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Macfan4life 10-08-2018 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by StevieandChris (Post 1238857)
I have never seen this video, it sounds like it is a horrid performance!

Two worst performances of Gold Dust Woman. In 1981 and 1983 Stevie's band did a much darker rocking version that is the best to this date IMHO.

1989
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCI_6U2TNak

1987
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyJF...=RDXyJF-mB6q94

bwboy 10-08-2018 05:42 PM

Hmmm... I'm gonna have to check out the Boston version again. I don't remember thinking it was that great, or at least that memorable. Maybe there was some sort of vocal thing Stevie did during the Boston version that I didn't care for? Something like "uh-uh" or like that?

Netter75 10-09-2018 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1239010)
Two worst performances of Gold Dust Woman. In 1981 and 1983 Stevie's band did a much darker rocking version that is the best to this date IMHO.

1989
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCI_6U2TNak

1987
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyJF...=RDXyJF-mB6q94

What's interesting is that the '89 version of the song is actually kinda cool musically. Very cheesy keyboards but they definitely put an eerie, twisted mood on the song. It's a shame her vocals are so lifeless and her performance is so blah.

Macfan4life 10-09-2018 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Netter75 (Post 1239235)
What's interesting is that the '89 version of the song is actually kinda cool musically. Very cheesy keyboards but they definitely put an eerie, twisted mood on the song. It's a shame her vocals are so lifeless and her performance is so blah.

Your statement about an eerie twisted mood more describes the Wild Heart tour version. The 1989 version is a cheezy keyboard mess IMHO

Netter75 10-09-2018 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1239246)
Your statement about an eerie twisted mood more describes the Wild Heart tour version. The 1989 version is a cheezy keyboard mess IMHO

Gotta admit, sometimes I get in the mood and really love a little 80s keyboard mess :lol:.



That horrible doorbell sound will forever hold place in my heart :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Justin Reach 11-24-2018 02:29 PM

You've got to have Lizard People on a deluxe edition, it's better than half the album!

Conga 11-25-2018 01:44 AM

"Pain in the balls.... of your feet"

I unironically love Lizard People.

Villavic 07-22-2019 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bwboy (Post 1221057)
It seems unlikely a Deluxe Edition of Behind the Mask will be released

Now that Lindsey is not in the band, probably Mick is thinking in this idea. I would be glad to get some new material from those sessions. But yes I agree it still seems unlikely, since the album was not enough succesful.

jbrownsjr 08-02-2019 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Conga (Post 1244475)
"Pain in the balls.... of your feet"

I unironically love Lizard People.

I want the 20 min version of Lizard People. :laugh:

David 08-24-2019 11:42 AM

My wish list for Behind the Mask involves it never having happened.

secret love 08-24-2019 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 1253936)
My wish list for Behind the Mask involves it never having happened.

Right.

Let's wipe away Behind the Mask and Skies the Limit and all the rest - even the one Stevie soft spot The Second Time.

Heresy!

David 08-25-2019 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1253944)
Right.

Let's wipe away Behind the Mask and Skies the Limit and all the rest - even the one Stevie soft spot The Second Time.

Heresy!

To push my iconoclasm in everybody's face, I actually rather like Second Time. Stevie drops her pretensions and poses, and lets us hear her at a vulnerable moment. It truly feels much more authentic to me than Freedom or Affairs of the Heart - I'm not bluffing. By 1990, I was really bored with the Stevie Nicks mystique and wanted something different. I wanted to scrape off all that "moon spirit" crap (which was a lot less charismatic in a zonked-out singer in her mid 40s than it was fifteen years earlier) by then and see a rebirth of Stevie's artistry, whatever it actually looked like. And I suppose there are other moments on the album that are good enough - good hooks, good drumming, good vocal harmonies (because Rick and Billy were superb harmony singers, which they never got any credit for in Fleetwood Mac). But the album was mostly a throwaway. People have accused me of coming to that conclusion only in hindsight, but that's not true. I haven't changed my mind about it since 1990. The sound of it isn't even desperately commercial (the way Say You Will or Mirage always sound like they're trying to "tap in" to something in the radio audience), but it's the sound of a band that has kind of given up and just wants to take the road most traveled. It has that air of grabbing anyone who walks by that we were talking about in another thread. I don't think there was much inspiration in the people who made Behind the Mask, including songs, instrumentation (it's very impersonal - none of those quirks you came to associate with the instrumentalists in Fleetwood Mac from 1967 to 1987), cover art, and so on. Even the B sides are hopeless. The decisions the band made about almost everything give me the sense of having been drawn out of a hat quite at random. It's a good lesson for Fleetwood Mac and other bands: If you're not feeling particularly inspired, keep the work low key. Don't try making a "statement." That's the beauty of the band's next album, Time. It isn't any more brilliant or any less generic, but it's low key and modest, and that gives it a little charm.

secret love 08-30-2019 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 1253950)
To push my iconoclasm in everybody's face, I actually rather like Second Time. Stevie drops her pretensions and poses, and lets us hear her at a vulnerable moment. It truly feels much more authentic to me than Freedom or Affairs of the Heart - I'm not bluffing. By 1990, I was really bored with the Stevie Nicks mystique and wanted something different. I wanted to scrape off all that "moon spirit" crap (which was a lot less charismatic in a zonked-out singer in her mid 40s than it was fifteen years earlier) by then and see a rebirth of Stevie's artistry, whatever it actually looked like. And I suppose there are other moments on the album that are good enough - good hooks, good drumming, good vocal harmonies (because Rick and Billy were superb harmony singers, which they never got any credit for in Fleetwood Mac). But the album was mostly a throwaway. People have accused me of coming to that conclusion only in hindsight, but that's not true. I haven't changed my mind about it since 1990. The sound of it isn't even desperately commercial (the way Say You Will or Mirage always sound like they're trying to "tap in" to something in the radio audience), but it's the sound of a band that has kind of given up and just wants to take the road most traveled. It has that air of grabbing anyone who walks by that we were talking about in another thread. I don't think there was much inspiration in the people who made Behind the Mask, including songs, instrumentation (it's very impersonal - none of those quirks you came to associate with the instrumentalists in Fleetwood Mac from 1967 to 1987), cover art, and so on. Even the B sides are hopeless. The decisions the band made about almost everything give me the sense of having been drawn out of a hat quite at random. It's a good lesson for Fleetwood Mac and other bands: If you're not feeling particularly inspired, keep the work low key. Don't try making a "statement." That's the beauty of the band's next album, Time. It isn't any more brilliant or any less generic, but it's low key and modest, and that gives it a little charm.

Read this post around the time you sent it up onto the boards and did not know what to write in response, David.

Are you a music reviewer in your day job? If not, perhaps you need a career change. Are you David Wilde?

aleuzzi 09-15-2019 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 1253950)
To push my iconoclasm in everybody's face, I actually rather like Second Time. Stevie drops her pretensions and poses, and lets us hear her at a vulnerable moment. It truly feels much more authentic to me than Freedom or Affairs of the Heart - I'm not bluffing. By 1990, I was really bored with the Stevie Nicks mystique and wanted something different. I wanted to scrape off all that "moon spirit" crap (which was a lot less charismatic in a zonked-out singer in her mid 40s than it was fifteen years earlier) by then and see a rebirth of Stevie's artistry, whatever it actually looked like. And I suppose there are other moments on the album that are good enough - good hooks, good drumming, good vocal harmonies (because Rick and Billy were superb harmony singers, which they never got any credit for in Fleetwood Mac). But the album was mostly a throwaway. People have accused me of coming to that conclusion only in hindsight, but that's not true. I haven't changed my mind about it since 1990. The sound of it isn't even desperately commercial (the way Say You Will or Mirage always sound like they're trying to "tap in" to something in the radio audience), but it's the sound of a band that has kind of given up and just wants to take the road most traveled. It has that air of grabbing anyone who walks by that we were talking about in another thread. I don't think there was much inspiration in the people who made Behind the Mask, including songs, instrumentation (it's very impersonal - none of those quirks you came to associate with the instrumentalists in Fleetwood Mac from 1967 to 1987), cover art, and so on. Even the B sides are hopeless. The decisions the band made about almost everything give me the sense of having been drawn out of a hat quite at random. It's a good lesson for Fleetwood Mac and other bands: If you're not feeling particularly inspired, keep the work low key. Don't try making a "statement." That's the beauty of the band's next album, Time. It isn't any more brilliant or any less generic, but it's low key and modest, and that gives it a little charm.

I have never disliked a Mac album as much as BEHIND THE MASK. I have felt this way since the day it was released. In my opinion, only “Save Me” achieves the minimum standard. Your comments about Stevie are right on: by 1990, I was open to hearing anything other than the tired mystical fantasies. When “Blue Denim” arrived a couple years later, I was genuinely enthusiastic about her for the first time since “Imperial Hotel.”

I did like TIME, in part because it surfaced from nowhere, and because Christine’s vocals were excellent (even if the keyboard she was playing sounded awful). Add to this that the band were no longer pretending to be what they were, were stretching out and trying new things....Bekka and Billy were earthy and modest. I liked their chemistry.

Macfan4life 09-18-2019 05:37 AM

BTM has lots of fantastic qualities.

You can hear Christine playing keyboards (again) on so many songs and her style is revealed again and is so refreshing compared to the programmed tracks on Tango

You hear the classic Mac rhythm section again on all the songs. Even songs that are not great like Stand on the Rock, the Mac's rhythm section is fired up

Love all the vocalists singing together. Stevie and Billy. Christine and Billy. Stevie and Rick. No need to fake Stevie's voice like on Tango

I posted this before but I think half the album is excellent. Its not pop driven and holds up. The other half is not great and pulls the album down a bit.

I am in the minority but live the album cover. I understand none of them wanted to be on the cover so with that in mind what could you do. I love the mystery and so much tiny detail does tell a story.

Like Tango, Stevie brought some poor songs. In her haze, she was not writing great songs anymore and it would have been worth it to pull out an oldie.

Its comparing apples and oranges but I like BTM better than Tango. Its a group effort and Christine shines with her songs and keyboard playing. Gosh just listening to her layers or bridgey solos are amazing. You could strip all vocals and music and just listen to the keyboards on the songs and know its Fleetwood Mac. That is how dominant her style of playing is.


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