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I'm confused, shouldn't some of these posts be moderated according to the rules and guidelines of the Ledge. I'm often baffled as to how it's allowed to continue, as there are so many posts that are inflammatory and seem to only have the intent of provoking other readers. And now hateful sexist remarks are ok? :confused:
From the FAQ - If all you have to add are harrassing, insulting, taunting, nasty remarks or name-calling, you'll be asked to go somewhere else. Taunting is defined as "aggravation by deriding, mocking, criticizing or carping". • Any statement that defames, abuses or threatens others • Derogatory statements that could be construed as bigoted, hateful or racially offensive or comments defaming sexual orientation • In expressing your devotion to one member of Fleetwood Mac, please try to avoid belittling the accomplishments of the others. Surely some of these posts could be regarded as trolling? a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3] often for the troll's amusement. |
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How typical. For years, Lindsey was targeted by the Stevie fans, who blamed him for everything. They would always get their digs in and make fun of him. Now their queen has exposed herself, and she is getting targeted. Fake outrage to shut people up. No rules were broken. You just don't want to hear opinions that aren't like yours. |
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As has been said, there is absolutely nothing wrong with expressing displeasure at band members and having disagreements. If you want to target Stevie that's up to you. However there is a line to be drawn regarding what is or is not acceptable. Espousing burning Stevie is unacceptable in my view. You may not actually mean that you would like to see her burned to death but that is essentially what you are suggesting. It is a crime to advocate murdering somebody so I'd say rules are being broken. All this because she's decided she doesn't wish to record an album with your favourite band. Put things into some context- if her actions are enough to solicit such feelings in you then that's really quite disturbing- perhaps some inward reflection is warranted. As is always the case, its easy to sit there at your computer and type sh!t you'd never say directly to somebody in person. By the way, I'm not familiar with the term 'snowflake'. It does however feel as if it has implied homophobic undertones. Perhaps I'm taking it in the wrong way though. |
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I wasn't on this board at that time, so I don't have any experience of that particular Lindsey bashing. You have reacted very strongly to what I thought was a straight forward post. Believe me, it's definitely not fake outrage. I've honestly seen numerous posts within the last year that I don't believe comply with the rules of this board, and don't make it a very welcoming place to be, and I'm enquiring about that. No one is asking anyone to shut up. And if snowflake is supposed to be an insult towards me that's fine - I happen to love snow, and snowflakes are beautiful in my world :) |
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The last is a more grey area and in fact it's assembled more as an advice than a rule. In those cases it's hard to draw a line between what constitutes a violation and what doesn't, and there's a fine line between preserving the peace and overmoderating too. Generally the politics of this board tries to leave to members the most freedom of expression possible because it's best to exceed on the side of freedom than on the side of constraint. |
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I'm not too sure what "snowflake" means these days..
But it's origin goes back to 1860..and was a term used for someone who was against the abolition of slavery... |
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Apparently, it's also used on this board as a term for anyone who calls 'fans' out on their Stevie bashing. It's just another way to be nasty. :mad: |
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thanks Lulu. |
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Thanks for the explanation sisternightroad, I'm sure it can be a difficult task deciding when posts have stepped over the line, and I understand you don't want to overmoderate. I guess we'll just have to all keep arguing then :shrug:;) And thanks for all the explanations of the term "snowflakes". I had some idea of it's recent usage. Snowflakes really are beautiful though - I've just been looking on google images (no images of sensitive young adults on there) . We rarely get snow here, so when it does fall it's a magical event. |
If anyone with an interest in basic human decency is considered a 'snowflake' then...
...let it snow, let it snow, let it snow |
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I know we are going a bit off-topic here (although it makes a change from the Stevie bashing....)
I watched a great TED talk the other day on highly sensitive people - for anyone interested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi4JOlMSWjo It kind of turns the whole derogatory, overly sensitive snowflake thing, on its head. |
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It is absolutely laughable to call Nicks fans snowflakes with the way this Board has been for the last several months. The insults toward her (while allowable because she's a celebrity, not a Board member, yada yada yada) have become ubiquitous. Even if you don't like Stevie, I can't believe people don't find it tedious to have the same insults repeated over and over ad nauseam, or to have these comments shoe-horned into topics that otherwise have nothing to do with her, or to have threads started for the sole purpose of keeping all this negativity going. It's also hard to believe none of this is seen as baiting her fans, which I believe IS against the rules.
Which brings me back to my main point. You have to be pretty tough to be a Stevie fan around here; any snowflakes have long since abandoned the Ledge. What I would like some of the non-SN fans to think about is how well they would tolerate this level of trash talk if it was directed at another band member. Do we seriously think the die-hard CM and LB fans (and we all know who they are) could put up with a daily barrage of attacks saying their favorite member should rot or burn? |
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if you are seriously interested in answers to your questions, all you have to do is look at the posts over the last 5-10 years on The Ledge. |
Exactly. You are free to say whatever you want about any member. I personally couldn't care less. You're 100% free to have any opinion you want, regardless of my mindset on that opinion.
Vote the way you want. Feel the way you want. Express yourself the way you want. I couldn't care less! It's YOUR right to have your own beliefs, and you don't need our approval. And visa versa. Have a good day! |
now rot or burn stuff is way over the top if thought through literally and i don't like it one bit, even if said in pun.
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I personally don't want a worship type board.... I read all the opinions and most of you guys are funny as hell... lighten up folks.. it's music.. |
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I love being called a snowflake - especially when it's delivered from an uneducated / white trash Trump supporter.
But in this forum, with regard to Fleetwood Mac, or any other music -- I don't get it. Fox News has seeped into all of our lives, unfortunately. |
Yeah, not a fan of political talking points on here, like "fake news" or "snowflakes" that have seeped into this board, or even "dick" which is wrong on all levels unless talking to a guy named Richard.
As for things said about band members, they're pros at being in the spotlight, which has its downside. If you think Stevie is taking a beating now, you should have seen what Stevie fans said about Bekka back in the "Time" days (i.e. THAT hussy). Stevie made a big deal for years about how there couldn't be a new album because it didn't work without Christine, even offering her $5 million to come back (in the same way I'd offer Northwestern $5 million if they won the Big Ten in football), but was MIA in the studio when Christine actually came back. Stevie did this to herself. |
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As I also stated clearly to you yesterday I'm not trying to shut anyone up. I'm just having my opinion, as anyone else on here. I don't understand why that is bothering you so much. I know you won't shut up and I won't either. |
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Same for wishing a person would burn in hell....again it's your opinion, you are allowed one, but why say such a thing. I don't get it, I live in a far away country where maybe we communicate more politely, maybe I am naive and assume people should really talk about others with kindness and respect and how they would like to be spoken about by other people. I don't understand what someone's underline motivation is to bait, troll and goad others. Anyways, back on topic. I really wish Stevie would come back and create new music with FM. It is a shame. But I can't see it ever happening. I also wish we could find out the honest to truth reason why she doesn't want to....is it lack of creativity, it takes too long, because it won't sell, she can't bear time recording with Lindsey....what is the real truth or reason Stevie? |
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I actually have a few days off and the time to respond on here. Usually I wouldn't be engaging with the arguments. Ok, it's a lovely sunny day here, I'm going back to my gardening. |
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GEneral Election in June.!!!!!! MY dishwasher just went BANG.!!!!! But Ken just played Buckingham Mcvie and the sun is out. WHo gives a toss, enjoy the sun .. |
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These organic things go in cycles. |
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She is a goddess, and farts fairy dust! :lol: If you can't handle an opinion other than your own(and that's my own personal definition of snowflake,btw),you should probably stay off the internets! |
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