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cbBen 07-01-2019 02:53 AM

"Say You Will" Tour / Keyboardists Michael Dean & Michael Bernard
 
Were they playing keys and samples offstage?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Say_You_Will_Tour

Michael Dean Keyboards on "The Chain", "Dreams", "Eyes of the World", "Peacekeeper", "Second Hand News", "What's the World Coming To", "Beautiful Child", "Gold Dust Woman", "Tusk", "Stand Back", "Go Your Own Way", "World Turning", "Don't Stop" and "Goodbye Baby"

Michael Bernard (after Michael Dean's exit from the tour after the first tour leg) Keyboards/Samples on "The Chain", "Dreams", "Eyes of the World", "Peacekeeper", "Second Hand News", "What's the World Coming To", "Beautiful Child", "Gold Dust Woman", "Tusk", "Stand Back", "Go Your Own Way", "World Turning", "Don't Stop" and "Goodbye Baby"

David 07-13-2019 07:46 PM

I remember asking Tuggle something about his rig on that tour in his Q&A here. He switched boards between legs, and I wondered why at the time.

secret love 08-15-2019 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cbBen (Post 1253384)
Were they playing keys and samples offstage?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Say_You_Will_Tour

Michael Dean – Keyboards on "The Chain", "Dreams", "Eyes of the World", "Peacekeeper", "Second Hand News", "What's the World Coming To", "Beautiful Child", "Gold Dust Woman", "Tusk", "Stand Back", "Go Your Own Way", "World Turning", "Don't Stop" and "Goodbye Baby"

Michael Bernard (after Michael Dean's exit from the tour after the first tour leg) – Keyboards/Samples on "The Chain", "Dreams", "Eyes of the World", "Peacekeeper", "Second Hand News", "What's the World Coming To", "Beautiful Child", "Gold Dust Woman", "Tusk", "Stand Back", "Go Your Own Way", "World Turning", "Don't Stop" and "Goodbye Baby"

This is a darn shame, really. Wikipedia credits both Stevie and Lindsey as sharing keyboard duties for the album in studio in Christine's absence. Stevie should have really been playing, if not behind a keyboard or piano on all songs, she should have at least done two or three songs at a baby grand. Landslide, for one.



Can Lindsey play cello?
I note Sheryl also played keys on Say You Will in studio, including a vibraphone. Does anyone know if this was a real vibraphone or if it was a keyboard? Edit: my bad, a vibraphone is a percussion instrument.


HomerMcvie 08-15-2019 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1253860)
This is a darn shame, really. Wikipedia credits both Stevie and Lindsey as sharing keyboard duties for the album in studio in Christine's absence. Stevie should have really been playing, if not behind a keyboard or piano on all songs, she should have at least done two or three songs at a baby grand. Landslide, for one.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Have you actually HEARD her play?

$he's HORRIBLE. A first year piano student, at best! $he plonks away on her TWO chords, like $he's Liberace(after a horrible car accident, followed by 7 strokes). It's TRULY embarrassing. I can't believe you stand behind her amateurish playing. $he KNOWS $he shouldn't be recorded.

$he could fart in a jar, and you'd buy it.

justcrazylove 08-15-2019 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1253860)
This is a darn shame, really. Wikipedia credits both Stevie and Lindsey as sharing keyboard duties for the album in studio in Christine's absence. Stevie should have really been playing, if not behind a keyboard or piano on all songs, she should have at least done two or three songs at a baby grand. Landslide, for one.



Can Lindsey play cello?
I note Sheryl also played keys on Say You Will in studio, including a vibraphone. Does anyone know if this was a real vibraphone or if it was a keyboard? Edit: my bad, a vibraphone is a percussion instrument.


You don't play a musical instrument, do you? Stevie Nicks, cannot play the piano, or the guitar. This thread is over.

Macfan4life 08-17-2019 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1253862)
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Have you actually HEARD her play?

$he's HORRIBLE. A first year piano student, at best! $he plonks away on her TWO chords, like $he's Liberace(after a horrible car accident, followed by 7 strokes). It's TRULY embarrassing. I can't believe you stand behind her amateurish playing. $he KNOWS $he shouldn't be recorded.

$he could fart in a jar, and you'd buy it.

How could you say that. Her piano version of Rhiannon is right up there with Rachmaninov.
Haters gonna hate
:eek:

HomerMcvie 08-17-2019 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1253866)
How could you say that. Her piano version of Rhiannon is right up there with Rachmaninov.
Haters gonna hate
:eek:

What's impossible to believe is that her.....followers.....think that $he plays great! I could teach my dog to play as well as $he does! :laugh::wavey::laugh::wavey::laugh:

Macfan4life 08-17-2019 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1253867)
What's impossible to believe is that her.....followers.....think that $he plays great! I could teach my dog to play as well as $he does! :laugh::wavey::laugh::wavey::laugh:

Say what you will but her Enchanted Rhiannon piece was included in one of the most brilliant piano pieces Volume 2
Skip ahead to 6:48 She rings like a bird through the night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbOZXL8Vz4w

secret love 08-17-2019 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justcrazylove (Post 1253863)
You don't play a musical instrument, do you? Stevie Nicks, cannot play the piano, or the guitar. This thread is over.

Yes, I do. I play piano and bass.



That's me.

secret love 08-17-2019 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1253862)
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Have you actually HEARD her play?

$he's HORRIBLE. A first year piano student, at best! $he plonks away on her TWO chords, like $he's Liberace(after a horrible car accident, followed by 7 strokes). It's TRULY embarrassing. I can't believe you stand behind her amateurish playing. $he KNOWS $he shouldn't be recorded.

$he could fart in a jar, and you'd buy it.

Let me introduce you to the letter S: s, S, Stephanie, singer, songwriter, pianiSt, guitariSt, Stevie, NickS.

Anyway, never mind that Stevie Nicks wrote the guitar for Leather and Lace and Landslide, and the piano for Lady From the Mountains and Rhiannon. Never mind that at all. She must be horrible. Note a subtle difference here: she WROTE the music for these four songs, no, she did not record the instruments herself, true, but she was in the room with: Don Henley, and separately Lindsey Buckingham and Dave Stewart, telling them what to play and how to play it - they arranged it their own ways, sure, but she wrote it.

Homer, why would I need to buy farts in a jar when I get gorgeous melodies and phrasings on YouTube for free? Idiot.


secret love 08-17-2019 07:47 PM

Another piece of shameless self-promotion about the terrible music I wrote, played and recorded:

https://store.cdbaby.com/cd/sbjames2

https://music.apple.com/us/album/fol...-ep/1335906041

HomerMcvie 08-18-2019 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1253871)

Homer, why would I need to buy farts in a jar when I get gorgeous melodies and phrasings on YouTube for free?

Idiot.

I believe that falls under the category of personal attack. Are you looking for another "vacation" from The Ledge?

FuzzyPlum 08-18-2019 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1253860)
This is a darn shame, really. Wikipedia credits both Stevie and Lindsey as sharing keyboard duties for the album in studio in Christine's absence. Stevie should have really been playing, if not behind a keyboard or piano on all songs, she should have at least done two or three songs at a baby grand. Landslide, for one.



Can Lindsey play cello?
I note Sheryl also played keys on Say You Will in studio, including a vibraphone. Does anyone know if this was a real vibraphone or if it was a keyboard? Edit: my bad, a vibraphone is a percussion instrument.


You don't play a musical instrument do you? Stevie Nicks cannot play the piano or the guitar.

David 08-21-2019 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1253867)
What's impossible to believe is that her.....followers.....think that $he plays great! I could teach my dog to play as well as $he does! :laugh::wavey::laugh::wavey::laugh:

I got in an argument years ago with someone claiming that Nicks was playing the piano on this master reel rendition of Bella Donna.

I tried explaining for a million very detailed reasons that, no, that wasn't her.

Now this is Stevie at the piano. Can y'all hear the obvious differences? Stevie's playing isn't primarily chordal, it's unitone (I think I made that word up). I don't know what to call it - sounds like a musically illiterate notion of an Alberti bass figure that never modulates, but just keeps plinky-plonking on the exact same note, over and over. The passing tones (where the bass walks up the scale) are all wrong, and there are weird second and third inversions everywhere that compromise the song's tonic integrity. The whole accompaniment is repetitive - no variation anywhere. No dynamic range, no arpeggios, no development - nothing that the song developed into instrumentally. Vocally, of course, she gives it plenty, but that was usually true of her demos. She writes her songs . . . by singing them. That's how they get cemented. And please don't cite her piano work on Rhiannon. She isn't doing anything even mildly interesting or skilled. She is plonking two-note chords (the clinical term is dyad) ascending and then descending in the right hand, alternating with plonk-plonk bass on A and F in the left. I've taught a million children piano, and they all do that. Her contribution to that great track was a vocal and lyrical one.

On the piano, she has (and had) absolutely no skill. In fact, I think she's a mildly better guitarist, based on the guitar on her Enchanted demo of Twisted.

David 08-21-2019 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1253871)
Anyway, never mind that Stevie Nicks wrote the guitar for Leather and Lace and Landslide, and the piano for Lady From the Mountains and Rhiannon.

I think it's vague to say she wrote the "guitar" or the "piano" for such-and-such song because that implies that she wrote the guitar or piano part(s) that we all recognize from the recording. But that's not true in the case of Landslide and Rhiannon. She wrote the lyrics and the vocal line, supplied the main chords, and accompanied herself on those demos. There's a big difference.


Quote:

She must be horrible.
Not horrible. She's a great singer and performer, and many people believe a great songwriter. She is not an instrument player in any memorable sense.

Quote:

Note a subtle difference here: she WROTE the music for these four songs, no, she did not record the instruments herself, true, but she was in the room with: Don Henley, and separately Lindsey Buckingham and Dave Stewart, telling them what to play and how to play it - they arranged it their own ways, sure, but she wrote it.
I think you're confusing a couple of different things here. She did not tell Lindsey Buckingham what to play - unless you mean supplying him with the basic chords and singing the song to him so he got the feel. (A chord is a chord, and a part is a part - they're not synonymous.) She certainly didn't tell him how to play a modified Travis-style finger pick, and that's what Landslide is. She completely lacks the expertise on guitar to have arranged that part. The guitar part that we hear on the track is LB's work, not hers. In some cases, her demos may have given the rest of the band an idea of what sort of instrumental part to create. For example, the Smile at You piano from 1982 sounds like Christine playing something a little more upscale from something Stevie probably played for her - same thing with Sara. And we've already all heard about how Dreams (FM7 - G) developed when the others got their hands on her idea and fleshed it out. Even a great pianist like Bittan riffed on Stevie's simple figure on the piano - on How Still My Love, for example. But there are plenty of other occasions - Rhiannon is one of them - where the guys playing the instruments had to invent the various parts because they weren't there before.

bombaysaffires 08-21-2019 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 1253908)
I think it's vague to say she wrote the "guitar" or the "piano" for such-and-such song because that implies that she wrote the guitar or piano part(s) that we all recognize from the recording. But that's not true in the case of Landslide and Rhiannon. She wrote the lyrics and the vocal line, supplied the main chords, and accompanied herself on those demos. There's a big difference.


Not horrible. She's a great singer and performer, and many people believe a great songwriter. She is not an instrument player in any memorable sense.

I think you're confusing a couple of different things here. She did not tell Lindsey Buckingham what to play - unless you mean supplying him with the basic chords and singing the song to him so he got the feel. (A chord is a chord, and a part is a part - they're not synonymous.) She certainly didn't tell him how to play a modified Travis-style finger pick, and that's what Landslide is. She completely lacks the expertise on guitar to have arranged that part. The guitar part that we hear on the track is LB's work, not hers. In some cases, her demos may have given the rest of the band an idea of what sort of instrumental part to create. For example, the Smile at You piano from 1982 sounds like Christine playing something a little more upscale from something Stevie probably played for her - same thing with Sara. And we've already all heard about how Dreams (FM7 - G) developed when the others got their hands on her idea and fleshed it out. Even a great pianist like Bittan riffed on Stevie's simple figure on the piano - on How Still My Love, for example. But there are plenty of other occasions - Rhiannon is one of them - where the guys playing the instruments had to invent the various parts because they weren't there before.

all of which is exactly why Lindsey has said that numerous songs of her should have been properly credited as co-writes (with him).

HomerMcvie 08-21-2019 10:39 PM

But David, she just luuurrrrvvvveeeessss $tevie so much.

You can't say that about her!

Now take it back! :mad::mad::mad:



:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

secret love 08-22-2019 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires (Post 1253910)
all of which is exactly why Lindsey has said that numerous songs of her should have been properly credited as co-writes (with him).

When and where has he ever said this? He by many accounts was all too happy to give her the credit.

Also note that in the 2013 documentary, Stevie pointedly says she has gone to get guitar and piano lessons many times over the years but Lindsey and Waddy and others stopped her from going. "That gives you rules - and once you have rules, it changes how you play - and the way you play is so unique"

bombaysaffires 08-22-2019 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1253923)
When and where has he ever said this? He by many accounts was all too happy to give her the credit.

Also note that in the 2013 documentary, Stevie pointedly says she has gone to get guitar and piano lessons many times over the years but Lindsey and Waddy and others stopped her from going. "That gives you rules - and once you have rules, it changes how you play - and the way you play is so unique"

I'll see if I can find a link to the video. He was doing a sit down interview at a college or something and was playing through various of his songs and hers and explaining what he did on each of them.

bombaysaffires 08-22-2019 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David (Post 1253908)
I think it's vague to say she wrote the "guitar" or the "piano" for such-and-such song because that implies that she wrote the guitar or piano part(s) that we all recognize from the recording. But that's not true in the case of Landslide and Rhiannon. She wrote the lyrics and the vocal line, supplied the main chords, and accompanied herself on those demos. There's a big difference.


Not horrible. She's a great singer and performer, and many people believe a great songwriter. She is not an instrument player in any memorable sense.

I think you're confusing a couple of different things here. She did not tell Lindsey Buckingham what to play - unless you mean supplying him with the basic chords and singing the song to him so he got the feel. (A chord is a chord, and a part is a part - they're not synonymous.) She certainly didn't tell him how to play a modified Travis-style finger pick, and that's what Landslide is. She completely lacks the expertise on guitar to have arranged that part. The guitar part that we hear on the track is LB's work, not hers. In some cases, her demos may have given the rest of the band an idea of what sort of instrumental part to create. For example, the Smile at You piano from 1982 sounds like Christine playing something a little more upscale from something Stevie probably played for her - same thing with Sara. And we've already all heard about how Dreams (FM7 - G) developed when the others got their hands on her idea and fleshed it out. Even a great pianist like Bittan riffed on Stevie's simple figure on the piano - on How Still My Love, for example. But there are plenty of other occasions - Rhiannon is one of them - where the guys playing the instruments had to invent the various parts because they weren't there before.


Great example from the man himself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEHoxez7QdE

he's exceedingly diplomatic about the music she brings in...."all 3 sections of the songs just doing that for 4 mins.. you need something else"

secret love 08-24-2019 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires (Post 1253925)
Great example from the man himself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEHoxez7QdE

he's exceedingly diplomatic about the music she brings in...."all 3 sections of the songs just doing that for 4 mins.. you need something else"

This is one of my songs I'm most proud of... unfortunately it is not possible in this forum to upload the piano demo, so here's the finished product:



There is a lot of production skill going into that and a measure of co-writing from the producer ... I've always done best working with other people who have more of an idea than me ...

I think it was a great musical partnership between Stevie and Lindsey. I had that with someone, too, now sadly we don't speak. I think I'm drawing parallels that aren't really there but I'm attempting to convey how much pzazz Lindsey added to Stevie's work and in turn how much she added to his projects with her vocal harmonies. It's a two way symbiosis.

Does anyone know if the guitar for Landslide drew from Stephanie (the song)?

HomerMcvie 08-24-2019 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1253943)
This is one of my songs I'm most proud of... unfortunately it is not possible in this forum to upload the piano demo, so here's the finished product:



There is a lot of production skill going into that and a measure of co-writing from the producer ... I've always done best working with other people who have more of an idea than me ...

I think it was a great musical partnership between Stevie and Lindsey. I had that with someone, too, now sadly we don't speak. I think I'm drawing parallels that aren't really there but I'm attempting to convey how much pzazz Lindsey added to Stevie's work and in turn how much she added to his projects with her vocal harmonies. It's a two way symbiosis.

Does anyone know if the guitar for Landslide drew from Stephanie (the song)?

WHY is this in the Rumours Forum??

Chit Chat, at best. Hawk your wares elsewhere.:laugh:

secret love 08-30-2019 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1253947)
WHY is this in the Rumours Forum??

Chit Chat, at best. Hawk your wares elsewhere.:laugh:

Answer the question in my post you've quoted, Fleetwood Mac expert, Homer McVie. Was Stephanie the guitar song by Lindsey on Buckingham Nicks the inspiration for the Landslide guitar music?

HomerMcvie 08-30-2019 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1253994)
Answer the question in my post you've quoted, Fleetwood Mac expert, Homer McVie. Was Stephanie the guitar song by Lindsey on Buckingham Nicks the inspiration for the Landslide guitar music?

I have NO idea. I'm NOT a Buckingham Nicks expert. I've literally only listened to it a handful of times.

You rear your head about once a week, and lash out in defense of your queen.

How's that working for you? :wavey::lol::lol::lol:

Netter75 08-31-2019 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1253997)
I have NO idea. I'm NOT a Buckingham Nicks expert. I've literally only listened to it a handful of times.

What'd you think of Buckingham Nicks?

HomerMcvie 08-31-2019 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Netter75 (Post 1253998)
What'd you think of Buckingham Nicks?

It just never really caught my ear. Seemed a little too sleepy for me(honestly, it's been a good 5 years since I've even given it a play, so I'm working on some older memories here).

Should I give it another chance? That old bitter shrew is on it....:p;):p

secret love 08-31-2019 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1253999)
It just never really caught my ear. Seemed a little too sleepy for me(honestly, it's been a good 5 years since I've even given it a play, so I'm working on some older memories here).

Should I give it another chance? That old bitter shrew is on it....:p;):p

Stevie Nicks is my queen, Home McVie. Not because she de-throned Lindsey, because Lindsey was my king, by the way... but because I love her voice, her lyrics and her music.

Shrew? I've read The Taming of the Shrew and if you haven't read it or seen the play or a movie, you really should. 10 Things I Hate About You also suffices as it is an adaptation of the Shakespeare. Now Katherina was a shrew. Stevie is not. Stevie Nicks is love personified. She can be quite haughty, sure. She said in a 60 Minutes Australia interview for her last solo tour that she can be really scary. So she is aware of it...

but she loves Lindsey, in her heart of hearts, Christine wrote to Lindsey in her email after the court settlement... "Christine wrote that, she believes, in her her heart of hearts, Stevie wants you [Lindsey] to come home".

secret love 08-31-2019 02:00 AM

Homer McVie, you really take a dim view of Stephanie Lynn Nicks.

It is quite sad and pathetic, to be honest.

Stevie is forced to talk about Lindsey during every single tour press interview for the "An Evening with Fleetwood Mac" Tour.

If you watched any of those interviews with her - and I am guessing you don't - she is more than complimentary to him. She is appreciative of their shared legacy and the help he gave to her but she says (in her own words) that the situation had become intractable and couldn't be worked out other than by him or herself leaving.

FuzzyPlum 08-31-2019 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1254002)
Homer McVie, you really take a dim view of Stephanie Lynn Nicks.

It is quite sad and pathetic, to be honest.

Stevie is forced to talk about Lindsey during every single tour press interview for the "An Evening with Fleetwood Mac" Tour.

If you watched any of those interviews with her - and I am guessing you don't - she is more than complimentary to him. She is appreciative of their shared legacy and the help he gave to her but she says (in her own words) that the situation had become intractable and couldn't be worked out other than by him or herself leaving.

I don't think most 'normal' people would have felt that way. However, assuming it was that bad for her then the right, noble and honorable thing to do would have been for her to leave. That she said 'he has to leave' is sh!t.

HomerMcvie 08-31-2019 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1254002)
Homer McVie, you really take a dim view of Stephanie Lynn Nicks.

It is quite sad and pathetic, to be honest.

Stevie is forced to talk about Lindsey during every single tour press interview for the "An Evening with Fleetwood Mac" Tour.

If you watched any of those interviews with her - and I am guessing you don't - she is more than complimentary to him. She is appreciative of their shared legacy and the help he gave to her but she says (in her own words) that the situation had become intractable and couldn't be worked out other than by him or herself leaving.

No sh*t, Sherlock.

Nobody asked you.

I wouldn't know. I have zero interest in this incarnation of the band.

Zero f*cks given.

bombaysaffires 08-31-2019 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1254002)
Homer McVie, you really take a dim view of Stephanie Lynn Nicks.

It is quite sad and pathetic, to be honest.

Stevie is forced to talk about Lindsey during every single tour press interview for the "An Evening with Fleetwood Mac" Tour.

If you watched any of those interviews with her - and I am guessing you don't - she is more than complimentary to him. She is appreciative of their shared legacy and the help he gave to her but she says (in her own words) that the situation had become intractable and couldn't be worked out other than by him or herself leaving.

how many has she actually done? Other than the CBS interview.....pretty much none.

secret love 08-31-2019 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires (Post 1254017)
how many has she actually done? Other than the CBS interview.....pretty much none.

She did 60 Minutes Australia. (Edit: she did SUNDAY NIGHT Australia)
I'm not sending you the link because you should find it yourself, you clearly haven't tried to look for it before.

cbBen 09-01-2019 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1254020)
She did 60 Minutes Australia. (Edit: she did SUNDAY NIGHT Australia)
I'm not sending you the link because you should find it yourself, you clearly haven't tried to look for it before.

If you're referring to this, they're using footage from their 2013 interview with them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=NaIzOzC8xrM


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