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FuzzyPlum 09-20-2019 05:14 PM

Fleetwood Mac's Songbird: Christine McVie
 
Just finished watching this programme. It was okay. It was lovely to have a documentary focusing on Christine, its just a shame it didn't focus on her a bit more. Much of this programme was just a retreading of the history of Fleetwood Mac. Every now and then the makers of the programme remembered it was supposed to be about Christine and brought her back in and played more of her music.

Once again its a shame they didn't focus more on the Bob Welch years. They talked a bit about Bob and mentioned how Chris harmonized with him so well. Sadly none of her music from this period was played.

Stevie made regular contributions; Humorously she mimicked Chris' English accent a couple of times and sounded (and looked) like the Queen.

Irritatingly Neil Finn and Mike Campbell made significant contributions- 'dudes, you've known her for , like, 2 years!!!!'
Neil did comment on her songwriting and mentioned they'd only recently been working on a song together. Perhaps some new music will come out of this incarnation of the band after all.

The images from the Buckingham McVie period were a beautiful reminder of that time. She broke my heart a bit though by saying how great Lindsey was but then callously saying it had to be done and how great it was on stage with the current band. So sad they had to make a programme about Christine McVie with no contribution from Lindsey.

Overall, I'd say there was pretty much nothing new in this documentary. I was hoping for more detail. I'd like to have heard about her relationship with Martin Birch. I'd have liked to have heard from Curry Grant himself. I'd liked to have heard more about exactly what she did in her time away from the band (I don't think they even mentioned In The Meantime).

I did like her description of herself as 'The Queen of the Hook'. Perhaps the biggest take-away from this was full confirmation from the horses mouth (as it were) that Over My Head was definitely 100% written about Lindsey.

Nicks Fan 09-20-2019 06:48 PM

I can see it now. All the SN cult members will take the bit about Over My Head as proof that he was abusive and temperamental back then. And it justifies his firing.

lovethemac1 09-20-2019 07:03 PM

Regarding Over My Head, did Chris have a crush on Lindsey?

FuzzyPlum 09-21-2019 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by lovethemac1 (Post 1254244)
Regarding Over My Head, did Chris have a crush on Lindsey?

She intimated she did, yes.

lovethemac1 09-21-2019 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum (Post 1254269)
She intimated she did, yes.

Very interesting....I wonder if that was ever acted on in the Rumours days?

elle 09-21-2019 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lovethemac1 (Post 1254285)
Very interesting....I wonder if that was ever acted on in the Rumours days?

my bet was always that it was - some time in 70s or 80s, because if nothing else they were all so drunk and high and uninhibited. it would be almost improbable that they never did. Christine has been clear over the years that she had a crush on Lindsey at some points. shippers would just always drown this as impossible.

michelej1 09-21-2019 11:18 PM

I donít like to think that they have slept together, but Iíve always loved their familiarity and particularly when it gets physical. I like when they touch, touch hair, kiss or stare at each other. Always have. My Dance bootlegs are all boxed up now, but on the label outside of the case I would always write down how intimate Lindsey and Chris got for the final bow, in case wanted to watch that bit over!

But I lived SnL very, very much as well.

aleuzzi 09-22-2019 01:36 PM

The doc was good. Could have been great had there been more focus on Christine’s vocal and instrumental abilities. Not one mention of IN THE MEANTIME, which is absurd. The entire doc centered on her as an entity of the band, as someone whose sense of self is connected inextricably to the band. Fair enough, but where was the song writing award mention (Ivor Morello?)? That I believe was as much responsible for her reemergence as her overcoming the fear of flying.

Loved the earlier coverage, and then the brief but cool footage of the band recording the HEROES soundboard stuff. Love, too, the footage of the Hold Me video and later the footage of her singing with Mick’s blues band in Maui.

Tired of Stevie’s bs stories about them forming a pact and tired of her condescending imitation of Christine’s voice.

Dennis and Curry and Eddie—but no Martin Birch!

Loved the snippet of Christine playing a Sony Thompson-blues passage on the piano.

Some of the best insights regarding Christine’s voice come, ironically, from Neil Fynn.

elle 09-22-2019 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1254313)
Tired of Stevieís bs stories about them forming a pact and tired of her condescending imitation of Christineís voice.

yup! so condescending and belittling to Christine. Christine won Melody Maker award for pioneering woman 10 years before she ever met Stevie. she was a respected musician and vocalist and didn't need Stevie to tell her what to do, but Stevie may have needed Christine's support and help.

jeets2000 09-24-2019 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1254317)
yup! so condescending and belittling to Christine. Christine won Melody Maker award for pioneering woman 10 years before she ever met Stevie. she was a respected musician and vocalist and didn't need Stevie to tell her what to do, but Stevie may have needed Christine's support and help.

And had already been a force within that very band for YEARS before Stevie joined anyway. She didn't need back up.

bombaysaffires 09-25-2019 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jeets2000 (Post 1254360)
And had already been a force within that very band for YEARS before Stevie joined anyway. She didn't need back up.

and really Chris was they key to Stevie getting in the band, not Lindsey. If Chris had said nah, Lindsey was out as well unless he was willing to give up Stevie. Chris had the veto power.

lovethemac1 09-25-2019 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires (Post 1254379)
and really Chris was they key to Stevie getting in the band, not Lindsey. If Chris had said nah, Lindsey was out as well unless he was willing to give up Stevie. Chris had the veto power.

And how ironic is that jump forward 40 years, and she could have had veto power again, but chose not to use it. Instead, she bailed big time and left Lindsey hanging in the wind.

:mad::mad::mad:

michelej1 09-25-2019 08:44 PM

You will find the serial killer on orange grove. Beware.

jbrownsjr 09-26-2019 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 1254391)
You will find the serial killer on orange grove. Beware.

During the Interviews, I remember someone asking the whole band what the deal with the Orange Grove was. And Christine laughed and said, "Stevie and Lindsey." I never knew what that meant.

aleuzzi 09-26-2019 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1254404)
During the Interviews, I remember someone asking the whole band what the deal with the Orange Grove was. And Christine laughed and said, "Stevie and Lindsey." I never knew what that meant.

Step into the velvet of the orange...

David 09-26-2019 11:56 AM

Thanks to Mike Campbell, we know that Stevie's going out on the road for another one of her gargantuan tours, and we know that Fleetwood Mac probably has nothing scheduled for a long time (because the lead singer and the lead guitarist are taking a band hiatus). So, to me, the only question is what Chris plans to do with her time. Will she reach out to Lindsey? Will Lindsey be available? She came back for good in October 2014óand got five years out of it (two world tours and one album).

aleuzzi 09-26-2019 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 1254414)
Thanks to Mike Campbell, we know that Stevie's going out on the road for another one of her gargantuan tours, and we know that Fleetwood Mac probably has nothing scheduled for a long time (because the lead singer and the lead guitarist are taking a band hiatus). So, to me, the only question is what Chris plans to do with her time. Will she reach out to Lindsey? Will Lindsey be available? She came back for good in October 2014óand got five years out of it (two world tours and one album).

I wonder the same. I really want new Chris songs. That's all I really care about. She doesn't need to tour. Just give me more studio recordings.

I wonder if a Lindsey/Christine album is even a possibility or if that bridge has been burned. If it happened, she wouldn't likely be able to use John and Mick.

michelej1 09-26-2019 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1254404)
During the Interviews, I remember someone asking the whole band what the deal with the Orange Grove was. And Christine laughed and said, "Stevie and Lindsey." I never knew what that meant.

Her mother told her that “you will find it on orange grove.” She thought that meant in a real Orange Grove with fruit. However Stevie and Lindsey lived on Orange Grove. Her mother was leading her to Stevie and Lindsey — because her mother was evil, apparently.

They lived at 751 N. Orange Grove.

michelej1 09-26-2019 12:34 PM

I enjoy stories about Tee. In all seriousness though it makes me sad. It reinforces the notion that they were destined. The fact that things ended so badly does not change what went before, but it changes it for me somehow. It makes it hard for me to take any pleasure from the past.

jeets2000 09-26-2019 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1254415)
I wonder the same. I really want new Chris songs. That's all I really care about. She doesn't need to tour. Just give me more studio recordings.

I wonder if a Lindsey/Christine album is even a possibility or if that bridge has been burned. If it happened, she wouldn't likely be able to use John and Mick.

I feel the same way. Obviously there's no making up for what happened last year, but for Lindsey and Christine to be able to put that all behind them and make new music (without the other clowns) would be about as close to a silver lining as I could hope for at this point.

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Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 1254419)
Her mother told her that ďyou will find it on orange grove.Ē She thought that meant in a real Orange Grove with fruit. However Stevie and Lindsey lived on Orange Grove. Her mother was leading her to Stevie and Lindsey ó because her mother was evil, apparently.

They lived at 751 N. Orange Grove.

:laugh:

vivfox 09-26-2019 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1254404)
During the Interviews, I remember someone asking the whole band what the deal with the Orange Grove was. And Christine laughed and said, "Stevie and Lindsey." I never knew what that meant.

In that 1986 SN interview with Molly Meldrum, Stevie explains the entire story of Christine's mother telling CM, "you will find IT in Orange Grove."

vivfox 09-28-2019 02:48 PM

I enjoyed this special because it was a tribute to Christine McVie. I loved the pre 1975 stuff cause a lot of info was new to me. After 1975 it kinda felt more like a Stevie Nicks tribute film I was watching. I was hoping all the focus would be on Chris.
Did anyone notice how they used the camera footage from an audience member when showing the return of Chris with Fleetwood Mac at the Ireland show? That was one of my favorite clips even before this special aired. Members of the entourage must have made their own films. I remember seeing Marty Holm standing on LB's side of the stage filming.But alas it was one of us who had the better clip!!
The Lindsey bashing was totally un-necessary for this film. I agree with other posters how this entire thing was designed to fit the current narrative.

Matthew 10-03-2019 11:44 AM

Can I see the documentary anywehere? I cant watch it on official BBC website, because Im not in the UK...

Villavic 10-08-2019 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1254415)
I wonder if a Lindsey/Christine album is even a possibility or if that bridge has been burned.

I read somewhere that he still loves them. If he really mean it, that includes Christine, that's for sure. I would love to see a new production of both together. It costs nothing to dream (actually I dreamed for years about Christine coming back to Fleetwood Mac, and that came true in 2014, though unfortunately it didn't last enough).

nicepace 10-10-2019 08:54 AM

Where can I view this program?

Does the show have much about Christine's early years, her time with Chicken Shack and her "Legendary Christine Perfect album"?

As for Chris reuniting with Lindsey for another album, wouldn't Lindsey's health status make this impossible?

elle 10-10-2019 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by nicepace (Post 1254524)
Where can I view this program?

Does the show have much about Christine's early years, her time with Chicken Shack and her "Legendary Christine Perfect album"?

As for Chris reuniting with Lindsey for another album, wouldn't Lindsey's health status make this impossible?

well, his heart attack was end of January, so that part should be almost to normal.... and for his voice, collaboration where he has a singer should work, no?

i do think he's working on fixing his voice, and would probably like to get out his solo stuff first, if he gets at least some of his voice back.

David 10-14-2019 02:29 PM

It’s more than a shame — it’s actually kind of embarrassing — that a big career retrospective on TV for Christine didn’t feature some big names. Where are all the big stars who have loved her music all these decades? Where’s McCartney? Phil Collins? Stevie Winwood? Clapton? Elton? They should be in a TV special like this one, praising Chris for her one-of-the-boys musicianship, pioneering spirit, and songwriting hooks. Why do all the superstars only come out for Stevie Nicks every f*cking time?

bombaysaffires 10-14-2019 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 1254581)
Itís more than a shame ó itís actually kind of embarrassing ó that a big career retrospective on TV for Christine didnít feature some big names. Where are all the big stars who have loved her music all these decades? Whereís McCartney? Phil Collins? Stevie Winwood? Clapton? Elton? They should be in a TV special like this one, praising Chris for her one-of-the-boys musicianship, pioneering spirit, and songwriting hooks. Why do all the superstars only come out for Stevie Nicks every f*cking time?

or any of her regular collaborators on stuff both for FM and her solo work like Richard Hawkins, or her nephew with whom she did a WHOLE ALBUM? And why FFS is that album soooo taboo for her to ever even mention?? Coz it didn't sell a zillion copies and that means it's too shameful to ever reference? Or Lindsey, with whom she did a whole album? (Ok maybe he couldn't talk during the time this was taped) But why shouldn't he get to compliment her and what it was like working with her for years? Oh.....Right. It was the Stevie Nicks PR show.:distress:

michelej1 10-14-2019 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 1254581)
Itís more than a shame ó itís actually kind of embarrassing ó that a big career retrospective on TV for Christine didnít feature some big names. Where are all the big stars who have loved her music all these decades? Whereís McCartney? Phil Collins? Stevie Winwood? Clapton? Elton? They should be in a TV special like this one, praising Chris for her one-of-the-boys musicianship, pioneering spirit, and songwriting hooks. Why do all the superstars only come out for Stevie Nicks every f*cking time?

Look, at some point you get tired of carrying a girlís books home from school and start resenting her for it. When the producer calls and asks if you want to participate, youíre just, ďLight up or leave me alone.Ē

But youíre right. And why donít other women call Christine a pioneer? I can see why young women romanticize about Stevie and her showmanship. In Stevieís lyric speak to me as well.

Why arenít Linda Ronstadt or Dolly Parton or the Dixie Chicks talking about Christine for her musicianship? That dame. People canít get past Little Lies.

nicepace 10-23-2019 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 1254585)
And why don’t other women call Christine a pioneer? .... Why aren’t Linda Ronstadt or Dolly Parton or the Dixie Chicks talking about Christine for her musicianship?

I completely, totally agree with this. I have been saying this for so many years. Even in the Fleetwood Mac fan community, Christine's musicianship gets overlooked and ignored. During the era of the late '60s to early '70s, years when she was with Chicken Shack, recording her first solo album, and her early years with Fleetwood Mac, she was in a category virtually by herself: a woman who sang lead, wrote her own songs, and played an instrument in a popular music band. How many others were there at the time?

michelej1 10-23-2019 03:34 PM

And such a voice she had. It makes you feel the emotion even if the words donít. I am thinking of songs like Why or Over My Head. Thereís an ache there.

Even Lindsey said that he and Stevie are nasal, while Christine has these honey tones. I donít know why other celebrities donít talk about her.

Kyle 11-22-2019 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by vivfox (Post 1254425)
In that 1986 SN interview with Molly Meldrum, Stevie explains the entire story of Christine's mother telling CM, "you will find IT in Orange Grove."

Is there an interview where Christine discusses the details of her Mother's prophesy.

michelej1 11-23-2019 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle (Post 1254942)
Is there an interview where Christine discusses the details of her Mother's prophesy.

I don't know if there is, but there are interviews where she discusses her mother's psychic abilities. She just did one this year. I remember old stories about her mother curing a neighbor's TERMINAL cancer completely or getting rid of a wart or some such thing. She said she had a huge wart on her nose and her mother put a finger on it and the next day it was gone.

She says her brother has psychic abilities too. I don't know if Christine does, if she has ever said that she can see into the future, but they say she has healing abilities. If her mother got rid of a neighbor's cancer by letting the neighbor wear her gloves, that's all the more reason why Christine should have at least paid a brief visit to Lindsey after his surgery. Laid hands on him or his chest or larynx. Let him slip his hand inside her glove.

HomerMcvie 11-24-2019 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 1254950)
I don't know if there is, but there are interviews where she discusses her mother's psychic abilities. She just did one this year. I remember old stories about her mother curing a neighbor's TERMINAL cancer completely or getting rid of a wart or some such thing. She said she had a huge wart on her nose and her mother put a finger on it and the next day it was gone.

She says her brother has psychic abilities too. I don't know if Christine does, if she has ever said that she can see into the future, but they say she has healing abilities. If her mother got rid of a neighbor's cancer by letting the neighbor wear her gloves, that's all the more reason why Christine should have at least paid a brief visit to Lindsey after his surgery. Laid hands on him or his chest or larynx. Let him slip his hand inside her glove.

She apparently has no loyalty to him, despite their loving appearances on Buck Vie.

I've lost all my respect for my life long heroine. She's only half a notch above that IDIOT Mick, and the stupid, selfish old goat.

And John is no better.

Macfan4life 11-24-2019 03:58 PM

(Replying to Kyle)

If you listen to the interview posted "Christine's Island Discs" she does talk at length about her mother's psychic abilities and how she just wanted to have a normal mother. Although her mother kept much of this part of her life private but there would be all kinds of strangers showing up at the house, etc.
As far as details about the "orange grove" she talked about this during a 1988 Rockline interview with the band to promote the "Greatest Hits" album. It seems Stevie likes to mention it more than Christine. It was brought up as a question to ask if the album cover was an orange blossom in related to the "orange grove." Christine said the album cover was not related to her mother but I believe the cover is an orange blossom? (I forget).

Kyle 11-24-2019 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1254964)
(Replying to Kyle)

As far as details about the "orange grove" she talked about this during a 1988 Rockline interview with the band to promote the "Greatest Hits" album.

Thank you for the information. I made some google searches for the 1988 Rockline interview. All I could find were some CD trade sites that don't seem to have been updated for years. Do you know anywhere I can download this interview?

michelej1 11-24-2019 08:08 PM

Christineís mother held seances too. She was basically a witch. It would have been interesting if she had lived longer and known the Rumours band.

aleuzzi 11-25-2019 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 1254950)
She says her brother has psychic abilities too. I don't know if Christine does, if she has ever said that she can see into the future, but they say she has healing abilities. If her mother got rid of a neighbor's cancer by letting the neighbor wear her gloves, that's all the more reason why Christine should have at least paid a brief visit to Lindsey after his surgery. Laid hands on him or his chest or larynx. Let him slip his hand inside her glove.

Somewhere in one of the gazillion interviews she's given, Christine has said she does not possess her mother's psychic abilities; however Mick says she does have the healing touch. In his first autobiography, he remembers having a seizure at a Tusk Tour press conference. Christine massaged his shoulders and the seizure abated. Reporters were said to be baffled.

vivfox 12-01-2019 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 1254950)
Let him slip his hand inside her glove.

You made me laugh out loud today.

jbrownsjr 12-03-2019 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle (Post 1254965)
Thank you for the information. I made some google searches for the 1988 Rockline interview. All I could find were some CD trade sites that don't seem to have been updated for years. Do you know anywhere I can download this interview?

I remember this interview.


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