Fleetwood Mac /BuckMcVie.......10 tracks.
So I was listening to this amazing album today and realized the reason it only has 10 tracks is because Lindsey kept it open for 3 or 4 Stevie tracks. Oh what this album could have been......
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But i love me some BuckVie. I've not taken it out of my car rotation since it came out, June 9th of 17. Yes, I remember the date. I had 14 days to learn every song by heart, for the second show of the tour. :D |
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Not that long ago I started fiddling with the track list and added Belle Fleur, Lady, The Dealer, If You Were My Love, and Sad Angel/Miss Fantasy to replace some Lindsey songs. 15 tracks may be a bit heavy, but it makes me happy.
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I like your additions but I would not replace any of Buckinghams songs from this album. His songs were so obviously open for Stevie’s contribution. |
I've never cared for Lay Down For Free. It's too repetitious, and sounds like a drum machine, instead of Mick.
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Really? I know you said you have had it on repeat play since release so I can’t say “ Give it another listen” 😎 but....... I just love the vocals so I guess I most be a bit deaf to the drums. |
Or it could just be that great albums are usually just 10 or 11 tracks.
And there are a few McVie clunkers on this album. I wish Lindsey had de-cheesed a few of hers. But I do agree, if you imagine Stevie's harmonies on several songs, it could have been much better. It's a good album, but it didn't get under my skin the way I had hoped it would. |
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I love all of this album...even the “cheese” stuff. Its how I feel.😎 |
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pop pros, those 2.
I still feel sometimes it just should have been called a Mac album and that Stevie just didn't want to be on it. Basically, that's what it was. ...and seriously, sorry, I like Stevie I really do (or used to) but in 43 years I have never, ever felt she was the be all of that band. ..far from it, actually, if I had to choose a member who 'had to go'...it would be her. |
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I agree and I’m sure they did. I think it was intentional to leave it open. Stevie would have added four songs. I also agree it should have still been called a Fleetwood Mac album because that is what it is. |
It might be completely naive of me, but mentally I haven't completely closed the door to BuckVie 2 being a possibility. I know there's the whole issue of the lawsuit, and the machinations of that will likely be the determining factor in Lindsey's relationship with the individual members of the band from here on out. But part of me wonders if Chris doesn't feel just a wee bit guilty about how everything played out and sympathetic to her old friend. Of course, if the stories are true about her feelings/actions toward Bob Welch after he sued the band, then maybe this is all a pipe dream. :shrug:
My working theory, however, is that Chris feels guilty, didn't assert herself with regards to "the band's" decision to fire Lindsey (or successfully so), realizes she has a card to play in all this, which is to collaborate with Lindsey again for BuckVie 2. But this time, Mick and John aren't involved, and there's likely no supporting tour (given her age, potential other commitments to Fleetwood Mac going forward, etc.) Yes, I realize this is very unlikely to happen (for one thing, if Fleetwood Mac goes to the mats fighting this lawsuit, it could be years before Lindsey and Christine are no longer opposing parties in an ongoing lawsuit), but it's my "Best Case Scenario" for where things stand currently and where I (as a pathetically optimistic fan of these insane people) hope they go. |
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That's why I never cared which "song" got put on an album. What makes a Fleetwood Mac album sound like Fleetwood Mac is Fleetwood Mac's recording treatment of all those songs (also considering that they haven't always done cool things to songs). Long way of saying that what prevents Buckingham McVie from completely sounding like a Fleetwood Mac album is Stevie's singing, not her songs. A Fleetwood album has never been just a playlist, and a playlist is never a Fleetwood album. That idea of what Fleetwood Mac sounds like with Lindsey helping (or handling) production and arrangement is also at the heart of the disappointment with his departure. I like hearing The Chain played the way he played it with Mick drumming (particularly in 1978 and 1980), and that's now dead. That's what I missed in 1987 at the Forum, and that's what I miss today. The fact that The Chain is still part of today's set means nothing to me (just as it meant nothing to me as part of the 1990 set). The fact that Gold Dust Woman was part of the 1994 set meant nothing to me (other than a mild curiosity). I'm attracted (or not) to what I hear, not to the mere presence of something to pay tribute or fulfill a legacy or meet a marketing expectation. Of course, sometimes the cover job really does excite me based on what I hear: for example, I seem to recall hearing an old concert from the Welch years where Bob did Black Magic Woman. I loved it. Bob was ferociously good on guitar on that. (Did you guys ever hear that?) My two. |
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Seriously, it sounds like you're the bitter old ass. |
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Hope you're okay, Ed. I mean that. And I'm bitter AF. They FIRED LINDSEY, the wife beater!!!:p I'm gonna watch the Tusk doc outtakes now, and let it all go...Night, Ed. :angel: |
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I was mixing it up with Too Far Gone. "Too Far Gone" and "Game Of Pretend" are the weakest tracks (I'm not saying they're terrible). The others are all great.
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here's Angel-writing excerpt, Stevie and Lindsey working out the melody, that was taken from one of those youtube videos - |
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I always assumed it was Warner Brothers, but since half the documentary is about whether or not to sign with Warner Brothers in the first place, that doesn't make any sense. |
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Thank you, Lindsey
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I wonder if part of the reason for doing it was to make sure he and the others stayed on their best behavior. Either way, it turned out to be a generous fan service--not to mention an incredibly helpful reference for trying to make sense of the current state of affairs! |
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It must have been some fight, because it would have been an obvious climax scene for the film but was not included. |
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I don't think I'd necessarily enjoy watching another fight between Stevie, Lindsey and Karen, but it's frustrating from a narrative perspective for the most pivotal part of that "subplot" to be elided completely and just summarily reported on by Lindsey after the fact. I actually side with the others regarding not making it a double album, and being able to squeeze as many as 18 tracks on 1 CD seems like a reasonable compromise. My take on it is that Lindsey had been sitting on this project for WAY to long (ie his last release (other than The Dance) was in 1992) so he had too much invested in it psychologically and was trying to accomplish too much, even despite shifting the project to a different context (ie FM instead of solo). But everyone stringing him along until the last minute is so infuriating. |
The double-CD idea was ridiculous. A CD holds 80 minutes, so a double-CD album would have been longer than Tusk by a country mile.
One thing that annoyed me about the way Lindsey advocated for it was his constant insinuation that any opposition to the idea was motivated by selling out. "Are you going to do it my way or be a sellout?" It was always a false dilemma. The Beatles White Album is only 93 minutes and draws from three of the greatest songwriters of all time all at their creative peak. |
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Even 18 songs was too many.
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18 Tracks...
Just pulled SYW out to give it a spin and thought to myself, "way to go, you made it through Murrow!" 18 tracks is too many...it needs some pruning.
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