Who Has Given Up ??
 

Never say never, but for now

and until a lot of things change

I've given up and will spend no more $$ on Fleetwood Mac , its current line-up ,or anything to do with members of the original 'Rumors Five'

Who else ??

Not one red cent.

i will buy or be there for anything Lindsey does going foward - whether it's a new album he has in the waiting, whether he's capable of just playing guitar or full on touring with singing too, or other projects he may be working on.

the rest of the band? i don't plan to ever see anything with Mick in it again. or Stevie. right now i feel the same about Christine and John, but if there is BuckVie 2 i would change my mind about Christine in a second.

Done. Can't even entertain giving up my hard earned money, or time to entertain it.
Lindsey solo or collaborating with anyone other than Mick, Stevie, Chris or John, I would be there. I don't think I can get behind Buckvie 2--after this latest article, I actually find Mick and Christine more disgusting than Stevie.

I still love this band and always will. I did not see this line up in concert on this tour but I would have considered it if they were promoting a new album. I would buy a new album by this lineup for sure. I will continue to support Lindsey’s solo work and pray that he recovers from his surgery. It sucks what went down but this band is the soundtrack of my life and “ I Can’t Go Back”. 😎

they're all covered in sh&t as far as I'm concerned.

Maybe for a lot of people, me included, Chris was the biggest surprise.

I couldn't give Chris the pass so many people were wiling to give. When the lawsuit came out and Lindsey said something about her being "sensitive" I considered, but then no. I am not sure what he meant with that comment, but she went along with the lie. Compromised her integrity and trashed LB in the process. He freakin should have sued for more !

Well, of course I will support Lindsey, and only Lindsey. But I can't support him if he chooses to join this people again. Sorry. Same if he does BuckVie2.

The rest are dead to me.

I wouldn't bother with spending another dime on anything FM related, in particular with any live shows. Aside from what went down with Lindsey, I have no desire to see the same tired set now being sung and played by fill-ins. If I want to hear Mike Campbell, I want to hear him playing Running Down a Dream, not Go Your Own Way. I like Don't Dream It's Over, but I have no desire to pay Fleetwood Mac prices to hear Neil sing it accompanied by Stevie Nicks.

If Lindsey went back ever, I would continue to abstain. The bloom is off the rose. This last year has ended my continued love of what this band does. I will always appreciate the past and remain distantly curious about what their current events look like (so no, I'm not going away or getting over it), but I am done spending money on this group. Glad I got to see the Rumours 5 in 2014 - that will suffice for me.

I will always support Lindsey in whatever endeavours he takes on.

I can't stand the other 4 and will never support anything they do. My band is dead, and they are all responsible. I am soooo disappointed with Chris.

And I'm still very angry at the 4 of them, so much so that I haven't listened to any of my FM music in a year. Even when I hear them on the radio, I turn the channel. It makes my stomach drop and my heart ache. I'm done with them, but no....I'm not over it. And probably never will be.

I'll always support Lindsey but none of the others. I'm done with them. They're horrible people who don't care for anything but fame and money.

The BAND OF MY LIFE is DEAD to me, now. They honor NOTHING. F**k them.
Stevie Nicks is a ******* ****.

If Lindsey is able to record, tour, or even produce, I'll buy anything he puts out.

What a f**king HIDEOUS END to the band of my life.

Very dead to me, cannot even stand to hear their voices.


Will continue to support Lindsey in all his work, though! Cream always rises to the top :thumbsup:

I dreamt it...and it's over.
Not interested anymore.
A major part of my life was a sham.
So sad.

Of course its over...been that way for over a year now. I don't even look at the constant threads about Mick or other band member's statements. "OMG, Mick pooped and he did not mention Lindsey" "OMG, the band did not mention Lindsey." "OMG the band did mention Lindsey but it was too short" Really? I don't care about any of that because I don't care about any of them anymore. By constantly replaying that stuff over and over it shows you have not given up IMHO.
Funny how Chris finally says she had no issues with Lindsey but went forward for the good of the band. Her loyalty to the band is what killed the band. Sounds nice but at what cost. I suppose its all about money especially at their stage of their lives. They are in their 70s and know they cant do this much longer. When 10 million is at stake, legacy is not a concern anymore. I love how Chris says the Mac is a democracy but then says the decision was needed for the band to survive. You cant have it both ways by alleging you may have voted against it but then agree and justify it at the same time.
Enjoy your bloody 10 million darling.

For me, they already had one foot in the grave.
When they decided to do yet another tour instead of an new Album.

Losing Lindsey was like the last nail in the coffin.
I wouldn’t pay to see them with the current lineup.
Even if Lindsey ever returned to the fold, probably wouldn’t pay to see them either, as they would ALL smack of hypocrisy.

What a way to end such a long career together.....

As long time Fleetwood Mac/Stevie Nicks fans this is just a punch in the gut. The whole damn situation.

Reading some of the quotes from the Mojo article just sickens me. These people are just heartless. And to think all the money and time we have spent on them. They show they really don't care about each other at all.

I remember watching Oprah on HBO after the Leaving Neverland documentary and she quoted an article written by Maureen Orr (I think) where she talked about idolizing someone was like staring into the sun and we shouldn't do that.

I feel like I have been staring into the sun/Stevie since 1975 and I was so blinded by her. Now as I've gotten older and wiser I finally see. But it's almost like an addiction. I've spent over 40 years idolizing and collecting on this band. It was crazy. I'm thinking of getting rid of all of it. I would definitely have more room. LOL

I detest the Four and wish them many things, none of them good.

But it's hilarious how ubiquitous the music is. You can't even fume in peace without a FM song coming on. Whether it's a restaurant, beauty salon, doctor's office or bank, if there's music playing, I will hear an FM song within 15 minutes. They've followed me down 'til the sound of their voices haunt me.

I’ll be there for anything they do going forward. Loved the current tour when I went to see them in Atlantic City. Excited to see them play again in Philly - and to hopefully get a glimpse of the rest of the group when we’re all there at Stevie’s hall of fame induction next week.

This is my band that I’ve loved all my life. My mom sang Landslide to me & all my siblings when she’d rock us to sleep as babies. My youngest sister is even named Rhiannon. My first tattoo was a crescent moon. I made most of my close friends through FM shows.

It would take a lot more than kicking out one member to get me to stop loving this group. I’m not sure what they’d have to do to lose my love but it’d have to be really bad - like ”secretly nazis” or “killing puppies” kind of bad.

And seeing as the vast majority of people I know are still loving them & still going to shows, it kind of seems like I’m in the majority :sorry:

I've given up trying to explain my feeling to friends, family and coworkers. My sig other is about the only person on earth besides people here that even remotely understand. Layers and layers of emotion. There's no succinct way to explain it. How can people relate when they haven't followed the band and the solo projects for decades. I fear everything that's gone on with the firing, lying, LB health issue etc, etc has permanently altered my relationship with the music. This is the first time in my life I've wished I could be one of those casual fans who hear a song, sing along and breeze on to the next song.

I read here regularly. There are so many times I want to comment but I don't have the energy.....it's like my brain is working but I can't will my body to do the work. I don't know. Maybe I'll feel differently in a few years but I doubt it. Someone will die or release a new album or tour or whatever and it will start up again for me. Sounds like crazy talk at their age (albums/tours) but anything can happen as we've seen.

What the hell do I do with all the stuff I've accumulated over the years?? I can't even contemplate it so I do nothing. I always took pride in MY band being one of the very few classic bands that still has its original lineup (original as in Rumours 5 is what most people think of as original)--that's blown to bits now.

I can't even discuss Stevie--she was always my favorite member but.........The worst part is I'm not a sycophant. No matter how much I love someones music I can still be objective about the people playing the music. I know they're flawed people as we all are. I've always accepted the drama as part of FM. I've never propped any of them up as perfect people cause they're not and I never expected them to be.
From the very beginning I never wanted to be team Stevie or team Lindsey. I want to be team FM.

Just sharing my feelings here. I'm sure some can relate while others may disagree--that's okay. Each fan has such an individual relationship to the band and the music. That's another thing that upsets me. The uniqueness of that has been damaged.
Sorry for the gloom and thanks for letting me post my inner Eeyore.

Definitely me.

I wouldn’t say I’ve “given up”. Fleetwood Mac’s music and Stevie’s solo output will always hold a place in my heart. Their history, their past creativity can never be ignored. So I will continue to play and enjoy their music.

Can’t say I’m interested in what they’re doing these days. I wouldn’t mind seeing the show, but I’m not paying the astronomical prices they’re asking

I'm not spending money on another Mac concert. I'll continue to support Lindsey. I would consider buying new songs from the band--as if THAT would ever happen. But even then, the new material would have to be sung by Christine. Otherwise, I'm out.

Still waiting on another solo record from Christine, or another BuckVie (and I do believe another one is still likely).

AMEN sistah.......:angel:

Agreed. Pretty perfectly stated.


You have wrung a gift from screws.

Stevie, as always, is a prophet.

Done.

Lindsey all the way -- and I know he's making a slowly but surely recovery.
Looking forward to his new album and whatever plans he may have down the road when he's feeling up to it.
As for the rest, it's over. And Lindsey isn't going back. Ever.

From what information we currently have, Stevie's a complete diva who can't seem to compromise and just get along with Lindsey and used her importance to the bands success as leverage to evict him. Mick is greedy and just follows the money and the McVie's are towing the company line as usual. They did Lindsey dirty on that one.

So I'd be riding the hate train that most of the remaining members of this forum are cruising on except for two things:

1. I don't know any of them, so I'm not very invested in their interpersonal struggles except how it's reflected in the music. I was never under the impression that their relationships went further than co-workers with patchy histories, that their stage act was anything more than an act, or that any of them were especially altruistic people. Therefore I don't feel especially betrayed by any of their behavior. This is why I'm not filled with seething rage like others, and I wouldn't be if Stevie or Christine were ousted in the same way.

2. This is gonna sound bad, but its just my opinion. I'm really not that big a fan of Lindsey's in the first place. That being said, He's an amazing guitar player (I love listening to tracks he guests on and recognizing his distinctive playing style), I acknowledge that his production is the entire reason Rumours, Tusk, Mirage, and Tango were as succesful as they were, that Stevie's demos in the 70s were perfectly realized by him, etc. I also love everything he did prior to 1979 (Frozen Love, Without a Leg to Stand On, Crystal, Monday Morning, I'm So Afraid Live, GYOW, etc).

The problem is that he starts to lose me on a lot of "Tusk" outside of the title song. I'm trying to get into it but it's difficult. His vocals past this point don't do a whole lot for me either. He sounds fine when he's singing loud and confidently (Big Love, WTWCT, Peacekeeper, Doing What I Can, On With the Show) but I can't stand those whispery vocals he uses so often (they RUIN "game of pretend" for me). It sounds like a completely different artist than the one from Rumours and I just can't adapt to it like I can with Stevie and Christine. Can't stand much from his first two solo albums either besides the lead singles. Out of the Cradle is much more listenable. I also think he kind of went off the deep end with his production technique since Tango. I think a lot of Say You Will or Buckingham McVie would have been better if they were produced by someone else. The songs sound really hollow, cold and synthesized. You listen to the TISGL version of Thrown Down, and while the guitar playing is not as good/distinct and the vocals are worse, I prefer the warmer production style of the 2001 version of the song. It's not all bad, there's great songs on those albums, but still.

This is the main reason why I'm not as bummed about his firing as I would have been if Stevie or Christine had been. Call me a filthy casual fan or whatever, but I'd rather hear Second Hand News, Go Your Own Way, and Monday Morning in concert than the acoustic Big Love, I Know I'm Not Wrong, or Not That Funny. I am quite sad that I'll never get to see his amazing guitar playing though.

Summary: Lindsey's firing has little to no impact on me at all, so I haven't given up on listening to their music and have not considered doing so.

I like the way you explained, very clearly, your stand. And although I don’t feel the same way, I respect your position. ESP because it discusses facts and doesn’t touch on heresay, unsubstantiated rumours or ridiculous innuendos.

So I won’t try to tell you that you’re wrong or crazy for feeling this way.

What makes me really mad is when someone tells me to “get over it already, it’s been a year, what is wrong with you, you must not have anything or substance in your life.” Why can’t people just respect that I WON’T get over this. We can all respect each other’s points of view without minimalizing or belittling. This band obviously filled a different spot in my life/heart than in others and that’s ok. Just don’t tell me to get over it. THAT’S annoying and condescending. Like your stance is more important or the right one.

It’s just different.

great post. :thumbsup: clean facts and explanations, respecting others' opinions, and making a complete sense - we all don't like the same music or the same things, and that's what makes the world go around!

i can tell you that if Stevie were fired i would probably write a very similar post to what you wrote here (well, probably a little less respectful! :laugh: then again if that firing caused her to have a heart attack and never be able to sing again, it would be a very different story.:distress:) but yes, if she were fired i would be more than delighted not having to suffer through droning versions of Rhiannon, Sara, or Dreams anymore, or deal with chiffon-clad fans being enamored by the slow twirls. Buckingham McVie tour was fabulous, and having a few more FM songs added to their set plus Mick and John would be a-ok by me! :nod:

exactly. such nicely explained position.

Gave up...
 

on 'em 10 years ago. :D

The only one I'm interested now is Lindsey. FM present day doesn't exist to me. I'll always cherish the music made before Lindsey's unfair dismissal. But the rest of them can go take a flying leap. DONE!

Its so disappointing to me because I always related to Stevie. When I was in grade school and being made fun of for being a fantasy geek who always wore flowy dresses and didn't have a boyfriend, it felt like Stevie was a sort of kindred spirit. I'd look at her and think that maybe I wasn't crazy for liking the things I liked because here's a famous woman who likes those same things. I feel like I've been lied to. I'm back to being that lonely fantasy geek.

i went to the US a few weeks ago and it WASNT for a FM concert.
It was a real turning point. :thumbsup:

well, she WAS those things at one time. It's just that fame and fortune went to her head, reinforced by a circle of enablers. She became more and more isolated and disconnected from any real contact with daily life as most people know it. So for me I still like the stuff she did then, because it wasn't fully tainted. If that helps you feel better about it all.... :wavey:

I gave up on them in 2006 after a Lindsey solo show when he said something like “I wrote this song after I realized a dream I had wouldn’t come true, and I had to mourn the loss of that dream.” I vowed the ONLY I’d see them again is if Christine came back…

The Stevie/Lindsey relationship crap during that time was nauseating.

Christine coming back restored my interest in them. The more of Mick, John, and Christine I can get at this point, the better. And, I love that she had a few extended solos this tour.

Why did Lindsey saying that in a solo show make you give up? What did you think he meant by that? I don’t think that Lindsey would perpetuate a false, star-crossed Stevie and Lindsey drama at a solo concert.

I agree 100%. He rarely, if ever, talks about Stevie at this solo shows.

It could have been a referral to any previous girlfriends that he had, or any situation in his life, for that matter.

Exactly:rolleyes:..

I always thought (or hoped) he meant he had given up on recording another album as/with Fleetwood Mac, actually collaborating with Stevie for once, after all these years.. Ya know, a real full circle, organic thing;) That he had finally laid that hope to rest.. then Chris coming back rekindled that dream for him.

It sounds like Cast Away Dreams intro. I always understood that as finally giving up on being a commercial solo artist - something he pursued at the OOTC time and why he was sitting on OOTC for so long making it come out at exactly the wrong time to be commercial. If you watch his documentary that comes with Bass Hall it is pretty clear he was stuck on whether or not to still try something commercial solo, or just release stuff without worrying too much.

If you think this was about some kind of shipperdom thing, that’s your own problem.

IMO, although many say that the recent happenings are about Stevie still being stuck on LB romantically while he moved on long time ago and she finally realized that, I always maintain that while those 2 have weird symbiotic relationship it’s not nearly as much about the couple thing as people romanticize and as they’d like you to think, but about competition about their careers. They both know neither one would be as successful as they are without the other and they probably both hate it. Just look at the ridiculous fan discussions of its all one or its all the other ongoing all over social media.

Like I think last night I saw someone posted here “it wouldn’t be FM without Stevie” - well, guess what, I bet that person goes ballistic when someone says “ it’s not FM without Lindsey”. :laugh:

It was all I could do to not post that response! :p

A couple of her people just wear me out, where it's not even satisfying to post a smart assed response to their idiocy.