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dansven 12-02-2006 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by wetcamelfood (Post 608603)
"Israeli Sessions - Peter Green/Shimon Holly".
According to the information I received these jams took
place in the summer of 1983 or 1984. The sessions feature
Shimon Holly (guitar) and Fregel (drums"

Thanks John! :)

So, summer 1983-84... wouldn't that be one of the trips that Kolors did to Israel?? I remember reading in the biography that one of these trips really messed up Peter ... lots of talk about money etc...

Mario 12-02-2006 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kowk (Post 608445)
Hello from Poland,

I have this Sessionography printed out from not existing site www.petergreen.net It is a great treasure for Greeny fans. It ends in 2000. Thanks Mario for your great work :))) I think you are now working on the complete sessionography :)) It would be fantastic to help you by tracing Greeny's activities and giving information on Ledge forum. Apart from my earlier info of unknown recordings I'd like to show an interesting link with details about PGFM sessions and live shows http://www.chromeoxide.com/green.htm Maybe it would be usful? But I'm almost sure you know this site :))) But maybe others don't know.

Regards
Krzysztof

Hello Krzysztoff

yes I'm still updtading the Sessionography on a regular basis and I put lots on new stuff on it, as sessions with Rudy Rotta, Chris Coco and the recent release of Otis Spann's and Duster Bennett's Blue Horizon Sessions, plus the two unreleased tracks from the 2006 reissue of "Blue Memphis Suite".

So turning again on that "Israeli Session", I don't believe it came from summer 1983/1984.
Ok Peter's story (and Martin Celmins book as well) tell us that he went in Tel Aviv back in summer 1984 with Kolors, when the tour suddently stopped, because the promoters, ran out of money, but after some more accurate inquiries, my personal historical setting is late 1981/early 1982, beetwen "Whatcha Gonna Do", Peter guest spot for Brian Knight's "A Dark Horse" and "White Sky".

Why?

well....
1- the Israeli Session, sleeve shows Peter playing a Gibson Les Paul, but it looks as the Les Paul is not the same one Peter is holding on some early PVK promo shots, circa 1978/1979, but also tell us that Peter wasn't in his long fingernails era 1983/1984/1985, while he was touring with Kolors (see the back cover of the 2005 reissue of the "Kolors" album.

2-On the Israeli session sleeve, I think Peter looks very similar to the photo available on the back cover of "Whatcha Gonna Do" and/or the "White Sky" band, also available on the 2005 reissue of "White Sky".

3-Last, but not the least, Peter's playing is too good for 1983/1984,we know damn well that in those years because of his illness he lost most of that "Greeny" energy and power; also he bends strings in a way he totally stopped during his Kolors days.

Anyway any input from you at the Ledge would be most welcome.

On a final note, Israeli Session has some great blues guitar and I'm pretty sure that it's right to say that had Peter played like that during his Splinter Group days, then we all had cried tears of joy!

:D
Stay Green,

Mario.

dino 12-02-2006 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mario (Post 608654)
my personal historical setting is late 1981/early 1982, beetwen "Whatcha Gonna Do", Peter guest spot for Brian Knight's "A Dark Horse" and "White Sky".

Mario.

Yep, sound plausible.
Listen to the "A dark horse" tracks. Peter plays very well on them,
so he must have been in good health around that time.
The main difference between those two sessions is he
plays with a Les Paul on the Israeli session - the Knight
session sounds like a Strat.

dansven 12-02-2006 07:47 PM

Mario, you have indeed 3 strong points there!:nod:
I tend to agree with you now, it's very hard to believe that the playing on this session belongs to Peter Green of the final days of Kolors.

kowk 06-07-2008 10:57 AM

Israeli radio broadcast music from this session
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mario (Post 608654)

well....
1- the Israeli Session, sleeve shows Peter playing a Gibson Les Paul, but it looks as the Les Paul is not the same one Peter is holding on some early PVK promo shots, circa 1978/1979, but also tell us that Peter wasn't in his long fingernails era 1983/1984/1985, while he was touring with Kolors (see the back cover of the 2005 reissue of the "Kolors" album.

2-On the Israeli session sleeve, I think Peter looks very similar to the photo available on the back cover of "Whatcha Gonna Do" and/or the "White Sky" band, also available on the 2005 reissue of "White Sky".

3-Last, but not the least, Peter's playing is too good for 1983/1984,we know damn well that in those years because of his illness he lost most of that "Greeny" energy and power; also he bends strings in a way he totally stopped during his Kolors days.

Mario.

On the site
http://www.elimarcus.com/ElisBluesRadio.html
there is an description:
09. Peter Green and Shimon Holly, Long Jam, live jam recorded in Israel early 1980's

It was broadcast (Eli's Blues) by Israel public radio 88FM, Sunday, November 4th, 2007 (09:00-10:00 PM Jerusalem time)

I asked Eli Marcus about some details but he didn't know much about this session.
But the info about the title Long Jam and an approximate date of recordings sounds interesting :-)

Regards
Krzysztof

Bassman 01-14-2011 07:13 AM

Tel Aviv
 
I think I can confirm that Kolors went to Tel Aviv for a festival in 1985, it was headlined by Marillion, and various other artists. Very poorly attended, no one got paid.:cool:

zoork_1 01-14-2011 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bassman (Post 935072)
I think I can confirm that Kolors went to Tel Aviv for a festival in 1985, it was headlined by Marillion, and various other artists. Very poorly attended, no one got paid.:cool:

Thanks Bassman, do you have more info on the festival in 1985?

/z

Mrpeabody 01-20-2011 07:50 PM

Just to confirm, the Hebrew on that CD cover does indeed translate into the two gentlemen's names.

kowk 03-22-2012 06:23 AM

Intersting news about Green/Holly session - WINTER 1979 !!!!
 
I found on eBay auction interesting details about this session.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Peter-Green-...item3cb1445cf1

Jams took place in the winter of 79 in ISRAEL ,TEL AVIV ESHEL STUDIO

The sessions feature Peter Green and Shimon Holly (guitar) ,Ofer Eckerling (guitar)
Josef Buzin ( drums) , Fima Shuster (from Stella Maris band- keyboards) , Koby (?) Bass gitar.

The CD including 2 never reliesed songs , full instrumental high quality level recordings :
Total time: 2 songs , 16 minutes of peace of art (7min. + 9 min.)
Name of blues song is Sometimeד I sad

In 1979, landed in the legendary guitarist Peter Green. Meets with Israeli guitar giant Simon Holly. And recorded with him in two pieces, a quarter of an hour in total,

kowk 03-22-2012 06:44 AM

Or maybe Green/Holly session was in the summer 1978 :-)
 
http://www.discogs.com/Peter-Green-S...elease/2981613

Description:
Peter Green paid a surprise visit to Israel in the summer of 1978 and jammed with local musicians in Tel Aviv Eshel studio. The sessions features the following musicians: Peter Green and Shimon Holly (guitar), Josef Buzzin ( drums), Fima Shuster (from Stella Maris band- keyboards), Bass gitar (uknown).
The CD including 2 never reliesed blues insrumental tracks with high quality superb sound.

mzero 03-23-2012 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kowk (Post 1044626)
http://www.discogs.com/Peter-Green-S...elease/2981613

Description:
Peter Green paid a surprise visit to Israel in the summer of 1978 and jammed with local musicians in Tel Aviv Eshel studio. The sessions features the following musicians: Peter Green and Shimon Holly (guitar), Josef Buzzin ( drums), Fima Shuster (from Stella Maris band- keyboards), Bass gitar (uknown).
The CD including 2 never reliesed blues insrumental tracks with high quality superb sound.

thanks kowk! 78/79 makes a lot more sense than the 80's. pete plays so well on these. mystery solved? z

Mario 03-24-2012 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mzero (Post 1044799)
thanks kowk! 78/79 makes a lot more sense than the 80's. pete plays so well on these. mystery solved? z

I don't know..it sounds more like 1981 for me....

Mario.

dino 09-07-2017 02:01 PM

It seems another track from these sessions has surfaced. It's not one of the 2 tracks we've already heard, is it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxTQq0OixUo

Definitely sounds like late 70's to me.

dansven 09-08-2017 10:33 AM

Isn't this one of the two blues jams on the two-track single? I don't have the single right here, but there were one slow and one uptempo track. I found this "The Woman On The Beach" a while ago listed on an Israeli radio station. It had been broadcast. It's nice to have a title at least, since the bootlegs just listed the songs as "Blues 1" and "Blues 2". Or "Slow Blues" and "Fast Blues".

dino 09-09-2017 05:48 AM

Yes you're right, Daniel. It's the second, slow track from the cd single.


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