Double standards (2nd try)
 

No solo on Gypsy…


“And Then…”



“How dare they play The Chain and having broken it...” Yeah, because Lindsey didn’t do it on his first solo tour after HE broke The Chain (8:25)



“There wasn’t the fire between Neil and Stevie…”

And there isn’t going to be. Pretty unrealistic to expect her to have any chemistry with someone she hardly knows compared with her ex she’s known since she was a teenager. Stevie and Rick really didn’t have any chemistry at first.

Mick and John sounded fine, Neil was on pitch, Mike rocked out when he needed to (though was the shakiest performance). Christine looked great, although got lost in the mix. Not going to say anything about Stevie other than it was a standard performance.

Stevie also performed The Chain at the House of Blues in '91 after she had also bailed on the band.:shrug: Neither she nor Lindsey were fired then .They had left by their own choice as did Christine in '98. The Chain on Ellen was not terrible . Stevie looking ,pointing and squinting at Neil was terrible or at the very least absurd. Gypsy was pretty bad and that is mostly due to Stevie's vocal performance . I was a fan of the Rumours band in the 1970s and Stevie in her solo prime in real time and remain a fan of the great music produced during those years. However If this is the current state of her voice then she should retire.

So, Lindsey and Stevie can effectively fire the band (or break the chain), but the band can’t fire them?

There is something seriously wrong with you.

If you don't get the difference between someone leaving a band on their own accord and getting fired in the twilight years from a band that you were largely responsible for the commercial and artistic success of then there is probably no way that It can be explained.

On a side note
 

Lindsey performing The Chain solo vs Stevie performing it solo or even the post-Tango FM iterations performing it are different kettles of fish.

The music and lyrics of that song as we know it is something like 65% Lindsey, 25% Christine and John, and 10% Stevie.

But anyway, the "band" giving Lindsey the boot 20 years after the Dance reunion and at this advanced stage of their lives and legacies and then electing to introduce their new lineup with The Chain was symbolically abominable and creatively deceptive.

Not to mention the choice of performing Gypsy..perhaps the ultimate example of a pretty ordinary Stevie song transformed into something magical by Lindsey's studio handiwork.

I like this.

Yes there is. I appreciate consistency.

Probably not. I don’t get why it was okay for Lindsey to reach his breaking point with them in 1987 for whatever reason, but they’re forbidden from reaching their own breaking point with him because of subsequent history.

Why?

Didn’t get the cheat sheet. I’m sure Mick would have something to say about that split.


I agree that a new lineup at this point is ridiculous, but so was Lindsey quitting in the first place. As was calling a Fleetwood Mac album something else.

For the reason I stated in the subsequent paragraph.
Context does not seem to be your greatest strength as far as the topic of this thread goes.

Come on, be fair--you have at least quadruple my FM knowledge, so you must know I'm roughly in the right ballpark as far as The Chain contribution breakdown goes.

Attend the DownOnRodeo VIP Experience on the sidelines of Lindsey's concert in Birmingham in November and I will personally hand you a Signature Cheat Sheet with my scientifically proven mathematical breakdowns of contributions to each song (percentages rounded to the nearest whole integer) as well as a hand-crafted dossier explaining in multiple languages that the events of 1987 are completely different to those of 2018.

Perhaps you could pay him 660 USD to ask.
But seriously, kudos to Mick for his contributions within the ranks.

People have explained their logic as to why they believe the context is different; SteveMacD does not accept anyone's logic and repeatedly insists the context is the same.

I'm afraid this thread is achieving very little.

SteveMacD has been doubling down on his support of this **** show since the Ellen performance, almost as if to prove some kind of point, whilst I've disagreed with your opinion since April, you have been quite reasoned. However, you can't possibly think that that performance was in anyway good. Being completely objective, it was trash.

I think it's exactly what was expected out of
a group of seventy something year olds.

The only surprise was Christine looking better.
What's her secret?

Three threads to say this? oy... Someone was drinking. :laugh:

I didn't understand why people were saying Stevie was looking puffy-faced (ie some form of facial treatment), because to me it was Christine who was really inflated. Add to that the ingenious hair design that covers most of her face, and combine that with the lack of sustained close-ups (particularly compared to Stevie), and low lighting, and it's not surprise she comes out on top.

But yes, she reminded me of Carrie Bradshaw, and/but her legs behind that keyboard rack are thinner than Stevie's nasal septum (more worrying than anything).


Speaking of double standards.. let's also turn our scathing eyes to the physical appearance of the men.
- Is Neale Heywood's rugged beard a recent thing or am I just behind the times? He's channeling Clapton.
- Mike Campbell, with all his gimmicky attire, is hiding in plain sight. Who knows what he looks like.
- Neil Finn is wearing all black. Just what this Addams Family Revue needed!
- John certainly is thinner these days.

The problem is not that they fired him. The problem is the way they are continuing without him. If Lindsey had put together a new band in 1987 and called it "Fleetwood Mac," and included Debbie Gibson in the lineup singing Stevie's songs, he would have been a piece of trash. Not unlike the remaining members in 2018. If they had gone on Ellen and done "Don't Stop" and "Rhiannon," MAYBE they could have retained some dignity. But they have proven that they are either completely senile or have annihilated their collective conscience.

Her eyes sparkled and she looked so tall, elegant and slender.

$tevie looked like $he had two pads stuffed in her cheek$. And her outfit is so tired looking. At least Christine updated her Hilary Clinton suit outfits with some vertical stripes. It just enhanced her already tall slim stature.

I think it's the latter. Just ignorance. These songs have lost their meaning long ago because of all the cash grab touring.

Which is why Lindsey had the dignity to do the EP, BuckVie and was probably demanding new music on this tour to move forward, rather than go back to Peter or Bob days.

You're exactly right on everything here except on one point: it's achieving exactly what he wants. It's especially ironic since he's also the source of complaints about how people are "beating a dead horse" around here. This topic was covered ad nauseam in the Ellen thread.

Simple- because the people who said that are the ones who hate her.

Or, perhaps she was.

Right, because saying something critical automatically means you have to hate that person. :rolleyes:

And to those same people who can and will say anything they want about other members. Critical or harsh. smh... talk about a double standard. :distress:

OH spare me!

So ridiculous. I love Stevie but how this was all handled has left a very gross taste in my mouth. She clearly cannot remember the history of her own band and being critical of her does not mean one hates her (though I would agree taking aims at her looks is extremely low and irrelevant).

Regardless, if you can't see how the band performing "The Chain" on live national broadcast television was an incredibly ugly and totally disrespectful move then you deserve the mediocre, bland greatest hits karaoke show you're about to get from now until they're all gone.

I think you're underestimating Stevie's lyrical contributions to The Chain. According to an interview, LB wrote "listen to the wind blow." Most if not all of the other lyrics were hers, which you can hear on the demo version that was included in one of the Rumors reissues.

You can clearly hear The Chain in Christine's instrumental. But when it comes to lyrics. I give $tevie the best of the 3. Even when her lyrics make me laugh, I still usually like them. Bella Donna, especially.

It certainly proves the chorus is all her.



I too have heard that she wrote almost all of the other lyrics, but you can't tell that by listening to this. It has entirely different verses.

Love this demo, BTW.

The lyrics sound like her more than the other 2.

You can ride high atop your pony.

I love love love that song. And I fell deeper in love with her after that album.

Seeing Christine live had me wanting to marry her. And we know how that story goes.. :laugh:

I agree with much of what you say but I think you are quite away off the mark on this one :shocked:

Well, if you can find any post where I mocked Lindsey's appearance or any other member of FM, feel free to bring it up. No double standard here.

No, just broad, sweeping generalizations about dozens of people you've likely never met. Cool.

Thank you. What jeets said Bwboy.

If you don't see the transparency of some of your posts, I'm certainly not here to explain them to you. And nor will I get into with you. Just know that you're not invisible. But, you're certainly welcome to ride high on top your pony. I know you won't fall Bwboy..

Oh, so the people who have been calling Mick and Stevie names DON'T hate them? They still love Fleetwood Mac? Glad to hear it.

Are you excited about the new FM tour? Or about what Neil and Mike will bring to the band? Or a new FM album?

Great, let's discuss!

I get that you want to control everyone's dialogue here, but it's not gonna happen. If you don't like it, find a $tevie board to go to.

I think it's great that you want to control what everyone has to say here.

Burned any books lately?

How can you say you're a fan of Fleetwood Mac when you write the things you do about them? I mean, can you really tell me you like Fleetwood Mac now? I have no idea what you're talking about, being transparent or invisible. Nor am I trying to get into it with you. I'm not being rude, I'm not arguing, I'm not name calling.

This reminds me of a scene I saw on a tv show one time. This woman was testifying someone was angry, and the lawyer said "objection, calls for the defendant's state of mind" and the witness said "you mean I can say the defendant threw his cell phone, slammed the door on my hand, yelled at me he wanted to kill me, and pulled my hair, but I can't say he was angry?"