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elle 06-15-2018 05:36 PM

what an a$$hole!!!!!
 
no-creativity water-treading shameless a$$hole going by the name Mick Fleetwood.

i'm sorry, but how can anyone calling themselves any era FM fan (Peter Green, Bob Welch, Classic 5, post-Rumours - any version and/or members) give money to this guy in concert is way way beyond me. every time he opens his mouth he buries the current FM version deeper and deeper.

this Mick guy apparently doesn't seem to have an ounce of creativity left in him. he recycles Lindsey's words about treading water, importance of remaining creative, or throwing out some music as calling cards before the tour... so nauseating.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/mick-fleet...kip=1529090510

Mick Fleetwood on the new Fleetwood Mac: 'It's important to remain creative and not tread water'

sodascouts 06-15-2018 05:57 PM

"In fact, [after firing Lindsey] they even considered not going forward at one point, but it didn’t take long before they realized they wanted to stick together.

'Well, it was a huddle, really. It was a team huddle of the existing band members to really not panic into anything, other than really following our hearts as to what this meant — which was huge, any which way you look at it,' Fleetwood muses."

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How can he say it was a "team huddle of the existing band members" when it directly contradicts what he said earlier in the CBS interview, about making the decision to fire Lindsey without consulting Christine?

And how can he say that they considering disbanding after firing Lindsey when they fired him in order for the band to tour? That's just asinine! Obviously, if it were down to keeping him or disbanding, they'd just keep him!

Can't even keep track of his own lies...

jwd 06-15-2018 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elle (Post 1230969)
no-creativity water-treading shameless a$$hole going by the name Mick Fleetwood.

i'm sorry, but how can anyone calling themselves any era FM fan (Peter Green, Bob Welch, Classic 5, post-Rumours - any version and/or members) give money to this guy in concert is way way beyond me. every time he opens his mouth he buries the current FM version deeper and deeper.

this Mick guy apparently doesn't seem to have an ounce of creativity left in him. he recycles Lindsey's words about treading water, importance of remaining creative, or throwing out some music as calling cards before the tour... so nauseating.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/mick-fleet...kip=1529090510

Mick Fleetwood on the new Fleetwood Mac: 'It's important to remain creative and not tread water'


That's what he should have told Stevie before he fired HER a few years ago.

sasja 06-15-2018 07:22 PM

All I can say is, I am pleased to not have given that shyster a penny of my money since purchasing the Tango in the Night album. Very, very pleased!


:blob2::thumbsup:

Storms123 06-15-2018 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sasja (Post 1230990)
All I can say is, I am pleased to not have given that shyster a penny of my money since purchasing the Tango in the Night album. Very, very pleased!


:blob2::thumbsup:

It's beyond a head scratcher. Firing is a "Dirty word" but much kudos and respect now and into the future.......What does that even mean? No bueno.

DownOnRodeo 06-15-2018 10:20 PM

Don't all his meandering cliches make you want to play Mad Libs?

“Well, it was a _______, really. It was huge, any which way you look at it"

"We took the ______ by the ______. It was really as simple as that. But it certainly took a real, meaningful breath."

"All of us, probably in our various ways, came to that decision that we want to, we need to, _______."


Meanwhile, I think I detect a hint of actual meaning behind his rambling.

Nancy points out that the logic doesn't fit because "how can he say that they considering disbanding after firing Lindsey when they fired him in order for the band to tour?"

My theory for translating what he's saying is that there were at least two main factions (an anti-LB side spearheaded by Stevie and (in response to that) a pro-LB side solely or primarily constituted by Christine) and that all of Mick's musings about "taking a real, meaningful breath," "galvanizing," "needing to feel good about it" are references to the reservations on the side of the pro-LB faction, and the efforts by the anti-LB side to convince them. But whenever Mick speaks, he only permits himself to talk of the LB-less band as if it's a five-legged octopus missing one tentacle and has only one collective brain controlling its decisions, which results in this conflated nonsense.

So I think that what he is saying is probably an accurate description of what happened per se, once you translate it to two account for the existence of the two factions, and read between the lines accordingly.

But yes, as a statement of record, it ends up sounding contradictory in the way it's currently phrased.

Storms123 06-15-2018 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DownOnRodeo (Post 1231008)
Don't all his meandering cliches make you want to play Mad Libs?

“Well, it was a _______, really. It was huge, any which way you look at it"

"We took the ______ by the ______. It was really as simple as that. But it certainly took a real, meaningful breath."

"All of us, probably in our various ways, came to that decision that we want to, we need to, _______."


Meanwhile, I think I detect a hint of actual meaning behind his rambling.

Nancy points out that the logic doesn't fit because "how can he say that they considering disbanding after firing Lindsey when they fired him in order for the band to tour?"

My theory for translating what he's saying is that there were at least two main factions (an anti-LB side spearheaded by Stevie and (in response to that) a pro-LB side solely or primarily constituted by Christine) and that all of Mick's musings about "taking a real, meaningful breath," "galvanizing," "needing to feel good about it" are references to the reservations on the side of the pro-LB faction, and the efforts by the anti-LB side to convince them. But whenever Mick speaks, he only permits himself to talk of the LB-less band as if it's a five-legged octopus missing one tentacle and has only one collective brain controlling its decisions, which results in this conflated nonsense.

So I think that what he is saying is probably an accurate description of what happened per se, once you translate it to two account for the existence of the two factions, and read between the lines accordingly.

But yes, as a statement of record, it ends up sounding contradictory in the way it's currently phrased.

OMG---Fleetwood MAC libs could be so fun! Great idea.

AncientQueen 06-16-2018 02:01 AM

Mhhhokay, Mick is running in circles.

Nice tribute to Lindseys outstanding work as a wordsmith over the years.:)

iamnotafraid 06-16-2018 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elle (Post 1230969)
no-creativity water-treading shameless a$$hole going by the name Mick Fleetwood...

Poor Mick. I think that pin in the voodoo doll finally
caught up with him.

Note to self, don't befriend Mick Fleetwood

p.s.
That article finally addressed why Stevie hates Germany.
I never would have guessed the reason...

guillamene 06-16-2018 05:33 AM

Agree!
Said it before: why is he using the prospect of Neil/Mike solo material in the set to promote a FLEETWOOD MAC tour?
Pathetic and sad...….at least we have great tours to look back on.

DownOnRodeo 06-16-2018 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Storms123 (Post 1231004)
It's beyond a head scratcher. Firing is a "Dirty word" but much kudos and respect now and into the future.......What does that even mean?

It means that if Stevie, heaven forbid, drops dead tomorrow from too much dancing around her apartment, Lindsey will be Mick's new and oldest BFF who he could not possibly have ever magined touring without.

sleepless child 06-16-2018 08:09 AM

From the sound of the article, it's almost like Mick is trying to say Lindsey quit them and left the Mac not knowing what to do. You fired Lindsey Mick, your decision. And moving forward and not treading water? Stevie is the one not doing that with only wanting to do a hits tour every 3 years. Lindsey wanted new material. I am starting to lose it with these people. I really wish Lindsey would do an interview and tell us what happened. None of this makes sense.

sodascouts 06-16-2018 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleepless child (Post 1231033)
From the sound of the article, it's almost like Mick is trying to say Lindsey quit them and left the Mac not knowing what to do. You fired Lindsey Mick, your decision. And moving forward and not treading water? Stevie is the one not doing that with only wanting to do a hits tour every 3 years. Lindsey wanted new material. I am starting to lose it with these people. I really wish Lindsey would do an interview and tell us what happened. None of this makes sense.

Yes, acting as if they had no idea who they should call to replace him, and all four of them as a team thought about it hard...and then they came up with Mike Campbell! I bet all that might have been inspired by the TMZ question about Stevie getting Lindsey fired with the explicit purpose of replacing him with Mike.

Nevermind the fact that they had Mike Campbell on the phone to replace Lindsey so quickly that it's possible he might have known about the firing before Lindsey and Christine did!

What was it - 6 days after MusiCares? And Christine and Lindsey left the day after thinking he was still in the band, so they have to wait until Christine goes, so assuming Christine left the very same day and they decided the very next day...

They called Mike at most 4 days after they fired Lindsey.

HomerMcvie 06-16-2018 11:41 AM

I'd bet anything that $tevie had already "what if?'d" Mike, and knew he'd be on board.

jbrownsjr 06-16-2018 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1231047)
I'd bet anything that $tevie had already "what if?'d" Mike, and knew he'd be on board.

Of course they had it planned before they ousted him. $tevie played this perfectly.

sodascouts 06-16-2018 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1231048)
Of course they had it planned before they ousted him. $tevie played this perfectly.

True. Stevie must have floated it by him to make sure he'd be available and willing.

I wonder if he feels even a smidge guilty, considering how much he claims to respect Lindsey?

jbrownsjr 06-16-2018 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sodascouts (Post 1231053)
True. Stevie must have floated it by him to make sure he'd be available and willing.

I wonder if he feels even a smidge guilty, consider how much he claims to respect Lindsey?

$$$$ washes all the guilt away.

dreamsunwind 06-16-2018 03:11 PM

Just ridiculous. Those are basically Lindsey's own words.

Macfan4life 06-16-2018 03:46 PM

I think everyone is freaking out over nothing. Of course Mick is going to say these things. My prediction will come true of them doing a new song in concert just to try to legitimize the band so everyone thinks they are the real deal. What else is Mick going to say? Of course he is being very optimistic about creativity and music. I don't see him saying anything other than what he has to say to convince himself and others this is not some replacement to do one final tour.

secondhandchain 06-16-2018 07:18 PM

Mick you are an a$$h$ole!

sodascouts 06-16-2018 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DownOnRodeo (Post 1231008)

Meanwhile, I think I detect a hint of actual meaning behind his rambling.

Nancy points out that the logic doesn't fit because "how can he say that they considering disbanding after firing Lindsey when they fired him in order for the band to tour?"

My theory for translating what he's saying is that there were at least two main factions (an anti-LB side spearheaded by Stevie and (in response to that) a pro-LB side solely or primarily constituted by Christine) and that all of Mick's musings about "taking a real, meaningful breath," "galvanizing," "needing to feel good about it" are references to the reservations on the side of the pro-LB faction, and the efforts by the anti-LB side to convince them. But whenever Mick speaks, he only permits himself to talk of the LB-less band as if it's a five-legged octopus missing one tentacle and has only one collective brain controlling its decisions, which results in this conflated nonsense.

So I think that what he is saying is probably an accurate description of what happened per se, once you translate it to two account for the existence of the two factions, and read between the lines accordingly.

But yes, as a statement of record, it ends up sounding contradictory in the way it's currently phrased.

I don't think his phrasing is an accident. I think he's purposefully trying to obfuscate what really happened. He is making it sound like they all had a crisis when really it was just Christine who was upset, and she found out after the fact. He's being deliberately misleading, IMHO, and that is as dishonest as an outright lie.

sasja 06-16-2018 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sodascouts (Post 1231088)
I don't think his phrasing is an accident. I think he's purposefully trying to obfuscate what really happened. He is making it sound like they all had a crisis when really it was just Christine who was upset, and she found out after the fact. He's being deliberately misleading, IMHO, and that is as dishonest as an outright lie.

More so, in my book, as it requires so much forethought and planning. It's so malicious. It's depressing, the lack of balls here. And for Mick, no less. :] :lol:

lennonfan 06-17-2018 05:20 AM

Hot off the presses!!! NEW ALBUM TITLE!!!

FLEETWOOD MAC - JUMPS THE SHARK

snroxman 06-17-2018 07:36 AM

Lemonfan - great title!! I love it.

This situation is so sad. Mick is doing PR, but still! I'd like to think that one or two of the members would have a conscience and a respect for their own legacy. I keep hoping common sense will prevail, but I guess not.

lennonfan 06-17-2018 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snroxman (Post 1231102)
Lemonfan - great title!! I love it.

This situation is so sad. Mick is doing PR, but still! I'd like to think that one or two of the members would have a conscience and a respect for their own legacy. I keep hoping common sense will prevail, but I guess not.

had it been a situation where Lindsey said 'I've had enough, I'm out' I would look at this situation so differently.....not that I would be enthused in the least, but at least I'd have an ear bent toward hearing the new results. Not now, not at all. I'm not understanding this at all, this bit from Mick about 'being creative' sounds like it came from a script written by Lindsey.

I think it really is about Stevie not wanting to work with him anymore. If she had, they would be! So, continued respect for Stevie the artist but Stevie the Diva looks about as bad as it gets.

SteveMacD 06-17-2018 11:30 AM

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David 06-17-2018 12:03 PM

Mick Fleetwood is so messed up in the head (we've all known for years) that I have to admit it IS fun to knock him over and over. In the Seventies, when he headed Seedy, he had integrity, if not personally then at least for Fleetwood Mac. He rightfully slammed Frampton for allowing himself to be marketed with gimmicky saturation campaigns (tchotchkes and other giveaways packed inside albums), and prevented Fleetwood Mac from being packaged and sold in like manner. But the integrity in Mick completely withered up within, say, five years of that. It was actually fun in those days being a fan of a superstar band that was so hip because of its music and its self-management. I remember how cool I thought it was that a band whose music was not a sellout also didn't crassly market itself like a Teen Beat idol. It was a rock band in those days, first and last. Probably without much in the way of obstruction from the others, Mick took it down over the years with his wines and eateries and his stupid lineups and all his other crap, so it's fun raking him over the hot coals. It's self-sustaining.

secondhandchain 06-17-2018 12:12 PM

When I saw the dollar signs, I immediately knew what this thread was about.

secret love 06-17-2018 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elle (Post 1230969)
no-creativity water-treading shameless a$$hole going by the name Mick Fleetwood.

i'm sorry, but how can anyone calling themselves any era FM fan (Peter Green, Bob Welch, Classic 5, post-Rumours - any version and/or members) give money to this guy in concert is way way beyond me. every time he opens his mouth he buries the current FM version deeper and deeper.

this Mick guy apparently doesn't seem to have an ounce of creativity left in him. he recycles Lindsey's words about treading water, importance of remaining creative, or throwing out some music as calling cards before the tour... so nauseating.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/mick-fleet...kip=1529090510

Mick Fleetwood on the new Fleetwood Mac: 'It's important to remain creative and not tread water'

Mick is many things. Greedy and self serving yes, but of those many things-An orifice is not one of them. You ought to be ashamed of the hate and dare I say it, DEFAMATION you are spreading, given you get so upset when your boyfriend Lindsey is defamed. No doubt you won't like to hear this but you need to listen and take it on board. I know he's not actually your boyfriend and yes I'm antagonizing you by saying that but YOU are antagonizing me and other fans of Mick by calling him an a-hole. :distress:

trackaghost 06-17-2018 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1231048)
Of course they had it planned before they ousted him. $tevie played this perfectly.

This. Stevie wanted him in the band and knew he would do it. I think the idea of Mike being in the band has been forming ever since Tom died.

StreetAngel86 06-17-2018 06:36 PM

Fleetwood Mac the band is DEAD

Mick "dollar signs" Fleetwood needs to rebrand
so this new band can disappear into the cosmos and we don't have to hear about them ever again.


ETA: secretlove Mick Fleetwood IS an A$ $ HO LE. class 1. he doesn't give a a flying F about this band or the fans. can't even keep track of his own lies and doesn't value the longterm fans, lindsey's loyalty or the legacy of the band to even tell a remote sliver or Truth. if that doesn't make him an asshole, dunno what does.

button-lip 06-17-2018 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr.Brown (Post 1230973)
Agree 100% - what a shameless shyster. I'll chuckle at the inevitable YouTube videos posted for Finnwood Mike but no way would I do anything that would line the pockets of this MF <-his initials are quite apt! :mad:

I'm not even gonna waste my time on those YT videos :rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by sodascouts (Post 1231044)
Yes, acting as if they had no idea who they should call to replace him, and all four of them as a team thought about it hard...and then they came up with Mike Campbell! I bet all that might have been inspired by the TMZ question about Stevie getting Lindsey fired with the explicit purpose of replacing him with Mike.

Nevermind the fact that they had Mike Campbell on the phone to replace Lindsey so quickly that it's possible he might have known about the firing before Lindsey and Christine did!

What was it - 6 days after MusiCares? And Christine and Lindsey left the day after thinking he was still in the band, so they have to wait until Christine goes, so assuming Christine left the very same day and they decided the very next day...

They called Mike at most 4 days after they fired Lindsey.

I asked if when MC was approached he knew what was gonna happen to Lindsey, because I think the question was inevitable. And the answer was "yes".


Quote:

Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1231123)
Mick is many things. Greedy and self serving yes, but of those many things-An orifice is not one of them. You ought to be ashamed of the hate and dare I say it, DEFAMATION you are spreading, given you get so upset when your boyfriend Lindsey is defamed. No doubt you won't like to hear this but you need to listen and take it on board. I know he's not actually your boyfriend and yes I'm antagonizing you by saying that but YOU are antagonizing me and other fans of Mick by calling him an a-hole. :distress:

Are you kidding? Mick is all those things and more. What other fans of Mick? Anyway, being an a$$hole is different than being an a*shole. :angel:

Storms123 06-17-2018 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snroxman (Post 1231102)
Lemonfan - great title!! I love it.

This situation is so sad. Mick is doing PR, but still! I'd like to think that one or two of the members would have a conscience and a respect for their own legacy. I keep hoping common sense will prevail, but I guess not.

I think he's doing what he needs to do to legitimize this lineup and their actions. I'd like to see if/how the narrative changes once the tour starts and reviews come out. Who knows, maybe they purposefully left Christine out of it, so she would be the one to go and try to mend fences when this all goes south! LOL

sasja 06-17-2018 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1231123)
Mick is many things. Greedy and self serving yes, but of those many things-An orifice is not one of them. You ought to be ashamed of the hate and dare I say it, DEFAMATION you are spreading, given you get so upset when your boyfriend Lindsey is defamed. No doubt you won't like to hear this but you need to listen and take it on board. I know he's not actually your boyfriend and yes I'm antagonizing you by saying that but YOU are antagonizing me and other fans of Mick by calling him an a-hole. :distress:

Holy moley close call between which of all these statements is the most flabbergasting; an interesting choice, as well, to be fan-atical about a "greedy and self-serving, yes" - person. IMHO.

In other news though, I do know THIS -- rest assured that that man hardly needs any help from us denizens, reputationwise. He seems to be managing the vicious spiral downwards quite well without any outside help. :rolleyes:

BigAl84 06-18-2018 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1231123)
Mick is many things. Greedy and self serving yes, but of those many things-An orifice is not one of them. You ought to be ashamed of the hate and dare I say it, DEFAMATION you are spreading, given you get so upset when your boyfriend Lindsey is defamed. No doubt you won't like to hear this but you need to listen and take it on board. I know he's not actually your boyfriend and yes I'm antagonizing you by saying that but YOU are antagonizing me and other fans of Mick by calling him an a-hole. :distress:


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Angel75 06-18-2018 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1231123)
Mick is many things. Greedy and self serving yes, but of those many things-An orifice is not one of them. You ought to be ashamed of the hate and dare I say it, DEFAMATION you are spreading, given you get so upset when your boyfriend Lindsey is defamed. No doubt you won't like to hear this but you need to listen and take it on board. I know he's not actually your boyfriend and yes I'm antagonizing you by saying that but YOU are antagonizing me and other fans of Mick by calling him an a-hole. :distress:


You are a Mick fan you say, I'm just interested in what you believe his redeeming features are these days?

JohnL 06-18-2018 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elle (Post 1230969)
no-creativity water-treading shameless a$$hole going by the name Mick Fleetwood.

i'm sorry, but how can anyone calling themselves any era FM fan (Peter Green, Bob Welch, Classic 5, post-Rumours - any version and/or members) give money to this guy in concert is way way beyond me. every time he opens his mouth he buries the current FM version deeper and deeper.

this Mick guy apparently doesn't seem to have an ounce of creativity left in him. he recycles Lindsey's words about treading water, importance of remaining creative, or throwing out some music as calling cards before the tour... so nauseating.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/mick-fleet...kip=1529090510

Mick Fleetwood on the new Fleetwood Mac: 'It's important to remain creative and not tread water'

In all seriousness, can you please express your opinion without calling anyone names? I cannot believe this continues to be allowed over and over on this board. And Lindsey does not have the market on pretty words. Mick has always spoken pretty eloquently without sounding rehearsed.

JohnL 06-18-2018 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1231123)
Mick is many things. Greedy and self serving yes, but of those many things-An orifice is not one of them. You ought to be ashamed of the hate and dare I say it, DEFAMATION you are spreading, given you get so upset when your boyfriend Lindsey is defamed. No doubt you won't like to hear this but you need to listen and take it on board. I know he's not actually your boyfriend and yes I'm antagonizing you by saying that but YOU are antagonizing me and other fans of Mick by calling him an a-hole. :distress:

Hallelujah!!

FuzzyPlum 06-18-2018 04:16 PM

I think there should probably be a stand alone thread for times when Mick Fleetwood was an ass.
Personally, the more I've read about it, the more I feel he was a complete ass during the fake Fleetwood Mac period. He's an ass. I don't hate him. He has some redeeming features, but he's still an ass.

jbrownsjr 06-19-2018 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum (Post 1231223)
I think there should probably be a stand alone thread for times when Mick Fleetwood was an ass.
Personally, the more I've read about it, the more I feel he was a complete ass during the fake Fleetwood Mac period. He's an ass. I don't hate him. He has some redeeming features, but he's still an ass.

We don't always agree. But, I've always respected your clear and direct opinions. :lol:


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