Goodbye Lindsey, I hardly knew ya
 

So Lindsey has been fired from FM, they say. A sad reality for FM fans to face and I will never really understand why it happened. Maybe it isn't even my business, but anyway. It will really change the sound of the band live or (tiny remote miniscule possibility) in the studio. Lindsey, your producing was amazing. From Tusk through to SYW you took the girls' (or girl's) songs and made them real works of art. But I must say, I never liked your own music very much. Always skippables, rather annoying diversions from the juicy songs from Stevie and Christine, to me and any friends I have who are into FM at all. You sure took up a lot of space on TITN and SYW and those albums feel like Lindsey solo albums made into FM albums, maybe when you realized your own solo albums would not sell or the labels were reluctant to work with you? Even on Buckingham McVie you was really into yourself musically. I downloaded Christine's songs from that one, anyway, you obviously brought a lot of life to them. So, goodbye Lindsey and thanks for the magnificent legacy which lives on in Christine and Stevie's songs on FM albums. Unless you return to FM in a studio, though, we will probably never meet again, buddy.

There's always a minority opinion on every topic.

:laugh::laugh::laugh: Evidently!

I have been primarily a Stevie Nicks fan, but I don’t defend her in the face of wrong decisions. Even in my love for Stevie, I will proclaim that Lindsey Buckingham is one of the greatest guitarist/producers in the history of rock n roll. He is the mastermind behind what has become known as the classic Fleetwood Mac sound. Without him, Fleetwood Mac becomes bland and uninspired (reference 87-90). Moreover, if you cannot hear inspiring perfection in iconic tunes like “Never Going Back Again”, “Second Hand News”, “I Know I’m Not Wrong” and “Big Love”, you may be missing an ear for good music. The dismissal of Lindsey Buckingham from Fleetwood Mac is a musical crime. Shame! I wish the current lineup no ill will, but the decision makers have made a disastrous mistake. #WhoAreYouPeople?

Ha, I plan on seeing him in concert this year. Not so much FM. Lindsey is affordable and puts on one hell of a live show. :thumbsup: Not to mention he'll be playing NEW music!!

I hope he also does FM songs he hasn't done in a long time (or never!). I also hope to hear som BV songs too. Not so much for BN. :D

And he's a nice guy who appreciates and acknowledges his fans!

Cannot WAIT!!!

Really well said! Thank you

And to me and to just about everyone I know who's into Fleetwood Mac at all, that couldn't be farther from the truth!

I 100% agree.
And love that you specifically named I Know I'm Not Wrong. One of my favorite Lindsey songs ever.

Lindsey's actually so nice to fans. I was honestly surprised by all of the countless fan encounter stories I've heard. I don't know why I just wouldn't have expected it from him? According to just about everyone who interacted with/met him at shows as well as just random encounters and things like that, he's very open and approachable. He actually chats with the people and isn't afraid to get close to them.

I have also heard this from anyone who has ever had an encounter with him as fans. That he is warm approachable and down to earth .One girl I want to a show with years ago actually cried when she met him and he smiled and said "but will you still love me tomorrow"?

I very much agree. And I never would have
guessed he'd be that way. I'd have placed
money on the opposite.

I'm not into Lindseys songs that much, too, BUT - you are vastly underrating him for FM here. Imho he had so many songs on the albums because without them, the albums wouldn't have happened at all. Christine writes for a project, she does 3 or 4 good tracks - that's it. All Stevie has to offer for decades now are old demos, and she plundered whatever she had thoroughly for her solo recordings. So Lindseys work of art has not been putting his songs on FM, but rather bringing out the best in Christine, dusting off Stevies tired old leftovers, making it all sound like a band AND kicking their lazy asses into the studio for a start. He may or may not have always been successful in his artistic visions at all times, but the results we listen to come from HIS hard work and his alone. Egomaniac or not, he made FM happen, from Tusk on.

And that makes firing him such a betrayal, the band absolutely relied on his talents, his commitment and his devotion for decades. And suddenly he is just another former guitar player, because changing guitar players is the legacy of the band. Pass me the vomit bucket, please.

I agree with every single word.

Hands down, this is the biggest f*ckup this band has EVER made(and that's saying something).

Mick thinks the sun rises and sets in Stevie's ass... but Mick's a blooming f*cking IDIOT!

I agree with you on this and my point was just that I never cared for him as a songwriter, and he did brilliant work in the studio 100%. I just always have ignored his songs on FM albums in favour of the great stuff he did for the girls' compositions.

Skippables? No and No Any friends i know that are into FM think LB is the bomb.

i love how all these "hate" threads started as anti-LB proclamations end up turning into a lovefest towards Lindsey for everything he's done for the band and the fans - whether on stage, in studio, and like in this thread's case private encounters with fans.

Mitzo isn't the only one in the world that doesn't especially like Lindsey's songs. When last year I made my bestfriend listen to Buckingham McVie she liked only Christine's songs (except for Feel About You that she hated) and said that Lindsey's songs "didn't tell her anything" while for me surprisingly it was the opposite.

Wow for me that's really the opposite. I almost always like Christine's songs mostly just because they're catchy and easy on the ears, but I rarely associate her songs with much "feeling", the way I do for Lindsey and Stevie. I guess that's just a telling of how different peoples tastes/interpretations of music are. I think Stevie's classic songs are some of the best lyrics ever, but just as many people probably think they're trite. And I think Lindsey's songs are mostly really clever and intense but to many others they're just crazy or confusing.

Feel About You is such a cheese fest, that I was embarrassed to let anybody witness me listening to it. I mean, I love it, but it's cheesy AF.

This started as a hate thread? Elle, get help. Please.

I prefer Christine when she's closer to her blues roots, in fact I like less her output from Mirage onward for the same reason, I guess I didn't expect her collaboration with Lindsey to be so poppy.
However I think I have to add that my friend likes classic hard rock like Alice Cooper and Black Sabbath (she used to listen to Marilyn Manson too but thank God time -with a little bit of my help- fixed that).

I just listened it on my headphones when I still had them so I wouldn't have that problem anyway, but I sometimes still sing it, in any case since noone here apart from me really knows English I'm safe.

I always see Christine as "I write songs."

I see Lindsey and Stevie as [/INTENSE STARING] "I write poems and melodies with structure and depth. The amount of time I spend doing this is more than most people spend on a 9-5 job because my brain is constantly thinking of words, melodies and guitar parts." :laugh:

I think I mentioned in a post recently that Stevie's words may be pretty and poetic at times, but I connect with Lindsey's moreso because of his simplicity. They have ALL written crap, but overall, their music is amazing and I love it. Danny Kirwan is included in this too, as I love his stuff. He was pretty flowery at times too. I always say Steve and Lindsey are a great mix of Danny. :)

This is why debating who is the BEST writer, singer, etc. in the band is stupid. LOL We ALL love someone different for various reasons. Some of us love When I See You Again...some hate it. Meh. There's enough output for all of us to get some goodies.

All that said...I am PEEVED to high heaven right now with this situation. :mad:

Totally agree with this. In general I tend to get more drawn in by Stevie's poetic lyrics especially during her prime (1975-Bella Donna imo), but I think Lindsey's lyrics are underrated. Maybe because he himself has always said he's not much of a writer, but I think he's always been very good at having super simple lyrics that portray something in a very subtle, clever way. Like Tusk the song. How I see it is that it's all about an affair, but from the perspective of a third party warning the man's wife/girlfriend about it. It's just very smartly done if you ask me. And like Never Going Back Again, 'you don't know what it means to win', so simple and effective.

The thread’s title isn’t exactly a love fest. What’s the point of starting a thread just to say you never liked Lindsey’s songs. I never liked many of Stevie’s songs and I don’t need to start a thread for everybody to know that.

Besides,you’re saying you liked his work on Stevie and Christine’s songs but you say you “hardly knew him”?

lol yeah the thread title is basically saying - couldn't wait to get rid of ya!

#lovefest

I'm really going to miss LB. Glad we get solo stuff.. but really wanted an album with the fireflies..

Still in shock he's gone. :(

Definitely in shock...I just can't believe that this happened, and that it happened right at the end of their careers. I know this band has its issues-- EVERY band has their issues, but for it to end up like this :distress:

The biggest complaint I have of Lindsey is his constant psychobabble as banter. Like, dude, just STFU and play. We don’t need a recap of what you discussed with your therapist. Did every tour have to be about healing or coming to terms with something? Just grab your crotch, tell the world The Eagles can suck it, and bang out IKINW. THAT’S how you do rock!

I concur. Lindsey treats every stage show and every interview as an opportunity to express his innermost New Age spirituality and holism. Sometimes I think the eye-rolling emoticon was especially invented as a crowd response to a Lindsey Buckingham concert speech.

Some of you guys are talking about how compelling the two new guys might be in Fleetwood Mac. Mike Campbell is ace as the Heartbreakers guitarist, of course, but I can't talk about the other guy. However, I think Fleetwood Mac (or what's left of it) is going to blunt the appeal that these guys have historically. It happened in 1987 on tour. Vito and Burnette didn't sing lead on any new song from Tango (they could have easily done Big Love). I know they sang several Green songs (Oh Well, Rattlesnake Shake, I Loved Another Woman), and those were some of the high points. But in general, those two felt very underused on that tour. It was like half the band was the real deal, and half the band was the pickup band.

Mick Fleetwood and Stevie are just as likely this year to underuse the new guys. You might go to the concert hoping for full-scale work from both of them, and come away disappointed at the band's inability or unwillingness to incorporate them fully into the stage show. You guys who love Neil Finn's past work are not going to hear it at the Fleetwood Mac concert. Don't kid yourselves. I can't imagine Mick deciding that old Crowded House songs should now be potentially incorporated into FM's storied sets. The new guys will unfortunately be treated on this tour like pickups.

I'd bet on more than one Stevie solo song, too.

After all, it is her band now.

To be honest, part of me is convinced that half of that stuff was actually things he did talk about with his therapist which is why he always felt the need to repeat it :laugh:

the funny thing is, way back when Lindsey started doing his long monologues before songs, Stevie was mortified by it.... she thought minimal talking was how you do shows, and every time he'd launch into one of his intros she would stand over by Chris and sorta cringe, and her face was always "is he done now? now? uh, now??" Now for the last however many years she's up there doing endless ramblings.....even before the Ramblin' Stevie solo tour. Maybe it's another sign of their ongoing competitiveness, you know, "If he can talk, I can talk longer!" :laugh:

Its absolutely pathetic what has occurred. I can't get too worked up over these rich spoiled divas, but its ridiclious that they would end the final quarter of their careers this way.

As much as I love Stevie, I'm super annoyed with her for ruining the opportunity for a final Rumours five album. I was beyond thrilled when Christine came back and I wanted to hear that album more than I wanted to see the tour.

After years of whining that she needed Christine back to do a new album, she gives a BS excuse that there is no point to recording new music because records no longer sell. Now Neil Finn says the band has been talking about recording new music, which will sell even less without Lindsey. It was always obvious that Lindsey was her real issue, but its still disappointing that such amazing opportunity to create new/final album was squandered. I'm happy Buckingham McVie was at least made.

Agreed. I became a fan of FM because of Stevie, but I love Lindsey and Christine just as much. I can actually find something to like in every variation of FM (even BTM and Time eras), but Lindsey was the creative force in this band and the energy of the live shows. When I took my mom to see FM on the last tour, she came along wanting to see Stevie and left being completely mesmerized by Lindsey. He will be severely missed.

I actually don't believe the remaining 4 realize just how much he will be missed. Mick touting a "new band" or saying FM has always been about various incarnations of themselves is just total BS to try to deflect the reality of the situation to fans. He's completely delusional

I've heard that from quite a few casual fans, who saw them for the first time. They went because of Stevie, but left, saying that Lindsey was the show, with all his energy.

Yet another reason Old Goat Breath wanted him gone.

with the original classic 4 all over 70, calling it a new band is funny and pathetic and hilarious all at the same time. :]:nod: