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dontlookdown 11-20-2005 06:56 PM

is it just me or was In The Meantime really
 
mediocre?

I can't figure it out, but I expected much more for this record...

SteveMacD 11-20-2005 07:52 PM

It's okay for me. I haven't listened to it enough, but I just don't seem to be able to get into it. I've been too busy listening to boots that have been posted on the net.

dissention 11-20-2005 08:13 PM

It's dull, light mallpop. Something one would likely hear while browsing the travel section at Waldenbooks. Half of the album is great fun, while the other half just gives off the impression that she shouldn't have bothered. It's inoffensive enough, but a whole album of it is just too damned much.

jbrownsjr 11-20-2005 08:19 PM

i really like it

i wish she would do more blues, but i never get what i want :shrug:

GypsySorcerer 11-20-2005 08:48 PM

The production is incredibly bland; the middle tracks are especially filler. I don't listen to it very often. But she sounds great.

golden braid 11-20-2005 10:05 PM

I really don't like it except for a few songs. I enjoy all of her FM songs and her 1984 solo album but In The Meantime is just too dull and bland for me.

Miss Vicky 11-20-2005 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dontlookdown
mediocre?

I can't figure it out, but I expected much more for this record...

Probably. Though I can't say for sure because I only listened to it once, which was the day it arrived in the mail.

Haven't had any desire to give it a second spin.

jbrownsjr 11-21-2005 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden
Well y'all proved me wrong.

that's cos we love u:o

Gailh 11-21-2005 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dontlookdown
mediocre?

I can't figure it out, but I expected much more for this record...

I think this is a question of expectations.

I expected typical Christine pop/rock for grown ups and that's what I got. The bonus was the voice which to me sounds better than ever.

I have to admit I had to listen to it a couple of times before I really started to like it. For Christine I was prepared to make the effort.

On the other hand I have only listened to Stevie's Trouble in Shangri La once because there wasn't enough in it to make me put it on again. For Stevie I wasn't prepared to make the effort.

As for Mick and John I didn't even buy the albums!

I still play ITM although not as much as I used to. I think it's a very honest piece of work and I like it more than her 1984 solo album.

Gail

ontheEdgeof17 11-21-2005 09:46 AM

I like the first 3 or 4 songs.....then......:cool:

GypsySongbird 11-21-2005 12:03 PM

i love it, its obviously not her best work, although i do think you are and friend are really really good! but i still love it, although i agree i would have preffered some blues stuff & i prefer her 80s album

HomerMcvie 11-21-2005 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gailh
I think this is a question of expectations.

I expected typical Christine pop/rock for grown ups and that's what I got. The bonus was the voice which to me sounds better than ever.

I have to admit I had to listen to it a couple of times before I really started to like it. For Christine I was prepared to make the effort.

On the other hand I have only listened to Stevie's Trouble in Shangri La once because there wasn't enough in it to make me put it on again. For Stevie I wasn't prepared to make the effort.

As for Mick and John I didn't even buy the albums!

I still play ITM although not as much as I used to. I think it's a very honest piece of work and I like it more than her 1984 solo album.

Gail

What you said.:nod: :nod: Cept Stevie lost me earlier, on OSOTM. I LITERALLY(once even a huge fan) played it one time.


Still, imagine ITM's best 5 or 6 songs on SYW!:woohoo: THAT would've been an album I could've really gotten into!

dissention 11-21-2005 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie
What you said.:nod: :nod: Cept Stevie lost me earlier, on OSOTM. I LITERALLY(once even a huge fan) played it one time.

I find it absolutely divine that it's the Christine fans on the Christine board who feel the need to bring up Nicks all the time.

HomerMcvie 11-21-2005 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
I find it absolutely divine that it's the Christine fans on the Christine board who feel the need to bring up Nicks all the time.

I didn't bring it up, but I'll accept your claim of divinity.:shrug: :D :shrug:

DavidMn 11-21-2005 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie
I didn't bring it up, but I'll accept your claim of divinity.:shrug: :D :shrug:

Tsk tsk. I'm dissapointed that it took you over 12 hours to respond in this thread.:lol:

Gailh 11-21-2005 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie
What you said.:nod: :nod: Cept Stevie lost me earlier, on OSOTM. I LITERALLY(once even a huge fan) played it one time.


Still, imagine ITM's best 5 or 6 songs on SYW!:woohoo: THAT would've been an album I could've really gotten into!

Ah yes! That would have been worth a listen! Sigh

Gail

Gailh 11-21-2005 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
I find it absolutely divine that it's the Christine fans on the Christine board who feel the need to bring up Nicks all the time.

Ermm. Sorry can we not say her name?

I believe I also mentioned the M word and the J word. Is that also divine?

Gail

goldustsongbird 11-21-2005 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dontlookdown
mediocre?

I can't figure it out, but I expected much more for this record...

Yeah. I have to admit, I don't think she really flies as a solo artist. I love her and her voice to bits, but as a reviewer put it, she works best as a 'side dish' than a main course. Or something to that effect. LOL. It's not that her solo work is BAD... I adore her Christine Perfect stuff, actually, and both the '84 album and ITM have good songs on it, but I don't think those last two are full, solid records. The jazz stuff, however? Rocks. I'm not even a big fan of that kind of music.

The best songs on ITM are Calumny and Friend. Those are my two favourites, along with Anything is Possible. Reminds me of something from the Mac days. Bad Journey is just... a bad song. :eek: The rest is kind of "eh". I wrote up an entire review during the summer. It's sitting in a notebook in my drawer. :shrug:

Richard B 11-21-2005 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dontlookdown
mediocre?

I can't figure it out, but I expected much more for this record...

Christine is mellow, MOR, AC. All three of her solo albums are like this. Yes, even the Perfect album has its boring songs and that's an album where she didn't practically write everything as in her later solo albums.

ITM is nice and mellow. Period. It never intended to break new ground and is nothing short of a cute little pet project with her nephew.

goldustsongbird 11-21-2005 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden
I agree with you. I think that's just an awful song; I don't know what people see in it. But I think there are some other great tracks on there besides the ones you mentioned. I think "Forgiveness" is one of the best, but that one seems to get mixed reviews.

I love "Sweet Revenge" too, but I find myself wondering what "wicked ways" she intends to use to get her sweet revenge, exactly. So ominous and ambiguous. It's like Meatloaf. Just what is it that you won't do for love, man? You're so adamantly against it so what the hell is it??? :laugh:


Oh, yeah, I like Sweet Revenge. I was just singing that one last night.
Everyone seems to love You Are, and it got some radio play in the UK, but it's not really a favourite of mine. The random high notes kind of... eh. Don't really grab me. Forgiveness is okay. I also like So Sincere... more the lyrics than the song itself. :shrug: It's a little cryptic. Reminds me of something you know who would've written, with the "Funny little white car with the broken light".

I think Northern Star could've been a great song, if it had been arranged properly.

If you go back a bit in my LJ, you'll find the post where I talked a bit about each of the songs. :wavey: It's not a proper review, but it's basically my first impressions of them, since I posted it the day I bought it.

GypsySongbird 11-21-2005 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by goldustsongbird
I think Northern Star could've been a great song, if it had been arranged properly.

oh yea, and i love northern star, & calumny especially

Dreammms 11-21-2005 06:00 PM

I can't really get into it but I do think her voice still sounds amazing.

Serrart 11-21-2005 06:03 PM

It's not mediocre at all for me. I like most of the songs, even if a couple seem composed on the autopilot. I agree, the production damaged the album. To sound homemade could work for grunge (if it still exists) but not for a sophisticated lady like her, IMO.

Romy

goldustsongbird 11-21-2005 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GypsySongbird
oh yea, and i love northern star, & calumny especially

Calumny is my favourite, actually! I don't know if it's just me, but I tend to visualize voices... In terms of textures, and shapes, and stuff. I know, I'm insane. But there's a part where her voice sounds round, when she sings the word "soft" in the "oh, so soft and sweet" bit. It's just something in her voice that really gets to me. Same with Songbird, when she goes, "I wish it from myself". Chills.
;)

goldustsongbird 11-21-2005 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden
I'm fond of "Northern Star," though I do think it would've benefitted from better/different production. My beef with "You Are" is how cheesy it is, but I find it very listenable regardless. Some of the lyrics in "So Sincere" really bother me. Not a bad song, though. Anyway...

it is a bit cheesy... Therefore, radio friendly.:laugh: I kid.

goldustsongbird 11-21-2005 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Serrart
It's not mediocre at all for me. I like most of the songs, even if a couple seem composed on the autopilot. I agree, the production damaged the album. To sound homemade could work for grunge (if it still exists) but not for a sophisticated lady like her, IMO.

Romy

I think there are only a few songs that sound very polished. Calumny, Northern Star, and Friend spring to mind.

In terms of lyrics, I think some of them border on being overly cheesy... But then again, I have to say, most of her songs do. I don't think she'd object to that statement either, as she's said she's a "pretty basic songwriter". And she is. She's never been very prolific, with the exception of songs like Songbird, and Show Me a Smile. I think, though her songs are very simple (a style that I believe comes from her background in jazz), it's her delivery that really makes them what they are. Some songs just have to be sung by the right person.

aleuzzi 11-21-2005 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dontlookdown
mediocre?

I can't figure it out, but I expected much more for this record...

I've heard others say something like this and I just don't understand it. It rocked, grooved, kicked, swayed, cruised, simmered, burned, and cooked. There weren't any piano ballads on it, but the record had a lot to offer. Why couldn't more people see this?

GypsySongbird 11-21-2005 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi
I've heard others say something like this and I just don't understand it. It rocked, grooved, kicked, swayed, cruised, simmered, burned, and cooked. There weren't any piano ballads on it, but the record had a lot to offer. Why couldn't more people see this?

i see it!!! although, that is quite a few things to see!

aleuzzi 11-21-2005 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
It's dull, light mallpop. Something one would likely hear while browsing the travel section at Waldenbooks. Half of the album is great fun, while the other half just gives off the impression that she shouldn't have bothered. It's inoffensive enough, but a whole album of it is just too damned much.



If half of any album is great, I'd say it was justified...

goldustsongbird 11-21-2005 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi
There weren't any piano ballads on it, but the record had a lot to offer. Why couldn't more people see this?

That was what I noticed first: No piano! Calumny was the only song with piano, right? I think that is what people expect from her, since the piano is what she is associated with. Hey, that's what I was expecting from her, too. :shrug: I don't think this is a terrible album, but nothing to get totally excited about... I guess it all comes down to personal taste.

GypsySongbird 11-21-2005 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by goldustsongbird
That was what I noticed first: No piano! Calumny was the only song with piano, right? I think that is what people expect from her, since the piano is what she is associated with. Hey, that's what I was expecting from her, too. :shrug: I don't think this is a terrible album, but nothing to get totally excited about... I guess it all comes down to personal taste.

maybe she didnt want to do what was totally expected from her? although its still all very christiney, calumny is probably the closest, i think

goldustsongbird 11-21-2005 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GypsySongbird
maybe she didnt want to do what was totally expected from her? although its still all very christiney, calumny is probably the closest, i think

Hmm... Yeah, that could've been it. Christine doesn't really seem like the type of person to venture out of the little style she's carved out for herself, but you never know. :thumbsup: She does have a fun, spunky side that she shows more on the Legendary Christine Perfect and some of the songs from the self-titled album. Maybe that's what she was going for here? If that's the case, I think she might've done better by balancing it out a bit more with some lovely piano ballads like Calumny, since, like I said, that's what people recognize as her prime talent.

Serrart 11-21-2005 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by goldustsongbird
I think there are only a few songs that sound very polished. Calumny, Northern Star, and Friend spring to mind.

Definitely. I intended homemade more as repetitive and uninspired, done by a not very skilled producer. Acoustic friend, for example was much more poignant, IMO.

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Originally Posted by goldustsongbird
In terms of lyrics, I think some of them border on being overly cheesy... But then again, I have to say, most of her songs do. I don't think she'd object to that statement either, as she's said she's a "pretty basic songwriter". And she is. She's never been very prolific, with the exception of songs like Songbird, and Show Me a Smile. I think, though her songs are very simple (a style that I believe comes from her background in jazz), it's her delivery that really makes them what they are. Some songs just have to be sung by the right person.

I love her songwriting and simple style, but with some great songs (I return to Friend that's one of my all time favourite of hers or Calumny, Sweet Revenge, Bad Journey, You Are) there were some fillers.

Romy

goldustsongbird 11-21-2005 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Serrart
Definitely. I intended homemade more as repetitive and uninspired, done by a not very skilled producer. Acoustic friend, for example was much more poignant, IMO.



I love her songwriting and simple style, but with some great songs (I return to Friend that's one of my all time favourite of hers or Calumny, Sweet Revenge, Bad Journey, You Are) there were some fillers.

Romy

Bad Journey? :eek: It doesn't sit well with me. Sounds like she's trying too hard to return to her roots, with that faux-jazz. I liked the acoustic version of Friend. :wavey: The album version is good, too. I really enjoy the song itself. Calumny is the standout track for me. I could listen to that one forever!

macfan 57 11-21-2005 07:17 PM

I wasn't going to comment on this thread since it was started by a person who doesn't care for Christine McVie anyway. But a few of the die-hard Christine fans have posted, so I will too. I like all three of her solo albums, but In The Meantime is my favorite. I LOVE it! There is a comfort, an intimacy to it that I love. The production is a bit simplistic. So what? There is such a thing as being over-produced, too. That can turn me off. She is a simple, basic love song writer...no pretense or crap. That's what she did here. That's what I was expecting. What I didn't expect was how fantastic her voice still is. It's better now than it was 20-30 years ago, which is ridiculous. Nobody's voice gets better as they age. Her voice is the focal point of the album, in my opinion.

By the way, Christine is not a solo artist. She would be the first to say this. She made her first album because her then manager pushed her into it. She made her 1984 album & ITM purely for fun. It's that simple.

goldustsongbird 11-21-2005 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by macfan 57
What I didn't expect was how fantastic her voice still is. It's better now than it was 20-30 years ago, which is ridiculous. Nobody's voice gets better as they age. Her voice is the focal point of the album, in my opinion.

Everything else aside, I totally agree: her voice is beautiful. I've likened it to a fine wine... Much like Chris herself. She sounds great.

There is such a thing as over-produced, but there's also the flipside: being underproduced. Not that ITM was, I just think it could use a bit of tweaking here and there. In the little review I wrote down, I summed it up as an album to listen to on a rainy day, since it is a *cozy* sort of album.

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She made her first album because her then manager pushed her into it. She made her 1984 album & ITM purely for fun. It's that simple.
Well... Don't assume that everyone knew those facts about how the albums came to be. I didn't even know that was the reasons why she did the Christine Perfect and the '84 records. ITM, I knew was something she said was "totally unexpected".

FWIW I don't even recognize the person who started this topic, so I had no idea whether or not they were a McVie fan.

SteveMacD 11-21-2005 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Gailh
As for Mick and John I didn't even buy the albums!

That's too bad. "The Visitor," "I'm Not Me," and "Gotta Band" were actually quite good. They're definately among my favorite solo projects.

Admittedly, "Shakin' The Cage" hasn't aged so well, and I really haven't listened to "Something Big" much. For that matter, I really haven't listened to too much of the newer stuff (TISL, SYW, ITM, "Something Big") as much as the older stuff. I'm getting lazy.

dissention 11-21-2005 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by macfan 57
I wasn't going to comment on this thread since it was started by a person who doesn't care for Christine McVie anyway.

Soooooo, the opinions held by the person who started this thread are somehow less valid than the opinions held by the fans who actively participate in this forum? My word, even the horse I ride upon isn't that high.

jbrownsjr 11-22-2005 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dissention
Soooooo, the opinions held by the person who started this thread are somehow less valid than the opinions held by the fans who actively participate in this forum? My word, even the horse I ride upon isn't that high.

you made kishka out of your horse :lol:

HomerMcvie 11-22-2005 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by dissention
Soooooo, the opinions held by the person who started this thread are somehow less valid than the opinions held by the fans who actively participate in this forum? My word, even the horse I ride upon isn't that high.

I don't intend to speak for Macfan57, but, to me(and it's only my guess as to what she was inferring), that lately, a few of the NON-regulars are coming here looking for an argument/bashing. I, for one, am not interested.

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