LB and CM album on the UK and US charts
 

The numbers are in!

So the album has debuted officially at #5 on the UK albums chart which is fantastic! I have to say that showing is slightly unexpected. The sales are also extremely strong on 19,147.

In the US though things are looking less rosy. According to reliable sources the album will debut at #22 on the Billboard 200 on sales of 20,443. This now includes streaming sales which account for just 454 of the sales. If the Billboard 200 still worked the way it used to without streaming, the album would be at #6 with sales of 19,989. In my opinion the Billboard 200 does not truly reflect what people are actually buying and so I think it is unfair. Anyway.

So particularly good in the UK, not so great in the US. Turns out very nearly just as many people in the UK bought the album as in the US.

And there you have it for week 1!

22 in the U.S. and people were calling 24KG a flop:shrug:

Oh seriously, give it a bloody bone! What are you hoping to achieve with that BS comment.

As if the U.S. charts are decisive...
Christine and Lindsey have a strong worldwide fanbase.

Buckingham McVie charting this week:
Australian Albums: 21
Belgian Albums: 13
Dutch Albums: 14
German Albums: 27
Irish Albums: 9
New Zealand Albums: 22
Norwegian Albums : 31
Scottish Albums: 2
Swedish Albums: 28
UK Albums: 5

You may want to compare that to 24KGs chart success, which you can find here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_Kar...from_the_Vault

Thanks James.

Bloody streaming.

Anyone in the US know why it hasn't picked up much there?

3 Clues...

1. 67 - 73.
2. What's in a name?
3. Goatless.

Christine did a fair old media blitz in the UK; BBC Radio 2, Later with Jools Holland, BBC Breakfast, The One Show. Apart from Fallon, did they do much TV in the US? Yes, they did lots of magazine/newspaper interviews but so few people actually read these days. Its all about TV/Internet. If the UK was all about Christine, Lindsey hasn't really pulled his weight in the US. That said, I'm sure he's been focusing his time prepping for the live shows- both BM and Mac- I imagine much of the responsibility for all that falls on him.

Red Sun should have been serviced to every top 40 station throughout the US as it's our season for vacation and heading to the Ocean. The promo has been far better in the UK.

Red Sun would have got exactly zero spins at top 40 radio stations in the US.

As for the usual insecure troll that needs to drop in with their divisive BS, I am sure it makes a lonely insignificant life feel more fulfilled. There is no need for it just as I find the LB/FM disiciples negative anti Stevi crap to be nothing more than monkey's throwing crap at each other in their own cage.

Enjoy the continued creative output from these 5 iconic masters of their craft who are most likely in the final 2 to 7 years of their fabulously success careers.

Two comments-

1) A lot of musicians DO base their success on how the album or singles do in the US. They see that as a strong barometer of their success.

2) While I'm sure the artist is happy their album does well in other countries, as a fan, I really only care how they do in America. If they go to #1 in the UK, that's great, but I really want the artist to sell well here in the US.

Having said that, I think it's great the album hit #22 here in America. It did about what I expected and is nothing to sneeze at. Radio has changed so much since 1990 that I'm always surprised when artists like Fleetwood Mac or Stevie Nicks hit the top 10, let alone top 20. Unfortunately, since radio isn't playing any of the singles from the album, it has already hit it's peak, but at least we got some tv performances and lots of interviews and reviews out of it.

1) Part of the band is still british.
2) As a fan, it is irrelevant. You speak as an USAmerican fan here. As an european fan, I have another point of view, but together, we represent alot of the english speaking album buying part of the world :).

It is no more BS than calling a U.S. top ten album of rerecorded vault songs a flop which has been stated numerous times by more than on person on this forum .Glad it is doing well in the U.K. and Europe .I actually like most of the album.

I am a psychiatric nurse who works with the disenfranchised .I like to say that my job is to comfort the disturbed and to disturb the comfortable.I would not call that insignificant .What are you a used car salesman?

I just about spit up my morning TAB on #3. Thanks for making a better start to my day!:nod:

#1 is probably the biggest thing. The record buying public is young, and while they do have a segment there, the lion's share of their fanbase is probably 40+.

I think it's #2. It's all in the name.

cool, thanks James!

you got it completely wrong! :xoxo: look at James' post above and bolded parts. the record buying public is old. that's why they are #6 with record buying public in the US.

young people stream. and 1 stream of course does not equal 1 sale. if streaming was counted n the UK, they may have not been #5 there either?

do we know when the inclusion of streaming started on Billboard 200?

Yes, but touring behind it under that moniker wouldn't have been good. I mean, to me it would be perfekt. But I saw the Time tour, and people around me were bitching left and right, about them being goat less. And the greedy bastards don't want to tarnish the brand by appearing to be goat less.

You're a Stevie fan who pretends to like the album a little so you can drop bombs once in a while. It's pretty obvious. That being said you are entitled to say whatever you want, doesn't bother me. :wavey:

I'd still call 24KG a flop even if tomorrow the album peaks to #1. It's about quality. I never saw effort on 24KG. Not even love.

In practical terms, if an album went to #1, it would be considered a hit. It has nothing to do with our personal opinion of the quality of the album. I mean, plenty of 'hit' albums get bad reviews, just like plenty of 'hit' movies get bad reviews. Likewise, albums that get rave reviews might peak at #50 on Billboard. I guess it's just my opinion that a flop generally didn't meet sales expectations.

As for 24 Karat Gold, I myself hated the album, but I wouldn't say "I never saw effort on it. Not even love." If I remember correctly, and I can't double check because I sold my copy to a record store, Stevie dedicated the album to her mother's memory, who had recently died. I think Stevie said she rerecorded some of those particular demos because they were some of her mother's favorites, or something like that. So love was certainly there, even if you didn't feel it yourself.

Having said all that, even though 24 Karat Gold debuted in the top 10, it ultimately didn't sell much, so it could easily be considered a flop.

It's more predictable than timing an egg. lol

The whole bunch are predictable. And right on time. One after the other. :laugh:

It probably has to do hugely with streaming being counting as sales in the US. The vast majority of the audience that cares about a new album these days by Fleetwood Mac/Stevie Nicks/Buckingham McVie etc is not the type of audience that streams things much, they purchase actual copies. But the albums that they are competing with in the charts, regardless of the audience being completely different, are the ones that get very heavily streamed, putting their sales far ahead.

Streaming being counted for Billboard 200 sales was announced at the end of November 2014, starting sometime in the next month (I remember because this was a few weeks after the Taylor Swift album came out and she was against streaming, but her album still sold insane anyways) and then expanded what types of streams, including singles, etc over the past year or two.

If we're comparing to 24 Karat Gold, that was released about a month or two before the decision about streaming, so most of Stevie's sales would not have been affected by that.

And I might add, if they (being BM/FM/SN) had wanted to try and capitalize on the streaming thing, they should've done what the Rolling Stones did with their last album (albeit filled with covers) released at the end of last year. They did a lot of promotion with Apple Music-- released videos of Mick and Keith talking about the album, had the Apple Music site feature the album prominently, etc. And then they debuted first place in the UK, 4th in the US, sold pretty well in both countries and according to this tweet https://twitter.com/RollingStones/st...47645386534912, sold 2 million copies across the world.

Now obviously a lot of that probably has to do with the fact that they're the Rolling Stones and have a different level of fame than Fleetwood Mac and any of its members but I do think that the fact that they were smart about appealing to the streaming audience made a difference.

OMG, it's exhausting-- why oh why must there be comparisons between this duet record and Stevie's latest solo album? Who the eff cares? The sales figures for LB/CM are pretty good--and doing more than I thought they would.

What's more, the quality of the music is pretty damn high, higher in fact than I think any of us would have had a right to expect as these people enter or are already in the seventh decade of their lives.

I don't even care that is not called FLEETWOOD MAC. We got new music, and it's damn good. I'm feeling bliss.

You're welcome David.

I think your influence has finally rubbed off on me.

2017 the year I pull no punches.

This post makes me happy! Be honest. Pull no punches. Take no prisoners. Yet, love your neighbor. Because all those are possible at the same time. :wavey:

I haven't bought it yet, but have been streaming it every day since it was released.
I pay for Apple Music every month, so I don't buy music the way that I used to.

If there was no streaming, I would have bought it on day one.

I have to agree. When I saw FM four times on their last tour and Stevie once last year, there were A LOT of young people in attendance. FM appears to be quite " a thing" among youngsters. I can't help but feel this record could have been way bigger if if was released under the FM name. But I could be dead wrong. Do young people even buy full albums anymore? Dunno. I'm not young. :D:D

Good point! Do they know what albums are?

I just don't get why people keep bringing up buying albums as a problem- in actual albums bought, whether physical or download, they are #6 in the US.

The problem is that streaming now counts too. So if you really wanna compare to 2015 and before in sales you need to take just albums bought category where again, they are apparently #6 here and #5 in the U.K. Either way, people are buying this album and even some promotion for the tour now kicked in, so all that is pretty great!

Why are we talking about BUYING albums? In albums bought they are apparently #6 here and #5 in the U.K. Which sounds pretty great to me. I guess if you wanna compare to pre 2015 / pre streaming counting releases, those are the numbers to use.

Sorry about double post my phone locked up and looked like the first post didn't go through.

The reason I had/have high hopes for the success of this album is that I want Fleetwood Mac to morph into Buckingham McVie.

We now know with certainty there will never be another Fleetwood Mac album thanks to Stevie.

However, if BuckVie had been/were to be more successful this entity could give the Mac and Lindsey/Christine the incentive to continue under this new brand.

Based on these Sales, I'm betting this will be the last BuckVie album.

However, it is interesting to conceive of Mick and John supporting Christine's solo album.

-John

#22 in the U.S. is better than I was expecting. Buckingham McVie is a non-proven entity. The sound may be familiar, but the name is not. Compare this ranking to a Buckingham or McVie solo outing, and I think they have reason to be proud and recognize the relative appeal of collaboration.

Exactly!! Stevie Nicks has been a known name for many years.
Who knows who BUCKVIE are?? First outing. Very shocked and surprised in a good way that they charted. Good job, BuckVie!

that's interesting concept... i was thinking the last few days that this album is actually getting their 2 names more known and associated with FM - so who knows?

also -

US Top Album Sales: #6 @BuckinghamMcvie, Lindsey Buckingham/Christine McVie 22,099 (debut).

— chart data (@chartdata) June 19, 2017

The Fleetwood-McVie Blues Band
Mick Fleetwood
John McVie
Christine McVie
Rick Vito

Outsold Katy perry in the Uk in her first week. Wow.

Have sales ever stopped Lindsey from producing music before? I don't get the feeling he's really that in it for the money when it comes to the actual production of the album. Say You Will and most of his solo stuff are proof of that.