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elle 06-15-2018 06:54 AM

Rock Legends You Should Catch On Tour This Year
 
relevant excerpt:

https://uproxx.com/music/rock-tours-...hil-collins/2/

All The Rock Legends You Should Catch On Tour This Year


Fleetwood Mac

This is probably going to be the most divisive entry on this list, and your inclination to attend probably boils down to how much you value singer/guitarist Lindsey Buckingham’s impact on the sound and aesthetic of Fleetwood Mac. The group, who have changed lineups multiple times over years, are banking on the idea that their decision to fire Buckingham won’t impact fans desire to hear Stevie Nicks belt out “Landslide” on a nightly basis. Maybe that’s true, but a lot of the magic of the band is the theater of tension/affection onstage exhibited onstage between Nicks and her former paramour. We’ll see how Heartbreakers guitarist Mike Campbell and singer Neil Finn can fill the roles.

jbrownsjr 06-15-2018 10:29 AM

If they have any decency, they will drop her bellowing Landslide...

:shocked: I can't take another listen to her butcher that song.

Hawkeye 06-15-2018 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1230944)
If they have any decency, they will drop her bellowing Landslide...

:shocked: I can't take another listen to her butcher that song.

landslide butchered? I agree, I’d be beyond ecstatic if it were dropped but it’s one of those songs that in the moment live I always enjoy because she sings it so well (at least in my opinion) it’s not both tired and done terribly like Gypsy Dreams and Rhiannon (but again I have high hopes for a Rhiannon Revival with Mike Campbell! )

sodascouts 06-15-2018 12:10 PM

Landslide is still beautiful but Rhiannon has been dreary for a long time, sadly. I guess they feel obligated to do it anyway. Campbell cannot save it because Stevie cannot sing it anymore. She has flattened it out.

Macfan4life 06-15-2018 01:57 PM

If the band had any sense they would drop Landslide and let Stevie perform Man of the world instead. If one of the new guys sing it, half the arena will walk out. But Stevie keeps the casual fan's asses in the seats. That could be their slow acoustic song instead of Landslide.

sodascouts 06-15-2018 04:46 PM

So Mick is saying that Stevie wants to sing "Black Magic Woman." Is that a joke? She obviously thinks it applies to herself, so is she going to change the lyrics? That's a really bad idea, I think... parts of the song would become really awkward.

David 06-17-2018 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by sodascouts (Post 1230966)
So Mick is saying that Stevie wants to sing "Black Magic Woman." Is that a joke? She obviously thinks it applies to herself, so is she going to change the lyrics? That's a really bad idea, I think... parts of the song would become really awkward.

It would be very awkward. The idea of a 70-year-old woman doing a song written from the p.o.v. of a young, pessimistic working-class bloke enamored of the blues and sex with a hot babe . . . . I guess all that gets lost when the song is fifty years old or whatever it is.

The idea of Nicks trying Man of the World is even more ludicrous because the vocal requires a soaring howl of pain and a throw-it-all-away recklessness that Nicks hasn't touched since her Fritz days.

No, if she wants to switch out her old stinkers for some new ones, I think she's better off doing some of the Holly and Ronstadt songs she's tried successfully in recent years: Poor Poor Pitiful Me, It's So Easy, Not Fade Away, etc.

WatchChain 06-17-2018 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sodascouts (Post 1230966)
So Mick is saying that Stevie wants to sing "Black Magic Woman." Is that a joke? She obviously thinks it applies to herself, so is she going to change the lyrics? That's a really bad idea, I think... parts of the song would become really awkward.

I could easily see the band working a "Black Magic Woman" interlude into the 9 minute version of "Gold Dust Woman"--with Stevie on vocals. It's quite comical that the High Priestess wants to take a stab at "Black Magic Woman". Sit back, relax, and pop a bowl of popcorn. This should be good.

BlanketMan 06-18-2018 11:07 AM

Kinda off-topic, but... I'm seeing Mike Nesmith and Micky Dolenz in PA this Thursday - they belong on this list! :nod:

JohnL 06-18-2018 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1230938)
relevant excerpt:

https://uproxx.com/music/rock-tours-...hil-collins/2/

All The Rock Legends You Should Catch On Tour This Year


Fleetwood Mac

This is probably going to be the most divisive entry on this list, and your inclination to attend probably boils down to how much you value singer/guitarist Lindsey Buckingham’s impact on the sound and aesthetic of Fleetwood Mac. The group, who have changed lineups multiple times over years, are banking on the idea that their decision to fire Buckingham won’t impact fans desire to hear Stevie Nicks belt out “Landslide” on a nightly basis. Maybe that’s true, but a lot of the magic of the band is the theater of tension/affection onstage exhibited onstage between Nicks and her former paramour. We’ll see how Heartbreakers guitarist Mike Campbell and singer Neil Finn can fill the roles.

I have a feeling that we are going to be well into 2020 and you are still going to be belly aching about this.

sasja 06-18-2018 04:05 PM

Not me, myself, if we have some new Lindsey music in the mean I'll be pleased as punch. But I do admit to the guilty pleasure of wondering how that tour will go. :nod:

elle 06-19-2018 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sasja (Post 1231221)
Not me, myself, if we have some new Lindsey music in the mean I'll be pleased as punch. But I do admit to the guilty pleasure of wondering how that tour will go. :nod:

same!

also, although i'm blocking out bunch of people since i have no time for their negativity and hate directed at me, it's so good to check back in here after several days away and see in whichever thread i open bunch of juvenile personal insults being thrown specifically at me by various SN worshippers that apparently have no coherent responses on topics at hand. i guess they miss me! :rolleyes: :shocked:

mitzo 06-19-2018 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1231276)
same!

also, although i'm blocking out bunch of people since i have no time for their negativity and hate directed at me, it's so good to check back in here after several days away and see in whichever thread i open bunch of juvenile personal insults being thrown specifically at me by various SN worshippers that apparently have no coherent responses on topics at hand. i guess they miss me! :rolleyes: :shocked:

Get professional help. You cannot go on like this, Elle.

elle 06-19-2018 08:32 PM

some here think mental health issues are a joking matter. this is not ok, guys. :distress:

mods should really step up a bit. way too many personal attacks on posters here (and i haven't even had time to check much lately so there's probably much much more i haven't seen), apparently just because someone's favorite singer turned out not to be a saint.

SteveMacD 06-19-2018 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1231283)
some here think mental health issues are a joking matter. this is not ok, guys. :distress:

mods should really step up a bit. way too many personal attacks on posters here (and i haven't even had time to check much lately so there's probably much much more i haven't seen), apparently just because someone's favorite singer turned out not to be a saint.

If they were saints, they wouldn’t be rock stars.

BombaySapphire3 06-19-2018 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1231284)
If they were saints, they wouldn’t be rock stars.

Yeah Stevie was as promiscuous as any number of male rock stars in her time and probably guzzled as much booze as well..and as for snorting coke she'd rank near the top so I don't think she was on anyone's list for canonization.

mitzo 06-19-2018 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1231283)
some here think mental health issues are a joking matter. this is not ok, guys. :distress:

mods should really step up a bit. way too many personal attacks on posters here (and i haven't even had time to check much lately so there's probably much much more i haven't seen), apparently just because someone's favorite singer turned out not to be a saint.

If the ousting of one member of a dinosaur pop band turns one into a borderline personality and a online troll, frankly I do think you need help.

SteveMacD 06-19-2018 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3 (Post 1231287)
Yeah Stevie was as promiscuous as any number of male rock stars in her time and probably guzzled as much booze as well..and as for snorting coke she'd rank near the top so I don't think she was on anyone's list for canonization.

Certainly not on mine. But then, I’m not on mine, but either way, I don’t give a crap.

HomerMcvie 06-19-2018 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1231283)
some here think mental health issues are a joking matter. this is not ok, guys. :distress:

mods should really step up a bit. way too many personal attacks on posters here (and i haven't even had time to check much lately so there's probably much much more i haven't seen), apparently just because someone's favorite singer turned out not to be a saint.

While I do agree, I was subjected to two very personal attacks, a couple months ago, and nothing was done about it. And even after pointing it out here, didn't receive much support or acknowledgement(on the ledge, anyway). So I wouldn't expect too much...

All that said, I DO think I'd prefer "nothing" over the molly coddling of the "Ethan Ledge" days.

BUT, if all is fair in love and war, it should be stated as such, so that there is no selective enforcement.

Just my 2 cents.

dreamsunwind 06-19-2018 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3 (Post 1231287)
Yeah Stevie was as promiscuous as any number of male rock stars in her time and probably guzzled as much booze as well..and as for snorting coke she'd rank near the top so I don't think she was on anyone's list for canonization.

I mean she had a very severe drug addiction which likely impacted lots of aspects of her behavior and personality. Maybe she wouldn't have done a lot of the somewhat morally questionable things she did had it not been for that addiction.

HomerMcvie 06-20-2018 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by dreamsunwind (Post 1231296)
I mean she had a very severe drug addiction which likely impacted lots of aspects of her behavior and personality. Maybe she wouldn't have done a lot of the somewhat morally questionable things she did had it not been for that addiction.

Everyone needs an excuse...

It helps, anyway! :p

HomerMcvie 06-20-2018 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by dreamsunwind (Post 1231296)
I mean she had a very severe drug addiction which likely impacted lots of aspects of her behavior and personality. Maybe she wouldn't have done a lot of the somewhat morally questionable things she did had it not been for that addiction.

Everyone needs an excuse...

It helps, anyway! :p

sodascouts 06-21-2018 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mitzo (Post 1231288)
If the ousting of one member of a dinosaur pop band turns one into a borderline personality and a online troll, frankly I do think you need help.

Ugh, I loathe it when people take the insult and turn it into the "I'm totally serious" version. The insult, while I can see how some could be offended... well, I usually don't make a federal case of it. It's just a variation of "You're crazy."

However, when it escalates to "I'm serious".... if someone really can sit there and act like they are 100% confident that they can accurately diagnose a complete stranger of a serious mental illness based on their internet posts....

Well, then they really have no clue about what goes into that kind of diagnosis, and no clue about what it really means to have a mental illness.

And that IS offensive.

Sorry.

(Mitzo, this isn't just directed at you. It's a VERY common thing to post and it just frustrates me how so many people are so very quick to say, in all seriousness, that they spot mental illness in their opponents and others.)

aleuzzi 06-21-2018 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sasja (Post 1231221)
Not me, myself, if we have some new Lindsey music in the mean I'll be pleased as punch. But I do admit to the guilty pleasure of wondering how that tour will go. :nod:

Agreed.

I have a morbid fascination with what a **** show this tour has the potential to be. Anyone thinking they won't do Landslide, Dreams, Rhiannon, and Silver Springs is fooling him/herself.

They will very likely do: Little Lies, Say You Love Me, Don't Stop, World Turning, and Everywhere.

The question is what change-ups will be included? Will they do Black Magic Woman (doubt it), Oh Well (likely), Hypnotized (doubt it), Station Man (possibly), Tell Me All the Things You Do (an intriguing possibility), or go even deeper with jewels like Child of Mine, Jumping at Shadows, Future Games, or Dust?

They will likely do a Tom Petty tune, a few solo Stevie numbers. But will they try Christine's "One in a Million"? They will also probably play a Crowded House tune--much to the embarrassment of all.

The more chances they take, the more potentially interesting the shows will be. I doubt, however, they will stray much from their existing, already-tired and tiresome setlist.

If they do GYOW I'll laugh and laugh and laugh.

sodascouts 06-21-2018 02:24 PM

I seriously doubt they will do any of those mega-obscure numbers. I think they'll only do two older numbers besides Oh Well maximum, despite all the talk of history, and why not Black Magic Woman? At least people would know that one.

I also seriously doubt they will do Silver Springs. They must realize it will make everyone feel Lindsey's loss on stage, and miss that interplay. Stevie has tied Lindsey to it in performance as well as in theme. No amount of mic stand ribbon-swishing will distract from that.

You can bet they will do GYOW. It was a big hit.

FuzzyPlum 06-21-2018 03:30 PM

In the recent Variety interview Neil admitted its unlikely they'll play much of the older stuff. It sounds like Man of the World is likely and I'd guess at Oh Well too. Danny's passing makes Station Man even more likely. I think that'll probably be it. He suggested they'll probably play one or two Neil Finn songs.
Basically it'll be all the big hits from Chris and Stevie + The Chain + Go Your Own Way + 3 old FM songs + 2 Neil Finn songs + Stop Draggin My Heart Around. The only other maybe might be Tusk.

dreamsunwind 06-21-2018 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1231400)
Agreed.

I have a morbid fascination with what a **** show this tour has the potential to be. Anyone thinking they won't do Landslide, Dreams, Rhiannon, and Silver Springs is fooling him/herself.

They will very likely do: Little Lies, Say You Love Me, Don't Stop, World Turning, and Everywhere.

The question is what change-ups will be included? Will they do Black Magic Woman (doubt it), Oh Well (likely), Hypnotized (doubt it), Station Man (possibly), Tell Me All the Things You Do (an intriguing possibility), or go even deeper with jewels like Child of Mine, Jumping at Shadows, Future Games, or Dust?

They will likely do a Tom Petty tune, a few solo Stevie numbers. But will they try Christine's "One in a Million"? They will also probably play a Crowded House tune--much to the embarrassment of all.

The more chances they take, the more potentially interesting the shows will be. I doubt, however, they will stray much from their existing, already-tired and tiresome setlist.

If they do GYOW I'll laugh and laugh and laugh.

I read that Neil Finn interview and he outright said that there's probably not gonna be much pre-BN songs on the set list at the end, which is what I've been saying forever lol.
I'm absolutely positive that the tour is going to be mostly the same songs were all used to. But no way they'll do Silver Springs. Stevie doesn't even perform it on her solo tours. There's no point to do the song anymore. If they did I would truly be shocked.

mitzo 06-21-2018 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sodascouts (Post 1231396)
Ugh, I loathe it when people take the insult and turn it into the "I'm totally serious" version. The insult, while I can see how some could be offended... well, I usually don't make a federal case of it. It's just a variation of "You're crazy."

However, when it escalates to "I'm serious".... if someone really can sit there and act like they are 100% confident that they can accurately diagnose a complete stranger of a serious mental illness based on their internet posts....

Well, then they really have no clue about what goes into that kind of diagnosis, and no clue about what it really means to have a mental illness.

And that IS offensive.

Sorry.



(Mitzo, this isn't just directed at you. It's a VERY common thing to post and it just frustrates me how so many people are so very quick to say, in all seriousness, that they spot mental illness in their opponents and others.)

I was simply driving the point home. I do not know Elle and others here as people, just as posters. And they seem pretty unhinged since Linds got sacked.


You do not know what I know or do not know about mental illness. and this is an FM forum not the APA.

gldstwmn 06-21-2018 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1231284)
If they were saints, they wouldn’t be rock stars.

Well, except for Bono. :lol:

gldstwmn 06-21-2018 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mitzo (Post 1231288)
If the ousting of one member of a dinosaur pop band turns one into a borderline personality and a online troll, frankly I do think you need help.

I picture you saying this with the look on Lindsey's face in your avatar. It's funny. :laugh:

gldstwmn 06-21-2018 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1231298)
Everyone needs an excuse...

It helps, anyway! :p

What's yours?

mitzo 06-21-2018 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn (Post 1231411)
I picture you saying this with the look on Lindsey's face in your avatar. It's funny. :laugh:

It is meant to be. I took inspiration from Homer McVie's avatar of Stevie.

sodascouts 06-21-2018 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum (Post 1231406)
In the recent Variety interview Neil admitted its unlikely they'll play much of the older stuff. It sounds like Man of the World is likely and I'd guess at Oh Well too. Danny's passing makes Station Man even more likely. I think that'll probably be it. He suggested they'll probably play one or two Neil Finn songs.
Basically it'll be all the big hits from Chris and Stevie + The Chain + Go Your Own Way + 3 old FM songs + 2 Neil Finn songs + Stop Draggin My Heart Around. The only other maybe might be Tusk.

I know Neil and Mike played "Man of the World" recently, but I think that would be a real dud in an arena.

Two Neil songs? Ugh! It is a Mac show! But I guess that could happen. Of course one is mandatory. I think there will be at least two Stevie solo, though. Stand Back, perhaps, in addition to Stop Draggin'.

SteveMacD 06-21-2018 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sodascouts (Post 1231414)
I know Neil and Mike played "Man of the World" recently, but I think that would be a real dud in an arena.

No more than “Say Goodbye.”

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Two Neil songs? Ugh! It is a Mac show!
They did Chicken Shack and Christine Perfect songs when Christine joined the band. They initially did two Buckingham Nicks songs when they joined. They did two Dave Mason songs a show, and sometimes two Billy Burnette non-Fleetwood Mac songs 94-95. Why change the rules now?

aleuzzi 06-21-2018 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1231415)
No more than “Say Goodbye.”



They did Chicken Shack and Christine Perfect songs when Christine joined the band. They initially did two Buckingham Nicks songs when they joined. They did two Dave Mason songs a show, and sometimes two Billy Burnette non-Fleetwood Mac songs 94-95. Why change the rules now?

Technically, you have a point, but it’s not really the same thing now. When Christine joined in 1970, the band was making serious bread and butter on the US touring circuit where most concert goers knew of the band generally—“British Blues Band.” They could have played John Mayall songs and most people wouldn’t have noticed. By 1975, the band had built up a respectable following but, mostly, the band’s identity as a “British Blues Band” hadn’t changed. They did a lot of old songs and some new ones, some Mac tunes, a couple BN tunes—but very quickly that combination of five people made some real headway. By 1979, the only oldie in the band’s set was “Oh Well.” When LB left in 87, his replacements reintroduced some Green material but it was mostly tolerated by fans who went to the shows to hear Rumours-lineup hits. In 1995, FM was pretty much a joke to the mass public, a dated dinosaur minus all of its famous front line. They could play anything they wanted because the stakes were so low.

Now, in 2018, the band is known to its gazillion fans primarily as a legacy act, one that features SN and LB in particular. Throughout the 2000s, there were some “deep cuts” and a BN song here or there, but it was all original material. Christine’s return meant the full and complete return to the greatest hits rundown. THIS is the band people expect to see. Now, ironically, the diehard fans have been wanting a change in setlist for years and years. The “new” FM is going to give us some of that—but at what cost? Who, after the heights of commercial success, wants to hear Crowded House or Tom Petty songs in an FM setlist NOW?

What we die-hardship wanted (and what Lindsey wanted) was a creative and fresh approach from the Rumours five. Unusual inclusions of old material mixed with the band touring and supporting NEW music. I doubt we’ll really get a fresh approach with the “new” band since its surprises won’t really be surprising. All of the twists will likely be all-too predictable and easy.

aleuzzi 06-21-2018 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamsunwind (Post 1231407)
But no way they'll do Silver Springs. Stevie doesn't even perform it on her solo tours. There's no point to do the song anymore. If they did I would truly be shocked.

I did not know this. Thanks for the info. I saw the band do it on the 2015 tour and just figured it was still in. I did not follow Stevie’s recent solo tour.

David 06-21-2018 11:41 PM

Nicks and Mike Campbell have written fewer songs together than I thought, but I looked it up: I Don't Care, Imperial Hotel, For What It's Worth. Any of them would be great inclusions.

HomerMcvie 06-22-2018 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn (Post 1231412)
What's yours?

Just watching some bitter old troll, who has to comment on everything I say.

But I don't mean you. Some OTHER bitter, old troll.:woohoo:

sodascouts 06-22-2018 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 1231423)
Nicks and Mike Campbell have written fewer songs together than I thought, but I looked it up: I Don't Care, Imperial Hotel, For What It's Worth. Any of them would be great inclusions.

This list is incomplete. Songs you forgot:

Desert Angel

Blue Denim

Whole Lotta Trouble

My Heart

Ghosts

You Like Me (this song was released by the Williams Brothers)

SteveMacD 06-22-2018 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by sodascouts (Post 1231438)
This list is incomplete. Songs you forgot:

Desert Angel

Blue Denim

Whole Lotta Trouble

My Heart

Ghosts

You Like Me (this song was released by the Williams Brothers)

There was also Freedom


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