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aleuzzi 06-28-2019 12:12 PM

“Why I’m Done with Fleetwood Mac”
 
Spectator article by a Michael Hann

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/06/...fleetwood-mac/

from the article:

The Mac have long had hipster allure (search SoundCloud for Fleetmac Wood, who make disco and dance edits and mixes of old Mac tracks), but the people at Wembley weren’t hipsters: they were simply in love with one of the great catalogues of modern pop, specifically that created by the Lindsey Buckingham-Stevie Nicks iteration of the group.

One problem, though. Fleetwood Mac sacked Buckingham last year, and without him and the peculiar rage he brought to their show they were no more than a very high-class karaoke act. For several years I had wondered why their gigs were built around the psychodrama between Buckingham and Nicks, with them pretending to be starcrossed lovers, decades after their romantic relationship ended, and with every-one present knowing they despised each other. In his absence, the answer became clear: it provided a narrative structure that held everything together, a sense of tension that made a nostalgia show something that felt alive.

No show with songs as good as ‘Go Your Own Way’ or ‘Landslide’ or ‘Dreams’ is going to be bad. But Fleetwood Mac certainly had a good go at it: the sound was awful, even by the standards of huge shows, and the production — a crucial element in stadiums — redefined the word ‘perfunctory’. A couple of hundred quid to squint at underlit figures, with most of the music just a morass of sludge? They should have been ashamed.

One of the loveliest songs on Rumours was Buckingham’s acoustic number ‘Never Going Back Again’. It came to mind as I left Wembley. Alas, even with a band I love, I’m never going back again.

aleuzzi 06-28-2019 12:22 PM

I mistyped “Done” as “Dine” in the thread title. Can a moderator help me edit it? I don’t know how.

michelej1 06-28-2019 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1253337)
I mistyped “Done” as “Dine” in the thread title. Can a moderator help me edit it? I don’t know how.

Ok, although this guy probably wouldn't dine with Fleetwood Mac either.

aleuzzi 06-28-2019 01:40 PM

Gracias! And I agree.

HomerMcvie 06-28-2019 10:25 PM

I agree completely, too. The band of my life is dead to me. I'll always listen to their past, but never see a show again, or buy any "viable product"(bonus points for naming that reference).

Old Goat Breath killed FM.

aleuzzi 06-29-2019 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1253343)
I agree completely, too. The band of my life is dead to me. I'll always listen to their past, but never see a show again, or buy any "viable product"(bonus points for naming that reference).

Old Goat Breath killed FM.

Christine Tusk Tour doc. Drunk as a skunk on her boat.

HomerMcvie 06-29-2019 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1253350)
Christine Tusk Tour doc. Drunk as a skunk on her boat.

Indeed. I think that's one of the reasons I loved her so. Never photographed without a cocktail in hand.:wavey:

jbrownsjr 06-29-2019 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1253351)
Indeed. I think that's one of the reasons I loved her so. Never photographed without a cocktail in hand.:wavey:

Haha!! I love both of you!!

HomerMcvie 06-29-2019 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1253352)
Haha!! I love both of you!!

She and I happen to share the same affliction.:blob2::blob2::wavey:

aleuzzi 06-29-2019 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1253354)
She and I happen to share the same affliction.:blob2::blob2::wavey:

And I just dig her speaking and singing voice, drunk or sober.

BombaySapphire3 06-29-2019 08:59 PM

I have been a fan sine the 1970s. The thing that now exists as a money mill oldies jukebox unit is no longer Fleetwood Mac to me. Stevie is a real life Medea to ruin Fleetwood Mac's chance to make one more album with their classic lineup . I am hearing rumblings that one of the only other international mega bands of the 1970s with all living members may make one more album. If ABBA should do this it will help wash away the bitter disappointment of the needless implosion of the other big band of my teenage years.

jwd 06-29-2019 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1253355)
And I just dig her speaking and singing voice, drunk or sober.

Hope you enjoy her forked tongue as well, drunk or sober.

HomerMcvie 06-29-2019 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwd (Post 1253361)
Hope you enjoy her forked tongue as well, drunk or sober.

That was kind of her charm. Cool, pretty, yet strong AF. You didn't f*ck with Christine McVie!

Back then anyway. She's an old company shill, now. :(

jwd 06-29-2019 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1253362)
That was kind of her charm. Cool, pretty, yet strong AF. You didn't f*ck with Christine McVie!

Back then anyway. She's an old company shill, now. :(

Well, the whole Bob Welch thing with the RRHOF is so much more believable to me now that this thing with Lindsey has happened. We should have listened to Wendy when she was so vocal on these boards a few years ago. I thought she was a little nuts then. Not so much now.

HomerMcvie 06-30-2019 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jwd (Post 1253363)
Well, the whole Bob Welch thing with the RRHOF is so much more believable to me now that this thing with Lindsey has happened. We should have listened to Wendy when she was so vocal on these boards a few years ago. I thought she was a little nuts then. Not so much now.

I agree. Wendy telling us the whole Bob story about Christine, was the beginning of the end, of me being her #1 fan. I began to see her darker side.

BuckVie was one of my favorite experiences,ever. So all their "love" was WHAT? Just some fake assed show??? Christine SUCKS in the loyalty department(sorry, John). She does!

And I do think that Wendy was a little nuts, but Bob was her world, and she defended him until her death. I admire that quality. True love!

jwd 06-30-2019 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1253367)
I agree. Wendy telling us the whole Bob story about Christine, was the beginning of the end, of me being her #1 fan. I began to see her darker side.

BuckVie was one of my favorite experiences,ever. So all their "love" was WHAT? Just some fake assed show??? Christine SUCKS in the loyalty department(sorry, John). She does!

And I do think that Wendy was a little nuts,but Bob was her world, and she defended him until her death. I admire that quality. True love!


I agree. I wish I had gotten to know her a little better and be more open minded to what she was saying. Sometimes we let these demi-gods cloud our minds.

HomerMcvie 06-30-2019 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jwd (Post 1253368)
I agree. I wish I had gotten to know her a little better and be more open minded to what she was saying. Sometimes we let these demi-gods cloud our minds.

Right? FM members "WERE" the superstars of my life. Lindsey is pretty much the only one I'd give AF to meet, now. Maybe Christine, but she's becoming a doddering old lady now, so I'm not sure I'd want to(plus, holding my tongue about her treatment of Lindsey). Mick's a f*cking idiot. Stevie a complete narcissist. I've never understood a single word John has spoken...:lol:

It's weird how 80% of your heroes become greedy old assh*les!

RIP, FM.

BLY 06-30-2019 09:14 AM

As much as I don’t like how the last chapter of the “Soundtrack of my life” band comes to an end I still don’t get all the nastiness and mean spirited posts. Yes we all have our opinions and perspectives etc. This band is a business. Some decisions have to be made and sometimes it doesn’t always keep in mind how it effects the individuals. I don’t like what the new MAC stands for today (no new music and only “hits”) but whatever! Just listen to the music that has been recorded and Sing,Dance and Rock! Life is too short. Enjoy what we have.😎

button-lip 06-30-2019 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BLY (Post 1253370)
As much as I don’t like how the last chapter of the “Soundtrack of my life” band comes to an end I still don’t get all the nastiness and mean spirited posts. Yes we all have our opinions and perspectives etc. This band is a business. Some decisions have to be made and sometimes it doesn’t always keep in mind how it effects the individuals. I don’t like what the new MAC stands for today (no new music and only “hits”) but whatever! Just listen to the music that has been recorded and Sing,Dance and Rock! Life is too short. Enjoy what we have.😎

Just keep in mind that all the nastiness you’re talking about was started by Mick and Stevie, when they lied about Lindsey’s reasons to “leave” the band. You can’t get nastier than that. We’re just fans, they were supposed to be his family.

I won’t EVER get over what they did to him. If someone doesn’t like my posts and how I pour all my anger/sadness/frustration in them, they can always skip them.

lennonfan 06-30-2019 04:47 PM

it's been over a year and I still can't listen to them.
Every time I start to I think about what they did to him...then I have to turn it off. Even the Danny Kirwan stuff bothers me now, how they tossed him and Bob. I heard a new interview w/Mick, first I've heard from any of them in forever....and he sounded like a shill. What Lindsey said in the beginning about legacy was so true...and at the time I didn't really think about it.
If bands were colors the Beatles would be white, the Rolling Stones would be black.
Now, if you were to ask me what 'color' is Fleetwood Mac, I'd say crap stain brown.

ViscountViktor 06-30-2019 04:52 PM

The article is right.

I love Fleetwood Mac. But they really need to stop now.

They've done the extra tour, Mick's got his money.

But the diabolical sound at Wembley just summed them up. A band with no purpose just raking in the money from their fans.

For the sake of their legacy, they need to call it a day.

Christine is nearly 76. Her voice is shot. She can't go on.

Lindsey leaving should've been the end.

BLY 06-30-2019 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViscountViktor (Post 1253374)
The article is right.

I love Fleetwood Mac. But they really need to stop now.

They've done the extra tour, Mick's got his money.

But the diabolical sound at Wembley just summed them up. A band with no purpose just raking in the money from their fans.

For the sake of their legacy, they need to call it a day.

Christine is nearly 76. Her voice is shot. She can't go on.

Lindsey leaving should've been the end.



Yep! I agree...the curtain has closed.

aleuzzi 06-30-2019 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1253367)
I agree. Wendy telling us the whole Bob story about Christine, was the beginning of the end, of me being her #1 fan. I began to see her darker side.

BuckVie was one of my favorite experiences,ever. So all their "love" was WHAT? Just some fake assed show??? Christine SUCKS in the loyalty department(sorry, John). She does!

And I do think that Wendy was a little nuts, but Bob was her world, and she defended him until her death. I admire that quality. True love!

The disavowal of Bob Welch was awful. Wendy was unhinged toward the end, but she was grieving hard.

None of that affected my love for Christine, since the pull for me has always been the music. Bob’s decision to sue his former band mates was bound to have serious consequences—no matter how technically correct he may have been in doing so.

But Christine’s participation in this tour is beyond disappointing—as is John’s. I expected this from Mick.

What really saddens me most is that she could have spent the year working on more new music with or without her creative pal—instead of falling in with the Stevie Nicks and Players Heritage Company.

Still, I love her voice. Her songs. It would take more then band politics for me to change my mind and heart about that.

michelej1 06-30-2019 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1253369)
Right? FM members "WERE" the superstars of my life. Lindsey is pretty much the only one I'd give AF to meet, now. Maybe Christine, but she's becoming a doddering old lady now, so I'm not sure I'd want to(plus, holding my tongue about her treatment of Lindsey). Mick's a f*cking idiot. Stevie a complete narcissist. I've never understood a single word John has spoken...:lol:



I miss the days when John used to talk. He had a wonderful wry sense of humor and I’m sorry we haven’t seen any glimpses of his personality in years now.

BombaySapphire3 07-01-2019 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 1253379)
I miss the days when John used to talk. He had a wonderful wry sense of humor and I’m sorry we haven’t seen any glimpses of his personality in years now.

Wet brain....

HomerMcvie 07-01-2019 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by button-lip (Post 1253371)
Just keep in mind that all the nastiness you’re talking about was started by Mick and Stevie, when they lied about Lindsey’s reasons to “leave” the band. You can’t get nastier than that. We’re just fans, they were supposed to be his family.

I won’t EVER get over what they did to him. If someone doesn’t like my posts and how I pour all my anger/sadness/frustration in them, they can always skip them.

I love you! :xoxo:

And we're HERE to give our opinions. Not suck up like we're on some idiotic Stevie board. Say WTF you think!

Old Goat Breath and Dick RUINED the end of the band that was the soundtrack to MANY of our lives. I hope they're happy. And both rot....

jbrownsjr 07-01-2019 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by button-lip (Post 1253371)
Just keep in mind that all the nastiness you’re talking about was started by Mick and Stevie, when they lied about Lindsey’s reasons to “leave” the band. You can’t get nastier than that. We’re just fans, they were supposed to be his family.

I won’t EVER get over what they did to him. If someone doesn’t like my posts and how I pour all my anger/sadness/frustration in them, they can always skip them.

Not to mention, crushing someone with a firing and ghosting. That's nastier than anything I've ever seen them do.

jbrownsjr 07-01-2019 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 1253379)
I miss the days when John used to talk. He had a wonderful wry sense of humor and I’m sorry we haven’t seen any glimpses of his personality in years now.

I'm convinced he doesn't care who is up there. My favorite moment is when John says "Thank you!!!" at the end of Hypmotized on the 1975 tour. He sounds absolutely smashed.

Steviegirl 07-01-2019 08:54 AM

This is all so true. It feels very weird that I cannot, in good conscience, support the band. This is the first tour I've missed since the 1980s. The thing that is so hard to comprehend is the sold-out crowds. Who are these people? I can't support the band because of their unconscionable treatment of Lindsey, but I also think it's really creepy and weird that they're dragging Neil Finn and Mike Campbell around. I missed Lindsey when Rick and Billy were in the band, but I didn't feel utter disdain and embarrassment for them. I even went to see them on tour back then, and I own the TITN video. But THIS incarnation just feels like a crotchety, past-their-prime gaggle of old codgers/hucksters who need to pack it in. I wouldn't feel this way if Lindsey were with them because it'd be our old band touring. But this...they just seem like a bunch of corny hacks. It sounds stupid, I know, but I really miss loving them. They've been a huge part of my life. I'm grateful for the like-minded people here on The Ledge.

button-lip 07-01-2019 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1253383)
I love you! :xoxo:

And we're HERE to give our opinions. Not suck up like we're on some idiotic Stevie board. Say WTF you think!

Old Goat Breath and Dick RUINED the end of the band that was the soundtrack to MANY of our lives. I hope they're happy. And both rot....

I’m sure they don’t care at all. As long as they make $$$$, Lindsey can die tomorrow and none of them will stop touring.

But they “love the guy”. Yeah, right Christine, I’m sure you do.

button-lip 07-01-2019 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steviegirl (Post 1253389)
This is all so true. It feels very weird that I cannot, in good conscience, support the band. This is the first tour I've missed since the 1980s. The thing that is so hard to comprehend is the sold-out crowds. Who are these people? I can't support the band because of their unconscionable treatment of Lindsey, but I also think it's really creepy and weird that they're dragging Neil Finn and Mike Campbell around. I missed Lindsey when Rick and Billy were in the band, but I didn't feel utter disdain and embarrassment for them. I even went to see them on tour back then, and I own the TITN video. But THIS incarnation just feels like a crotchety, past-their-prime gaggle of old codgers/hucksters who need to pack it in. I wouldn't feel this way if Lindsey were with them because it'd be our old band touring. But this...they just seem like a bunch of corny hacks. It sounds stupid, I know, but I really miss loving them. They've been a huge part of my life. I'm grateful for the like-minded people here on The Ledge.

They’re not dragging Finn and Campbell. At this point they know the whole truth and like the rest of the band, they don’t care.

I’m also happy to have a place like The Ledge where I can speak my mind without being censored. :D

jbrownsjr 07-02-2019 11:54 AM

The thing is: These latest articles insinuate that FM would have been over if not for Neil saving them.

I really wish they would have considered just touring as the 4 piece. It would have been so much more amazing for the legacy if they had done that.

Stevie, go tour with the Pretenders so you can still draw and be famous with no soul.

And FM will continue as a solid 4 piece and do a final album and tour. Boom. We get smaller arenas and more acoustic treats. I'll never forget that BuckVie tour. It was out of this world to see them in that capacity.

Oh Well (as they say). They went for the fame, money, and lifestyle. That was predictable. But please don't misunderstand or confuse it with, "Neil saved FMac." He did nothing of the sort. In actual fact, he ruined it.

aleuzzi 07-02-2019 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1253404)
I really wish they would have considered just touring as the 4 piece. It would have been so much more amazing for the legacy if they had done that.

Stevie, go tour with the Pretenders so you can still draw and be famous with no soul.

And FM will continue as a solid 4 piece and do a final album and tour. Boom. We get smaller arenas and more acoustic treats. I'll never forget that BuckVie tour. It was out of this world to see them in that capacity.

Oh Well (as they say). They went for the fame, money, and lifestyle.

Amen, brother (sister). If they'd gone as a foursome they could have continued to create and be respected. They're already rich and do not need more money--well, except Mick.

sue 07-02-2019 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1253404)
The thing is: These latest articles insinuate that FM would have been over if not for Neil saving them.

I really wish they would have considered just touring as the 4 piece. It would have been so much more amazing for the legacy if they had done that.

Stevie, go tour with the Pretenders so you can still draw and be famous with no soul.

And FM will continue as a solid 4 piece and do a final album and tour. Boom. We get smaller arenas and more acoustic treats. I'll never forget that BuckVie tour. It was out of this world to see them in that capacity.

Oh Well (as they say). They went for the fame, money, and lifestyle. That was predictable. But please don't misunderstand or confuse it with, "Neil saved FMac." He did nothing of the sort. In actual fact, he ruined it.

I get what your saying and it’s a solution...
However I doubt we would see The Quartet in The UK..
Not that I’ve been this tour..(no way)
But for the band to have a decent and brave closure....that’s the way forward.

TrueFaith77 07-02-2019 02:17 PM

Well... the best thing about them going on without Lindsey instead of ending the band is that he was able to sue them and settle out of court.

button-lip 07-02-2019 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1253405)
Amen, brother (sister). If they'd gone as a foursome they could have continued to create and be respected. They're already rich and do not need more money--well, except Mick.

Well, apparently they all need the money, not only Mick, if they all went along with Stevie’s whim.

sue 07-02-2019 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by button-lip (Post 1253408)
Well, apparently they all need the money, not only Mick, if they all went along with Stevie’s whim.


do you mean they MUST need money because that’s the only reason to go along with Stevie’s Whim...
Ah yes I see what you mean..

Maybe they’re just greedy...all of them

jbrownsjr 07-02-2019 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sue (Post 1253409)
do you mean they MUST need money because that’s the only reason to go along with Stevie’s Whim...
Ah yes I see what you mean..

Maybe they’re just greedy...all of them

I think it was more out of: Well, whatever you people decide is fine by me.

And then of course, here's your check for $15,000,000.00.
Good thing because your main checking account is down to $4.503,093.03.
And living this lifestyle gets more and more expensive. (just putting it into perspective.).

Storms123 07-02-2019 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1253404)
The thing is: These latest articles insinuate that FM would have been over if not for Neil saving them.

I really wish they would have considered just touring as the 4 piece. It would have been so much more amazing for the legacy if they had done that.

Stevie, go tour with the Pretenders so you can still draw and be famous with no soul.

And FM will continue as a solid 4 piece and do a final album and tour. Boom. We get smaller arenas and more acoustic treats. I'll never forget that BuckVie tour. It was out of this world to see them in that capacity.

Oh Well (as they say). They went for the fame, money, and lifestyle. That was predictable. But please don't misunderstand or confuse it with, "Neil saved FMac." He did nothing of the sort. In actual fact, he ruined it.


Mick's tone, innuendo and actual statements lately make me think they (the 4 stooges) didn't actually think Lindsey's departure would resonate as much, as far, and as long as it has. So now, he's being snarky. He got caught in a big lie, this tour is not doing as well as a final tour with the Rumours 5 would have (I am assuming they are done after this) 5 dates in Europe and a 2 of 5 star review!! OUCH. Neil Finn saved FM? Please, he can't even carry the guitar parts on his own. The press around this tour really has been abysmal. Lindsey is the focus of huge chunks of these interviews (another reason they are probably getting snarky) It's not about the music anymore. Oh---and Stevie is doing ZERO press.

bombaysaffires 07-02-2019 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Storms123 (Post 1253411)
Mick's tone, innuendo and actual statements lately make me think they (the 4 stooges) didn't actually think Lindsey's departure would resonate as much, as far, and as long as it has. So now, he's being snarky. He got caught in a big lie, this tour is not doing as well as a final tour with the Rumours 5 would have (I am assuming they are done after this) 5 dates in Europe and a 2 of 5 star review!! OUCH. Neil Finn saved FM? Please, he can't even carry the guitar parts on his own. The press around this tour really has been abysmal. Lindsey is the focus of huge chunks of these interviews (another reason they are probably getting snarky) It's not about the music anymore. Oh---and Stevie is doing ZERO press.

Or is his snark just for the hardcore fans? He's quite happy to play for the dilettantes who just show up for the hits and couldn't name anyone in the band except maybe Stevie. As long as the checks clear. I think he could care less about some newspaper review as long as they are selling tickets. I think that's true of the rest as well.


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