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Mario 11-30-2006 10:41 AM

Shimon Holly & Peter Green
 
Hello from Italy.

Does anybody still got the picture of the sleeve of that session
Greeny did with jewish guitar player Shimon Holly?

I did remember the cd was sold on ebay, but now that picture isn't available
anymore.

I'm trying to make an historical setting for the session and I'm sure that picture will help me out.

Thanks,

Mario.:D

wetcamelfood 11-30-2006 11:41 AM

Hi Mario, Can you post further details on this CD? I wasn't aware Peter played on a Shimon Holly CD. Thanks in advance. :)

John

dino 11-30-2006 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mario (Post 606920)
Hello from Italy.

Does anybody still got the picture of the sleeve of that session
Greeny did with jewish guitar player Shimon Holly?

I did remember the cd was sold on ebay, but now that picture isn't available
anymore.

I'm trying to make an historical setting for the session and I'm sure that picture will help me out.

Thanks,

Mario.:D


I have it, but it was to big to upload. I'll figure something out.
Does anyone actually know ANYTHING about this Holly figure?

Mario 11-30-2006 12:54 PM

Hello John,

it all started here at the Ledge, with an old thread called "an unknow session?"

The cd featuring the session with Greeny was sold together with a Shimon Holly LP on EBAY.

I did remember that a picture of the sleeve was available, but now I can't see it anymore.

Peter was holding a Gibson Les Paul (maybe the same one Mick Fleetwood gave him in 1978 in L.A.) and Peter's playing just reminds me to "In The Skies" and jam n.2 (a slow blues maybe based on Love That Burns) sound a little bit as the track "A Fool No More" from the "In The Skies" album.

So my personal historical setting is 1977/1978, that photo should help me a lot.

Mario.

Mario 11-30-2006 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dino (Post 606981)
I have it, but it was to big to upload. I'll figure something out.
Does anyone actually know ANYTHING about this Holly figure?

Dino, if you have it, then please send it at m.pirrus@mclink.it

Thanks,

Mario.

dansven 11-30-2006 03:50 PM

Hi folks!

I bought that recording from that same ebay seller from Israel. It was a CDr and the cover was the one that appeared on ebay with two different photos of Peter (not top quality). As I said, this was a CDr, but I think that it may have been released officially as a single in Israel... or as a domestic, semi-official sort of thing.. :shrug:

There is not much info at all on Shimon Holly, and of course neither of the session itself.

Daniel

wetcamelfood 12-01-2006 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dansven (Post 607118)
I think that it may have been released officially as a single in Israel... or as a domestic, semi-official sort of thing.. :shrug:
There is not much info at all on Shimon Holly, and of course neither of the session itself.

Daniel

Thanks Daniel (& Mario), so do you know what the titles on this single were/would have been? I guess llike Mario says "Jam N.2" would be the name of one but do you know what the title was on the flip side?

It'd just make it a lot easier if I have titles so I can research it etc.

Thanks for any further info you can provide on this in advance. :)

John

Mario 12-01-2006 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wetcamelfood (Post 607579)
Thanks Daniel (& Mario), so do you know what the titles on this single were/would have been? I guess llike Mario says "Jam N.2" would be the name of one but do you know what the title was on the flip side?

It'd just make it a lot easier if I have titles so I can research it etc.

Thanks for any further info you can provide on this in advance. :)

John

It's only 15 minutes in all , two tracks simply named "Jam 1" and "Jam 2"

Mario.:D

dansven 12-01-2006 12:02 PM

I assume that I am the source to this recording among the traders at the Ledge... (Or maybe somebody else got it from "outside" too:shrug: )
That means that I also have to take responsibility for any error...

See, the thing is there is some Hebrew writing on the cover art, but I have no idea what it means. It could very well be the titles of the two tracks, but I don't know anybody who reads Hebrew. So because both songs are standard 12 bar blues (one uptempo and one slow), I simply titled them "Blues Jam 1" and "Blues Jam 2" myself.

Perhaps anybody at the Ledge understand Hebrew?:shrug:

sharksfan2000 12-01-2006 12:23 PM

2 Attachment(s)
Daniel, your names for the two tracks sound as good as anything else! :D I suspect the Hebrew on the cover art just says "Peter Green / Shimon Holly". I've attached reduced-size jpg files of the artwork.

dansven 12-01-2006 12:55 PM

Thanks for that, sharksfan2000 :)
And yes, I guess you're right about the Hebrew writing...

maryellen healy 12-01-2006 03:31 PM

The Holly and The Green
 
For any number of reasons, Mr green's life and adventures are entertaining.

kowk 12-02-2006 11:23 AM

Peter Green Sessionography by Mario Pirrone
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mario (Post 606920)

I'm trying to make an historical setting for the session and I'm sure that picture will help me out.

Thanks,

Mario.:D

Hello from Poland,

I have this Sessionography printed out from not existing site www.petergreen.net It is a great treasure for Greeny fans. It ends in 2000. Thanks Mario for your great work :))) I think you are now working on the complete sessionography :)) It would be fantastic to help you by tracing Greeny's activities and giving information on Ledge forum. Apart from my earlier info of unknown recordings I'd like to show an interesting link with details about PGFM sessions and live shows http://www.chromeoxide.com/green.htm Maybe it would be usful? But I'm almost sure you know this site :))) But maybe others don't know.

Regards
Krzysztof

dino 12-02-2006 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharksfan2000 (Post 607635)
Daniel, your names for the two tracks sound as good as anything else! :D I suspect the Hebrew on the cover art just says "Peter Green / Shimon Holly". I've attached reduced-size jpg files of the artwork.


That second photo of Peter on the back cover
looks like it was taken in the late 80's.
Perhaps he went to Israel in the "In the skies" era?
He apparenly did go to Israel at least once in the 70s.

wetcamelfood 12-02-2006 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dino (Post 608486)
That second photo of Peter on the back cover
looks like it was taken in the late 80's.
Perhaps he went to Israel in the "In the skies" era?
He apparenly did go to Israel at least once in the 70s.

When I searched at Google there was a Hebrew site which said this, don't know if it helps or not:

"Israeli Sessions - Peter Green/Shimon Holly".
According to the information I received these jams took
place in the summer of 1983 or 1984. The sessions feature
Shimon Holly (guitar) and Fregel (drums"

I don't know who "I" is & I don't know how to translate Hebrew but since you were talking time lines, I thought it might help (even if it might not be credible). :)

John

dansven 12-02-2006 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wetcamelfood (Post 608603)
"Israeli Sessions - Peter Green/Shimon Holly".
According to the information I received these jams took
place in the summer of 1983 or 1984. The sessions feature
Shimon Holly (guitar) and Fregel (drums"

Thanks John! :)

So, summer 1983-84... wouldn't that be one of the trips that Kolors did to Israel?? I remember reading in the biography that one of these trips really messed up Peter ... lots of talk about money etc...

Mario 12-02-2006 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kowk (Post 608445)
Hello from Poland,

I have this Sessionography printed out from not existing site www.petergreen.net It is a great treasure for Greeny fans. It ends in 2000. Thanks Mario for your great work :))) I think you are now working on the complete sessionography :)) It would be fantastic to help you by tracing Greeny's activities and giving information on Ledge forum. Apart from my earlier info of unknown recordings I'd like to show an interesting link with details about PGFM sessions and live shows http://www.chromeoxide.com/green.htm Maybe it would be usful? But I'm almost sure you know this site :))) But maybe others don't know.

Regards
Krzysztof

Hello Krzysztoff

yes I'm still updtading the Sessionography on a regular basis and I put lots on new stuff on it, as sessions with Rudy Rotta, Chris Coco and the recent release of Otis Spann's and Duster Bennett's Blue Horizon Sessions, plus the two unreleased tracks from the 2006 reissue of "Blue Memphis Suite".

So turning again on that "Israeli Session", I don't believe it came from summer 1983/1984.
Ok Peter's story (and Martin Celmins book as well) tell us that he went in Tel Aviv back in summer 1984 with Kolors, when the tour suddently stopped, because the promoters, ran out of money, but after some more accurate inquiries, my personal historical setting is late 1981/early 1982, beetwen "Whatcha Gonna Do", Peter guest spot for Brian Knight's "A Dark Horse" and "White Sky".

Why?

well....
1- the Israeli Session, sleeve shows Peter playing a Gibson Les Paul, but it looks as the Les Paul is not the same one Peter is holding on some early PVK promo shots, circa 1978/1979, but also tell us that Peter wasn't in his long fingernails era 1983/1984/1985, while he was touring with Kolors (see the back cover of the 2005 reissue of the "Kolors" album.

2-On the Israeli session sleeve, I think Peter looks very similar to the photo available on the back cover of "Whatcha Gonna Do" and/or the "White Sky" band, also available on the 2005 reissue of "White Sky".

3-Last, but not the least, Peter's playing is too good for 1983/1984,we know damn well that in those years because of his illness he lost most of that "Greeny" energy and power; also he bends strings in a way he totally stopped during his Kolors days.

Anyway any input from you at the Ledge would be most welcome.

On a final note, Israeli Session has some great blues guitar and I'm pretty sure that it's right to say that had Peter played like that during his Splinter Group days, then we all had cried tears of joy!

:D
Stay Green,

Mario.

dino 12-02-2006 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mario (Post 608654)
my personal historical setting is late 1981/early 1982, beetwen "Whatcha Gonna Do", Peter guest spot for Brian Knight's "A Dark Horse" and "White Sky".

Mario.

Yep, sound plausible.
Listen to the "A dark horse" tracks. Peter plays very well on them,
so he must have been in good health around that time.
The main difference between those two sessions is he
plays with a Les Paul on the Israeli session - the Knight
session sounds like a Strat.

dansven 12-02-2006 07:47 PM

Mario, you have indeed 3 strong points there!:nod:
I tend to agree with you now, it's very hard to believe that the playing on this session belongs to Peter Green of the final days of Kolors.

kowk 06-07-2008 10:57 AM

Israeli radio broadcast music from this session
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mario (Post 608654)

well....
1- the Israeli Session, sleeve shows Peter playing a Gibson Les Paul, but it looks as the Les Paul is not the same one Peter is holding on some early PVK promo shots, circa 1978/1979, but also tell us that Peter wasn't in his long fingernails era 1983/1984/1985, while he was touring with Kolors (see the back cover of the 2005 reissue of the "Kolors" album.

2-On the Israeli session sleeve, I think Peter looks very similar to the photo available on the back cover of "Whatcha Gonna Do" and/or the "White Sky" band, also available on the 2005 reissue of "White Sky".

3-Last, but not the least, Peter's playing is too good for 1983/1984,we know damn well that in those years because of his illness he lost most of that "Greeny" energy and power; also he bends strings in a way he totally stopped during his Kolors days.

Mario.

On the site
http://www.elimarcus.com/ElisBluesRadio.html
there is an description:
09. Peter Green and Shimon Holly, Long Jam, live jam recorded in Israel early 1980's

It was broadcast (Eli's Blues) by Israel public radio 88FM, Sunday, November 4th, 2007 (09:00-10:00 PM Jerusalem time)

I asked Eli Marcus about some details but he didn't know much about this session.
But the info about the title Long Jam and an approximate date of recordings sounds interesting :-)

Regards
Krzysztof

Bassman 01-14-2011 07:13 AM

Tel Aviv
 
I think I can confirm that Kolors went to Tel Aviv for a festival in 1985, it was headlined by Marillion, and various other artists. Very poorly attended, no one got paid.:cool:

zoork_1 01-14-2011 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bassman (Post 935072)
I think I can confirm that Kolors went to Tel Aviv for a festival in 1985, it was headlined by Marillion, and various other artists. Very poorly attended, no one got paid.:cool:

Thanks Bassman, do you have more info on the festival in 1985?

/z

Mrpeabody 01-20-2011 07:50 PM

Just to confirm, the Hebrew on that CD cover does indeed translate into the two gentlemen's names.

kowk 03-22-2012 06:23 AM

Intersting news about Green/Holly session - WINTER 1979 !!!!
 
I found on eBay auction interesting details about this session.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Peter-Green-...item3cb1445cf1

Jams took place in the winter of 79 in ISRAEL ,TEL AVIV ESHEL STUDIO

The sessions feature Peter Green and Shimon Holly (guitar) ,Ofer Eckerling (guitar)
Josef Buzin ( drums) , Fima Shuster (from Stella Maris band- keyboards) , Koby (?) Bass gitar.

The CD including 2 never reliesed songs , full instrumental high quality level recordings :
Total time: 2 songs , 16 minutes of peace of art (7min. + 9 min.)
Name of blues song is Sometimeד I sad

In 1979, landed in the legendary guitarist Peter Green. Meets with Israeli guitar giant Simon Holly. And recorded with him in two pieces, a quarter of an hour in total,

kowk 03-22-2012 06:44 AM

Or maybe Green/Holly session was in the summer 1978 :-)
 
http://www.discogs.com/Peter-Green-S...elease/2981613

Description:
Peter Green paid a surprise visit to Israel in the summer of 1978 and jammed with local musicians in Tel Aviv Eshel studio. The sessions features the following musicians: Peter Green and Shimon Holly (guitar), Josef Buzzin ( drums), Fima Shuster (from Stella Maris band- keyboards), Bass gitar (uknown).
The CD including 2 never reliesed blues insrumental tracks with high quality superb sound.

mzero 03-23-2012 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kowk (Post 1044626)
http://www.discogs.com/Peter-Green-S...elease/2981613

Description:
Peter Green paid a surprise visit to Israel in the summer of 1978 and jammed with local musicians in Tel Aviv Eshel studio. The sessions features the following musicians: Peter Green and Shimon Holly (guitar), Josef Buzzin ( drums), Fima Shuster (from Stella Maris band- keyboards), Bass gitar (uknown).
The CD including 2 never reliesed blues insrumental tracks with high quality superb sound.

thanks kowk! 78/79 makes a lot more sense than the 80's. pete plays so well on these. mystery solved? z

Mario 03-24-2012 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mzero (Post 1044799)
thanks kowk! 78/79 makes a lot more sense than the 80's. pete plays so well on these. mystery solved? z

I don't know..it sounds more like 1981 for me....

Mario.

dino 09-07-2017 02:01 PM

It seems another track from these sessions has surfaced. It's not one of the 2 tracks we've already heard, is it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxTQq0OixUo

Definitely sounds like late 70's to me.

dansven 09-08-2017 10:33 AM

Isn't this one of the two blues jams on the two-track single? I don't have the single right here, but there were one slow and one uptempo track. I found this "The Woman On The Beach" a while ago listed on an Israeli radio station. It had been broadcast. It's nice to have a title at least, since the bootlegs just listed the songs as "Blues 1" and "Blues 2". Or "Slow Blues" and "Fast Blues".

dino 09-09-2017 05:48 AM

Yes you're right, Daniel. It's the second, slow track from the cd single.

dansven 09-09-2017 07:15 AM

I especially enjoy the slow one of those tracks. It reminds me of "A Fool No More" from In The Skies.

dino 11-01-2017 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dansven (Post 1216438)
I especially enjoy the slow one of those tracks. It reminds me of "A Fool No More" from In The Skies.

Me too. The playing is exquisite.

lazy poker 11-11-2017 06:27 AM

hi, friends!

would anyone out there with the 2 tracks in their collection PLEASE be so kind to provide me with a file of the second - uptempo - tune (which i sadly couldn't find on youtube)?! please contact me through p.m. and hopefully we can work something out. i would be very grateful!

cheers - martin

Wouter Vuijk 08-15-2018 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazy poker (Post 1218500)
hi, friends!

would anyone out there with the 2 tracks in their collection PLEASE be so kind to provide me with a file of the second - uptempo - tune (which i sadly couldn't find on youtube)?! please contact me through p.m. and hopefully we can work something out. i would be very grateful!

cheers - martin

Sent you a p.m. :wavey:
I'm working on uploading on yt

lazy poker 08-16-2018 04:56 AM

to all those nice people that helped to get my hands on that missing track:
:thumbsup: and thanks a million!
martin


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