I don't think When You Say is that bad. It's not Danny Kirwin's best, but it's OK. In my opinion, When I See You Again and The Second Time are right up there among the worst Fleetwood Mac songs.

My Fleetwood Mac BOTTOM 5
 

1) The Second Time (Behind The Mask)
2) When You Say (Then Play On CD)
3) Welcome To The Room...Sara (Tango In The Night)
4) Roadrunner (Penguin)
5) When I See You Again (Tango In The Night)


(Even Mrs. Scarrot's poem doesn't suck bad enough to make the bottom five)

"Only Over You"
 

Don't forget "Only Over You" which is the only Fleetwood Mac song known to create motion sickness in listeners...

So you all think "Family Man" is a good song??? It comes real close to a total stinker to me, and it's the worst FM song I've ever heard... kind of tied with "Roadrunner", though.


Song of the moment - Fireflies

I like Family Man. I hated it the first time I heard it and would always laugh when that voice says(after Lindsey say a family man)'a family man.'

Count me "in" on Family Man, too...I don't think it's a well crafted song, but the guitar work on it is just brilliant; which, being a guitar player myself, takes precidence. :)

I love what I call the "bass B-3" sound on "Empire State", VERY Brian Wilson-ish. Ya know, Mick, in his book, says that "Empire State" was kind of a "make-up" song for the bad vibes of Welch's "The City"...I'm not so sure I agree with that. I think that there's such a "competition" (subconciously ingraned in people) between NY & LA...Lindsey had just released a song called "That's How We Do It In L.A." on Law & Order...and to not alienate his NY fans, wrote "Empire State" for his subsequent album (which ended up being a Fleetwood Mac album instead).

What?? Do you remember me saying "One More Night" was a stinker at some point?? I CERTAINLY don' think so (NOWadays, anyway!)

*lol* No, you never said it was (that I know of)... *I* was saying it was! :laugh:

It's not horrible really, just... boring.
IMHO.

As far as my least favorite Mac songs... those pretty much all belong to Jeremy Spencer.
As hard as I've tried, I've just never gained much appreciation for him.
Don't get me wrong, there are a few songs that Jeremy sang and played lead on, that i *do* really like... but there's only a handful of them.

I've pretty much always felt though, that even the lamest Mac tune is still better than many artists' best work.
Which is why I really don't tend to bash any of Fleetwood Mac's songs.


Johnny Stew

Re: "Only Over You"
 

Black Label Society makes me more motion-sick than a Christine McVie song ever could.

"Only Over You" features some of the most beautiful passages in all music -- I refer to the chord progression underlying the "Angel please don't go/I miss you when you're gone" lyric.

"Family Man" may just be the most brilliant piece of pop music ever conceived by a North American. But of course you with your Chilean ears may not hear quite what I'm hearing with my Californian ears. That's the drawback of geographical distance.

Of course, my third world ears could really be causing me confusions... However there is no absolute "good" or "bad" at anything, so we're allowed to disagree peacefully.


Song Of The Moment - Alice

I like When I see you again, but I don't like These strange times that much.

The Second Time is the WORST. I've never heard When You Say. I still like to think Danny Kirwan can do no wrong. Of course the only danny CD's I own are bare trees and future games, so i don't want to ruin his record:rolleyes:

"When You Say" is Danny's ONLY stinker...out of all the tunes he did with FMac:

Jigsaw Puzzle Blues
Like It This Way
Only You
World's In A Tangle
Talk With You
One Sunny Day
Without You
Something Inside Of Me
World In Harmony (mostly Danny's tune, but Peter wrote the middle bit, so Danny gave him co-write credit)
Although The Sun Is Shining
Like Crying
Station Man
Tell Me All The Things You Do
Jewel Eyed Judy
Tell Me From The Start
Earl Grey (aka Farewell)
Sands Of Time
Sometimes
Woman Of A Thousand Years
Child Of Mine
Dust
Danny's Chant
Bare Trees
Sunny Side Of Heaven

To have ONE song that was pretty awful out of THIS list, is really allowable! :thumbsup: (But, why Christine decided to record a version of it is beyond me! :confused: :laugh:

And, also...don't avoid it just because I call it a "stinker"...listen for yourself...you might LIKE the song. (nothing against you if you do...there's some songs that a lot of folks here don't care for that I do & vice versa...your own ears are the best judge of how good a song is to you.)

I feela bit foolish now - I don't have any pre-BN albums (I saw an LP of Then play On in a shop - $A30 - worth it, in a sentimental sense? I have the Rumours LP, but no player. I know Then Play On is a great album).

Yet When Say On is one of my few pre-BN songs and I am a fan. It's very soothing and the climax just builds nicely like Over & Over. I would love to hear the Christine version - but where is that? Was it released on something?? The Legendary CP album?

BTW some thoughts on BTM (remeber the thread topic? lol). Was it so wise to have what looks like aband but is not FM on the cover? If I showed it to my friends they'd think that was the band, not the impressionistic strange thing it is.

Secodnly, its proabbly just that harmonica/accordion sound, bbut I JUST noticed a slight similarity between Affairs of the Heart and I Know I'm Not Wrong!! lol