/partnership.

Macfan4life 11-19-2018 05:33 AM

No surprise. I predicted this on the board day one. Most of these cases settle. We probably will never know the amount but I will guess. My hunch is 7-8 million range. After lawyers Lindsey will walk away with about 5-7 million.
I do expect everyone to go silent during the settlement talks. On Lindsey's tour, after the lawsuit was announced, Lindsey did not even say the words Fleetwood Mac on stage.

ryan4136 11-19-2018 08:27 AM

The sooner they settle the sooner we can get to the inevitable reunion cash grab show of epic proportions.

Fleetwood Mac sells out the Grand Canyon for 3 consecutive nights in 2020.

HomerMcvie 11-19-2018 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ryan4136 (Post 1244136)
The sooner they settle the sooner we can get to the inevitable reunion cash grab show of epic proportions.

Fleetwood Mac sells out the Grand Canyon for 3 consecutive nights in 2020.

I'd lose all respect for him if he ever went back again. F*ck them. The lot of them.

They're getting too old for us to wait for a reunion, THAT NOW SHOULDN'T HAPPEN. One of them is going to die, anyway.

Feather Blade 11-19-2018 11:57 AM

Are we sure a settlement is what that rather cryptic tweet was a reference to? Could potentially be a lot of things: motion to dismiss, continuance, rescheduling a court date etc. Perhaps someone around here knows the ins and outs of the CA court system and could let us know if there is any updated information on where the suit stands currently.

gldstwmn 11-19-2018 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Feather Blade (Post 1244148)
Are we sure a settlement is what that rather cryptic tweet was a reference to? Could potentially be a lot of things: motion to dismiss, continuance, rescheduling a court date etc. Perhaps someone around here knows the ins and outs of the CA court system and could let us know if there is any updated information on where the suit stands currently.

Yes. Like I said is the case still on the docket? If so then this is nothing more than hot air right now.

sands of time 11-19-2018 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1244129)
No surprise. I predicted this on the board day one. Most of these cases settle. We probably will never know the amount but I will guess. My hunch is 7-8 million range. After lawyers Lindsey will walk away with about 5-7 million.
I do expect everyone to go silent during the settlement talks. On Lindsey's tour, after the lawsuit was announced, Lindsey did not even say the words Fleetwood Mac on stage.

He did in Austin.

jeets2000 11-19-2018 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Feather Blade (Post 1244148)
Are we sure a settlement is what that rather cryptic tweet was a reference to? Could potentially be a lot of things: motion to dismiss, continuance, rescheduling a court date etc. Perhaps someone around here knows the ins and outs of the CA court system and could let us know if there is any updated information on where the suit stands currently.

And of course just because there may or may not be an offer on the table doesn't mean it's a good one. I have to imagine they would try to low-ball him at first. My guess is this thing is probably still far from settled, but hopefully we're on the right track.

Tango 11-19-2018 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1244141)
I'd lose all respect for him if he ever went back again. F*ck them. The lot of them.

They're getting too old for us to wait for a reunion, THAT NOW SHOULDN'T HAPPEN. One of them is going to die, anyway.

Well, Mr. Happy, they are all going to die. :laugh: Us too.

bombaysaffires 11-19-2018 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jeets2000 (Post 1244165)
And of course just because there may or may not be an offer on the table doesn't mean it's a good one. I have to imagine they would try to low-ball him at first. My guess is this thing is probably still far from settled, but hopefully we're on the right track.

yes, it seems like it would be a stretch to think her tweet indicates everything is fully and finally settled, but rather that the process itself is going on in a manner that is contradictory to what the band had publicly declared, i.e. that it's not coming down to a day (figuratively) in court but rather ongoing negotiations between the parties. "Can't we settled this outside of court?"

mylittledemon 11-19-2018 05:31 PM

I haven't commented too much on this whole fiasco, as I've lost a fair bit of respect for the band's management skills. I wish beyond hope that they would somehow put all this aside, hug one another, and truly apologise and forgive each other... and welcome Lindsey back into the fray. I don't see how that could be (I mean hey, Chris came back and it always seemed somewhat possible for her to do so)… but this scenario feels like it's gone too far and that Lindsey would never return to the ranks. :(

HomerMcvie 11-19-2018 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tango (Post 1244168)
Well, Mr. Happy, they are all going to die. :laugh: Us too.

I'm merely stating the obvious.

The band of my life is nearing the end, so how much longer did we have, anyway? Well, maybe a (very) few years? But someone f*cked that up. It's going to be too late, now.

Thanks a lot, Old Goat Breath.

DownOnRodeo 11-19-2018 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires (Post 1244171)
yes, it seems like it would be a stretch to think her tweet indicates everything is fully and finally settled, but rather that the process itself is going on in a manner that is contradictory to what the band had publicly declared, i.e. that it's not coming down to a day (figuratively) in court but rather ongoing negotiations between the parties. "Can't we settled this outside of court?"

I see the motivation behind the tweet as being a deserved response to the obnoxious "We look forward to our day in court" statement, a statement that (even though it was most certainly contrived by the lawyers with zero input from actual band members) implied a clear subtext of not only "We are in the right and he is in the wrong" but also "Lindsey is a liar." Even if the statement was a standard flourish for litigation tactics, the message it sent to the world served as yet another misrepresentation and denegration of Lindsey's position (just like Stevie's fake news broadcast on national TV in saying that "one of us wanted to wait a year" to go on the road).

Buster 11-19-2018 07:04 PM

Whatever it is, it’s another sad moment in the disgraceful end of the band.

The fact they couldn’t get it together to give fans the gift of a final tour continues to blow my mind.

secondhandchain 11-19-2018 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1244141)
I'd lose all respect for him if he ever went back again. F*ck them. The lot of them.

They're getting too old for us to wait for a reunion, THAT NOW SHOULDN'T HAPPEN. One of them is going to die, anyway.

I do not want them to ever re unite. It's getting to be a joke. Christine's voice is more then shot now, sorry to say. Stevie and Lindsey can still hold their own on stage but after this tour is over it would be another few years (if they were to reconcile and I don't see that happening) and they would be in their 80's. JUST NO

secondhandchain 11-19-2018 07:23 PM

Which means they KNOW they are totally in the wrong and Lindsey did NOTHING to deserve this. This was goat/tambourine breaths final power play.

elle 11-19-2018 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Fannymac (Post 1244124)
My main hope is that a settlement would at least lift the ban on communication between Lindsey and the others.....I'm sure all the bridges with Mick, Stevie and, maybe, John have been burned, but I'm hoping both the silence and lawsuit were things that had to include everyone, more likely not by choice, and that Lindsey and Christine can renew their musical friend/partnership.

i think John's email response to him was actually a respectable thing to do. he answered, and basically gave him a heads up. so LB and John i don't think will have a real problem. and it sounds like he and Chris won't either.

with Mick and Stevie, seems like it will depend on them. i will probably never understand how forgiving LB can be towards them. i guess therapy, meditation, etc help a lot. i'll stay angry for him! :lol:

elle 11-19-2018 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1244129)
No surprise. I predicted this on the board day one. Most of these cases settle. We probably will never know the amount but I will guess. My hunch is 7-8 million range. After lawyers Lindsey will walk away with about 5-7 million.
I do expect everyone to go silent during the settlement talks. On Lindsey's tour, after the lawsuit was announced, Lindsey did not even say the words Fleetwood Mac on stage.

he didn't say them before it was announced either.

audiences are doing good job for him though! :woohoo:

button-lip 11-19-2018 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Fannymac (Post 1244124)
My main hope is that a settlement would at least lift the ban on communication between Lindsey and the others.....I'm sure all the bridges with Mick, Stevie and, maybe, John have been burned, but I'm hoping both the silence and lawsuit were things that had to include everyone, more likely not by choice, and that Lindsey and Christine can renew their musical friend/partnership.

I think John is less guilty in all this mess than Christine. At least he answered Lindsey's calls. She should have answered too and told him she wasn't allowed to talk instead of playing innocent on that CBS interview saying: "I didn't know what was going on. I was in England".

elle 11-19-2018 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jeets2000 (Post 1244165)
And of course just because there may or may not be an offer on the table doesn't mean it's a good one. I have to imagine they would try to low-ball him at first. My guess is this thing is probably still far from settled, but hopefully we're on the right track.

yup, that's the most logical.

yes it's still on the docket.

elle 11-19-2018 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires (Post 1244171)
yes, it seems like it would be a stretch to think her tweet indicates everything is fully and finally settled, but rather that the process itself is going on in a manner that is contradictory to what the band had publicly declared, i.e. that it's not coming down to a day (figuratively) in court but rather ongoing negotiations between the parties. "Can't we settled this outside of court?"

yup, exactly. that's all that tweet is saying.

except to people who are willingly putting their heads in the sand - or trying to convince others they should :lol:. KB tweet is a reply to that FM publicist statement they issued saying "we deny everything! we will see you in court!"

apparently they stopped denying real fast. :thumbsup:

Storms123 11-19-2018 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1244198)
yup, exactly. that's all that tweet is saying.

except to people who are willingly putting their heads in the sand - or trying to convince others they should :lol:. KB tweet is a reply to that FM publicist statement they issued saying "we deny everything! we will see you in court!"

apparently they stopped denying real fast
. :thumbsup:

Tough to deny when they are stepping in it every time they opened their mouths. But you are so right Elle. I think I am in the minority, but I do hold Christine as accountable as the rest of them. Although LB's comment that she was fragile is interesting, she's a big girl, playing in the big leagues, she needs to own this. John doesn't speak so it is what it is. Stevie and Mick will own it. Oh they will spin a tale that GPS and The Scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz collectively couldn't help you follow, but they will own it. This is the band of my life. If it wasn't so sad, I'd be lapping the drama up. But I can't. It really is disgusting.

Jondalar 11-19-2018 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1244184)
I'm merely stating the obvious.

The band of my life is nearing the end, so how much longer did we have, anyway? Well, maybe a (very) few years? But someone f*cked that up. It's going to be too late, now.

Thanks a lot, Old Goat Breath.

LOL!!!!!! She was a moron. To end it this way is wrong and awlful.

HomerMcvie 11-19-2018 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar (Post 1244208)
LOL!!!!!! She was a moron. To end it this way is wrong and awlful.

It's the worst way.

I'll bet she has no idea how much she f*cked up the ending of the band that many of us have followed our entire lives. She doesn't care. She's the boss.

May she get terminal cooter itch! :p

louielouie2000 11-19-2018 10:14 PM

Okay, where did I miss that John had communicated with Lindsey and that Lindsey called Christine fragile? Like Brandon, I’ve been severely limiting my Mac news these days.

I know it’s my hopeless romantic nature, but I see a crack of hope in these developments. Stevie has shown her dominance, Lindsey has gotten his break from the cash grab, and undeniably all have experienced a paradigm shift. Certainly could make for one blowout farewell tour... almost so perfect as to be planned. Certainly shakes off the staleness that had set in!

Hawkeye 11-19-2018 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by secondhandchain (Post 1244191)
Which means they KNOW they are totally in the wrong and Lindsey did NOTHING to deserve this. This was goat/tambourine breaths final power play.

How does one have tambourine breath?

Street_Dreamer 11-19-2018 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye (Post 1244211)
How does one have tambourine breath?

Well goats are known to eat tin cans so a tambourine isn't a stretch.

Storms123 11-19-2018 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by louielouie2000 (Post 1244210)
Okay, where did I miss that John had communicated with Lindsey and that Lindsey called Christine fragile? Like Brandon, I’ve been severely limiting my Mac news these days.

I know it’s my hopeless romantic nature, but I see a crack of hope in these developments. Stevie has shown her dominance, Lindsey has gotten his break from the cash grab, and undeniably all have experienced a paradigm shift. Certainly could make for one blowout farewell tour... almost so perfect as to be planned. Certainly shakes off the staleness that had set in!

It was in the lawsuit.

mylittledemon 11-19-2018 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by louielouie2000 (Post 1244210)

I know it’s my hopeless romantic nature, but I see a crack of hope in these developments. Stevie has shown her dominance, Lindsey has gotten his break from the cash grab, and undeniably all have experienced a paradigm shift. Certainly could make for one blowout farewell tour... almost so perfect as to be planned. Certainly shakes off the staleness that had set in!

Didn't Lindsey's lawsuit say he was capable of performing? Maybe that's what he has asked for... to return to work.

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secondhandchain 11-20-2018 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye (Post 1244211)
How does one have tambourine breath?

I don't know but I bet the old goat has it!

bombaysaffires 11-20-2018 02:52 AM

I'm still unclear just what LB meant when he described Christine as "fragile"...

Stuff with her hands and the erosion of her voice make the idea that he means physically fragile seem like a real possiblility... Also Stevie telling her she needs to get a trainer and all that if she really wanted to come back is a bit more interesting in light of the word "fragile"... but stamina-wise it would seem Chris has been holding up, I mean she did a whole tour with LB and now again with FM.... which brings it back to being reference to her voice and ability to play onstage (which is different to playing in a studio)...:shrug:

If he means something else, like emotionally fragile.... I haven't seen any real signs of that in interviews and things... and she wrote a bunch of songs and seems relatively productive which again doesn't seem to indicate mental decline....:shrug:

Storms123 11-20-2018 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires (Post 1244221)
I'm still unclear just what LB meant when he described Christine as "fragile"...

Stuff with her hands and the erosion of her voice make the idea that he means physically fragile seem like a real possiblility... Also Stevie telling her she needs to get a trainer and all that if she really wanted to come back is a bit more interesting in light of the word "fragile"... but stamina-wise it would seem Chris has been holding up, I mean she did a whole tour with LB and now again with FM.... which brings it back to being reference to her voice and ability to play onstage (which is different to playing in a studio)...:shrug:

If he means something else, like emotionally fragile.... I haven't seen any real signs of that in interviews and things... and she wrote a bunch of songs and seems relatively productive which again doesn't seem to indicate mental decline....:shrug:

I don’t think he meant mental decline. She’s sharper than the rest of them....collectively

ryan4136 11-20-2018 08:05 AM

I just took it as him trying to let her off the hook for what happened, and as a way to let her know that he's still good with her. The term "fragile" might actually be a word that was used by Mick or management and LB was throwing it back at them almost mockingly.

I'm sure when he was talking to Azoff he asked if Chris was onboard with this decision, it wouldn't be shocking if Azoff said something to that effect as to why Chris wasn't consulted on the matter.

Feather Blade 11-20-2018 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by louielouie2000 (Post 1244210)
Okay, where did I miss that John had communicated with Lindsey and that Lindsey called Christine fragile? Like Brandon, I’ve been severely limiting my Mac news these days.

I know it’s my hopeless romantic nature, but I see a crack of hope in these developments. Stevie has shown her dominance, Lindsey has gotten his break from the cash grab, and undeniably all have experienced a paradigm shift. Certainly could make for one blowout farewell tour... almost so perfect as to be planned. Certainly shakes off the staleness that had set in!

John was the only one who responded to his e-mails (out of the people he did send an e-mail to, not sure how many of them it was), and John's response was something on the lines of "I'm not supposed to talk to you". Presumably for legal reasons. That was pretty much the extent of John's communication.

aleuzzi 11-20-2018 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by secondhandchain (Post 1244190)
Christine's voice is more then shot now, sorry to say.

Sometimes it is, other times it's still quite tuneful and tonally warm. On a number of performances (in October) of "All Over Again" she sounded fantastic and, when duetting with Nicks, far more tuneful (though with less volume and theatrical effects).

However, her vocals in the recent Canadian shows were awful. But then this back-and-forth with her live voice has been fairly consistent with her throughout her career.

She remains the only one of the three who still sounds fantastic and authentic in the studio. Whatever machinery is helping her, she manages to sound like she used to. Not so with Nicks or Buckingham.

I'd prefer Christine spend her remaining time doing studio albums.

SteveMacD 11-20-2018 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires (Post 1244221)
I'm still unclear just what LB meant when he described Christine as "fragile"...

I think she’s psychologically fragile. I think those years living in isolation took a toll on her. Since coming back, she’s sold the mansion, sold her condo, and moved into a busy London neighborhood and has made a point of staying in situations where she’s working or amongst people.


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