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TheWildHeart67 07-06-2018 11:26 AM

Stevie Nicks survived abusive relationship with former bandmate Lindsey Buckingham, c
 
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...ok-claims.html

TheWildHeart67 07-06-2018 11:41 AM

Didn't this book come out a while ago? I wonder why Fox news is talking about it now?

paleshadow 07-06-2018 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWildHeart67 (Post 1232242)
Didn't this book come out a while ago? I wonder why Fox news is talking about it now?

Probably just because they've been in the news recently with the firing of Lindsey and the tour. My Barnes and Noble had a FM section on their display wall the other day, with Buckingham Mc Vie, The Very Best of FM, and 24 Karat Gold.

sodascouts 07-06-2018 01:04 PM

It ticks me off that this Davis guy can regurgitate a bunch of interviews others have done, get half his facts wrong, and still make money off of Stevie... while the gullible public eats it up. They also believe everything they read because hey, it wouldn't get published in a book if it weren't true!

So many people actually believe Stevie wrote this herself, or at least was interviewed extensively for it, simply because it has her picture on it and says "biography."

Nope. That would be an AUTObiography, folks. And this is not one. This is crap.

Thanks for the incisive reporting that lends credence to it, foxnews!

mitzo 07-06-2018 01:08 PM

OK so she did not survive an abusive relationship with Lindsey.:(:distress:

dreamsunwind 07-06-2018 01:31 PM

Stevie has never "reported" that Lindsey abused her (unless you're talking about the Tusk thing and Tango incident). We don't know what happened or didn't happen all those years ago but that she reported anything is completely untrue. I think a lot of people who aren't as familiar with Stevie/FM think that this book is a legit biography of Stevie which is why it pops up in the news every now and then. I actually got curious by all the terrible reviews that some fans gave the book so I skimmed through it myself and it really is pretty bad. Tons of inaccurate info, a lot of stories and things seemingly just pulled out of thin air, actual facts that are clearly checkable completely wrong and whatnot. Stevie never even spoke to the writer and I highly doubt anyone close to her did either and just "requested anonymity". This same writer also wrote a Carly Simon bio and he said he was a friend of Carly and she acknowledged that she knew him but she was FURIOUS about the book and denounced it and denounced the things he tried to portray in it and said she has never spoken to him about it and it wasn't authorized and all that. So in general I wouldn't give this book/writer too much attention.

mitzo 07-06-2018 01:52 PM

Therefore she did not survive an abusive relationship. Because the author of the book is a goof and did not talk to her.

dreamsunwind 07-06-2018 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mitzo (Post 1232255)
Therefore she did not survive an abusive relationship. Because the author of the book is a goof and did not talk to her.

I literally said that I have no idea what happened or didn't happen in that relationship. Just that things coming from this particular writer aren't legitimate. Other than that I have no idea. It was certainly a very toxic relationship, but anything beyond that none of us could know and I doubt we'll ever know.

TheWildHeart67 07-06-2018 03:38 PM

Yeah, I have no desire to read this cookie cutter book. As far as abuse, I do think he beat-up Carol Ann Harris. The co-producer of the Rumours album, Ken Caliat, has a blog, and he was asked about his opinion. He said he saw Lindsey "rough up" a few women, and doesn't doubt that he hit Carol Ann. But he also said Lindsey is a changed man after he had kids.
As for if he hit Stevie, he didn't mention it.

dreamsunwind 07-06-2018 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWildHeart67 (Post 1232274)
Yeah, I have no desire to read this cookie cutter book. As far as abuse, I do think he beat-up Carol Ann Harris. The co-producer of the Rumours album, Ken Caliat, has a blog, and he was asked about his opinion. He said he saw Lindsey "rough up" a few women, and doesn't doubt that he hit Carol Ann. But he also said Lindsey is a changed man after he had kids.
As for if he hit Stevie, he didn't mention it.

Yeah I read his blog too. I actually liked it since he didn't have that same pretentious tone as in his book and a lot of interviews. He hasn't posted in years though. But I agree with most of what you said. I read a recent-ish interview where when Stevie talked about the Tusk New Zealand incident and she was saying how when Lindsey started doing whatever he was doing, she didn't know how to react because no one had ever been "physical" with her before in her life. So who even knows. In general I don't really feel comfortable speculating about this type of thing.

StevieandChris 07-06-2018 04:21 PM

If anyone is curious I say get it from the library. It is not terrible and is a fast read, but there is no new info. It’s basically like he took a whole bunch of feature articles and interviews in chronological order and then smushed them altogether, somehow managing to get a few easily verifiable facts wrong.

I enjoyed Zoe’s book a lot more than this one.

dreamsunwind 07-06-2018 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by StevieandChris (Post 1232291)
If anyone is curious I say get it from the library. It is not terrible and is a fast read, but there is no new info. It’s basically like he took a whole bunch of feature articles and interviews in chronological order and then smushed them altogether, somehow managing to get a few easily verifiable facts wrong.

I enjoyed Zoe’s book a lot more than this one.

When I skimmed through it I remember reading some tall tale that said Stevie had specific requests to not have African American limo drivers. As if trying to say that she's a racist. That's when I put it down and realized it was crap. And then seeing how Carly Simon denounced the book he put out on her, it made more sense.
IA that the Zoe Howe book was at least more reliable but I doubt we'll ever get an actual "good" book on Stevie since all the writers have to base it off of is her interviews and other accounts and things, all of which are pretty exaggerated and many of which contradict each other.

Jondalar 07-06-2018 04:35 PM

Well he must not have been to mean, she has more than her share of self esteem. Hard to believe.

aleuzzi 07-06-2018 05:05 PM

The book was trash. This news story not substantiated. However, given the timing of its release coinciding with the band’s attempt to reboot, I wouldn’t be surprised if the story wasn’t encouraged by Stevie or Mick.

There’s little doubt of Lindsey’s abrasiveness, and of his occasionally being a class-A jerk. But claims of abuse should never be taken lightly or casually accepted as truth. I have yet to read any unquestionably reliable source confirming this—including Carol Ann Harris.

mitzo 07-07-2018 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1232298)
The book was trash. This news story not substantiated. However, given the timing of its release coinciding with the band’s attempt to reboot, I wouldn’t be surprised if the story wasn’t encouraged by Stevie or Mick.

There’s little doubt of Lindsey’s abrasiveness, and of his occasionally being a class-A jerk. But claims of abuse should never be taken lightly or casually accepted as truth. I have yet to read any unquestionably reliable source confirming this—including Carol Ann Harris.

There is a million tons of recent news and academic and legal research that make it seem that well, yes, claims of abuse by the abused need to be taken seriously and accepted as truth.


Stevie did not survive an abusive relationship with Lindsey. Because he is a great artist. Got it.

aleuzzi 07-07-2018 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mitzo (Post 1232326)
There is a million tons of recent news and academic and legal research that make it seem that well, yes, claims of abuse by the abused need to be taken seriously and accepted as truth.


Stevie did not survive an abusive relationship with Lindsey. Because he is a great artist. Got it.

Your extrapolation of my comment is neither accurate nor fair. My hesitation about considering Lindsey an abuser of Stevie has nothing to do with his artistry. In fact, many great artists have turned out to be awful human beings in so many ways (Wagner comes to mind). My concern about these claims is that Stevie herself has never claimed that Lindsey abused her. There is the Australian concert where he might have tried to kick her on stage and the notorious 1987 breakup at Christine’s house. And even then neither incident has been clearly and reliably reported.

Should Stevie actually come forward and make claims, then we have another matter on hand—and even then we would not take the claim lightly or casually. This doesn’t mean we would refuse to believe her but that the claim would need to be balanced with corroborating testimony, if available, and weighed against his comments, too. It’s called due process. So don’t try to put words in my mouth.

AncientQueen 07-07-2018 10:59 AM

I don't doubt that Lindsey has been an abusive asshole towards his former girlfriends. That did cost him, his image has been tarnished for decades.

But that has never kept Stevie, Mick, John or Christine from making music with him, cashing their checks and enjoy their stardom. That also did not keep Stevie from decades of slow dancing, stage romance and sad eyes interviews about how much she loved him. Also, where were the fans protesting him during concerts, who boycotted the band? I certainly did not, while I have my problems with his character, he has won me over again and again by being one hell of an musician, a great entertainer and a powerstation onstage.

But now that the band is heaviliy criticized for firing him, this is suddenly a thing for the band and for the FM fans? GMAFB.

It does also not mean that he has been unable to change, to become a better man, mellow out and be a good husband and father.

gldstwmn 07-07-2018 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWildHeart67 (Post 1232242)
Didn't this book come out a while ago? I wonder why Fox news is talking about it now?

I was thinking the same thing. Plus that book was so full of inaccuracies. I haven't even read it.

gldstwmn 07-07-2018 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by sodascouts (Post 1232248)
It ticks me off that this Davis guy can regurgitate a bunch of interviews others have done, get half his facts wrong, and still make money off of Stevie... while the gullible public eats it up. They also believe everything they read because hey, it wouldn't get published in a book if it weren't true!

So many people actually believe Stevie wrote this herself, or at least was interviewed extensively for it, simply because it has her picture on it and says "biography."

Nope. That would be an AUTObiography, folks. And this is not one. This is crap.

Thanks for the incisive reporting that lends credence to it, foxnews!

I don't understand why Stephen Davis is held in high regard as a writer. After this it makes me question his past works including Hammer of the Gods which was supposed to be a high water mark for him.

gldstwmn 07-07-2018 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by dreamsunwind (Post 1232250)
Stevie has never "reported" that Lindsey abused her (unless you're talking about the Tusk thing and Tango incident). We don't know what happened or didn't happen all those years ago but that she reported anything is completely untrue. I think a lot of people who aren't as familiar with Stevie/FM think that this book is a legit biography of Stevie which is why it pops up in the news every now and then. I actually got curious by all the terrible reviews that some fans gave the book so I skimmed through it myself and it really is pretty bad. Tons of inaccurate info, a lot of stories and things seemingly just pulled out of thin air, actual facts that are clearly checkable completely wrong and whatnot. Stevie never even spoke to the writer and I highly doubt anyone close to her did either and just "requested anonymity". This same writer also wrote a Carly Simon bio and he said he was a friend of Carly and she acknowledged that she knew him but she was FURIOUS about the book and denounced it and denounced the things he tried to portray in it and said she has never spoken to him about it and it wasn't authorized and all that. So in general I wouldn't give this book/writer too much attention.

He really should be ashamed of himself. This is a guy who has access and could write some compelling stories. Instead he's a hack. :shrug:

gldstwmn 07-07-2018 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by dreamsunwind (Post 1232293)
When I skimmed through it I remember reading some tall tale that said Stevie had specific requests to not have African American limo drivers.

That is insane. Where was he even trying to go with that? She's the last person who would ever be accused of that.

mitzo 07-07-2018 11:48 AM

Stevie does not have to state that she was abused, her song lyrics and behaviors do it.

gldstwmn 07-07-2018 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1232298)
The book was trash. This news story not substantiated. However, given the timing of its release coinciding with the band’s attempt to reboot, I wouldn’t be surprised if the story wasn’t encouraged by Stevie or Mick.

There’s little doubt of Lindsey’s abrasiveness, and of his occasionally being a class-A jerk. But claims of abuse should never be taken lightly or casually accepted as truth. I have yet to read any unquestionably reliable source confirming this—including Carol Ann Harris.

It's in her book and I know that I'm in the minority here but it's quite good.

gldstwmn 07-07-2018 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by mitzo (Post 1232326)
There is a million tons of recent news and academic and legal research that make it seem that well, yes, claims of abuse by the abused need to be taken seriously and accepted as truth.


Stevie did not survive an abusive relationship with Lindsey. Because he is a great artist. Got it.

:lol::lol::lol: Talented people are saintly yo.

aleuzzi 07-07-2018 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn (Post 1232343)
It's in her book and I know that I'm in the minority here but it's quite good.

Her—you mean Carol Anne Harris? It’s an entertaining read and I believe there is some truth to it. But Stevie has never made direct claims for herself.

aleuzzi 07-07-2018 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn (Post 1232345)
:lol::lol::lol: Talented people are saintly yo.

No one in this thread has said or implied this except you and Mitzo.

lilyfee 07-07-2018 12:23 PM

I wouldn't doubt that Lindsey was abusive however I would need to hear it from Stevie or someone actually close to her before I believe it. This book just rehashes interviews that have been accessible in the public domain for years. I think it's well-documented that Lindsey could be condescending towards Stevie, and undoubtedly nasty at times, but that is hardly the salacious abusive relationship that this author is trying to promote. I'm annoyed that so many news outlets are rehashing the author's twisted conclusions as news.

John Run 07-07-2018 12:43 PM

Are we going to do this again? The 3 Stevie sycophants are going to drive this into the ground, kick it back out to Pluto, and then circle infinity and beyond to prove their point- Lindsey is fire breathing Satan himself and Stevie is a beautiful child of angelic divinity. All the while the 3 Lindseysciples will claim every negative word ever uttered is part of a secret plot to leave Lindsey as a lonely popper in a Bulgarian prison.

Fact - The abuse claims about Lindsey are from 35-40 plus years ago. He has clearly taken positive steps to create a life built on the foundation of love for and from his family. Fact - Stevie was a drug riddled addict 30 years ago and took the positive steps to recognize the damage her addiction did to those she loves and found a love for herself to rise above her years of addiction and now leads a productive, positive life based on her terms. Fact - Fleetwood Mac is a business and the majority of the stakeholders decided to change the direction of the business.

I personally hate the new direction, but they had every right to do it. Ultimately, it will be judged by the quality of the product and its profitability.

These personal attacks on each of them by people here who quite frankly know ZERO about what went down 3 months ago, let alone 30 years ago, are nothing more than the rantings of the mob who are amused by engaging in the use of poisonous words, without any real knowledge, to personally destruct those they believe harmed their icon.

TheWildHeart67 07-07-2018 01:17 PM

Quote:

Are we going to do this again? The 3 Stevie sycophants are going to drive this into the ground, kick it back out to Pluto, and then circle infinity and beyond to prove their point- Lindsey is fire breathing Satan himself and Stevie is a beautiful child of angelic divinity. All the while the 3 Lindseysciples will claim every negative word ever uttered is part of a secret plot to leave Lindsey as a lonely popper in a Bulgarian prison.

Fact - The abuse claims about Lindsey are from 35-40 plus years ago. He has clearly taken positive steps to create a life built on the foundation of love for and from his family. Fact - Stevie was a drug riddled addict 30 years ago and took the positive steps to recognize the damage her addiction did to those she loves and found a love for herself to rise above her years of addiction and now leads a productive, positive life based on her terms. Fact - Fleetwood Mac is a business and the majority of the stakeholders decided to change the direction of the business.

I personally hate the new direction, but they had every right to do it. Ultimately, it will be judged by the quality of the product and its profitability.

These personal attacks on each of them by people here who quite frankly know ZERO about what went down 3 months ago, let alone 30 years ago, are nothing more than the rantings of the mob who are amused by engaging in the use of poisonous words, without any real knowledge, to personally destruct those they believe harmed their icon.
John Run,
that is the most intelligent, and unbiased reply to this topic, I've ever read on the Ledge.
Finally, some sanity.

dreamsunwind 07-07-2018 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn (Post 1232339)
That is insane. Where was he even trying to go with that? She's the last person who would ever be accused of that.

It was just very casually mentioned and then not discussed again which shows you how the book is ridiculous and you can tell by all the interviews he gave promoting it that he's not legit. He was going for the attention-grabby things. From what I read, his book on Carly had similar issues. No new information and things that were 'new' were made up stories that he put under the umbrella of having come from sources that didn't want to be named. Carly denounced the book. But probably a lot of people that don't know that and don't know much about Stevie will see the book and read it thinking it's legit.

gldstwmn 07-07-2018 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Run (Post 1232350)
Are we going to do this again? The 3 Stevie sycophants are going to drive this into the ground, kick it back out to Pluto, and then circle infinity and beyond to prove their point- Lindsey is fire breathing Satan himself and Stevie is a beautiful child of angelic divinity. All the while the 3 Lindseysciples will claim every negative word ever uttered is part of a secret plot to leave Lindsey as a lonely popper in a Bulgarian prison.

Fact - The abuse claims about Lindsey are from 35-40 plus years ago. He has clearly taken positive steps to create a life built on the foundation of love for and from his family. Fact - Stevie was a drug riddled addict 30 years ago and took the positive steps to recognize the damage her addiction did to those she loves and found a love for herself to rise above her years of addiction and now leads a productive, positive life based on her terms. Fact - Fleetwood Mac is a business and the majority of the stakeholders decided to change the direction of the business.

I personally hate the new direction, but they had every right to do it. Ultimately, it will be judged by the quality of the product and its profitability.

These personal attacks on each of them by people here who quite frankly know ZERO about what went down 3 months ago, let alone 30 years ago, are nothing more than the rantings of the mob who are amused by engaging in the use of poisonous words, without any real knowledge, to personally destruct those they believe harmed their icon.

If anyone's driving something into the ground it ain't the three of us. :laugh:

iamnotafraid 07-08-2018 04:32 AM

Sometimes I think it's Lindsey who
survived the abusive relationship.

sands of time 07-08-2018 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by iamnotafraid (Post 1232378)
Sometimes I think it's Lindsey who
survived the abusive relationship.

Lindsey and the fans.

gldstwmn 07-08-2018 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by iamnotafraid (Post 1232378)
Sometimes I think it's Lindsey who
survived the abusive relationship.

Oh please. :rolleyes:

button-lip 07-08-2018 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by iamnotafraid (Post 1232378)
Sometimes I think it's Lindsey who
survived the abusive relationship.

He survived the stalking part, that’s for sure.

iamnotafraid 07-08-2018 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn (Post 1232387)
Oh please. :rolleyes:

And you were there when Stevie was being abused?

Let us know what really happened will you please?

HomerMcvie 07-08-2018 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn (Post 1232387)
Oh please. :rolleyes:

Because the woman is ALWAYS the victim. You're the President of Misandry, if ever there was one.

Doesn't your back hurt, from dragging that damned thing around...? (that cross)

fleetwoodguy79 07-09-2018 10:52 AM

I felt compelled to finally comment.

I’ve been mostly an observer over the past few months here.

I find it fascinating that all of the back and forth, drama, selfishness, misplaced loyalties, rumors, and speculation on this forum is a pure reflection on this band, and of us. What otherwise would draw us into this so passionately?

Carry on...

TheWildHeart67 07-10-2018 06:56 PM

https://www.iheart.com/content/2018-...ys-biographer/
Now iHeartRadio is running another version of the story.

dreamsunwind 07-10-2018 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWildHeart67 (Post 1232441)
https://www.iheart.com/content/2018-...ys-biographer/
Now iHeartRadio is running another version of the story.

Wow lol. Clickbait sure gets around.


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