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melaboo 08-13-2017 07:01 AM

Aussie 60 minutes link
 
https://www.9now.com.au/60-minutes/2...9z0gl8qxo06srz

Danielle 08-13-2017 09:10 AM

Here's the full interview:


Macfan4life 08-13-2017 09:54 AM

Tremendous interview!!!! Thanks so much for posting. I love how grounded Stevie is although calling Lindsey Mr. Useless may not go over so well even though she was joking.
Stevie has talked for years about her drug use so its usually the same stuff over and over. However she really opens up about seeing herself so high in video and pictures. And she said something I have ALWAYS said about her. If you have a big show that is being filmed, why can't you lay off the coke for 2 days? But in the end its only the coke that matters.

SorcererJP 08-13-2017 11:43 AM

Loved the SDMHA-footage though ... must be from the filmed show. I hope they'll release it on DVD soon ... maybe in the fall before X-mas ...

Tango 08-13-2017 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by melaboo (Post 1215262)

Thank you for putting the link up! Thank you Danielle.

MoonSister75 08-13-2017 12:12 PM

This is wonderful! Thanks for posting :xoxo:
I love listening to both of them and the footage is great! I had to keep stopping the video and re-watching parts to appreciate it fully :)

pattyfan 08-13-2017 04:09 PM

Mr. Useless. It never ends, does it? :)
Thanks for posting.

Kevin

pryderi 08-13-2017 04:28 PM

Is it me or does it seem like the interviewer might have minored in psychology. I felt like i was in a counseling session.

bombaysaffires 08-14-2017 03:40 PM

so much in that interview. A couple of totally trivial points-- you really notice how much Stevie does have a kind of lisp here.... and, I'm glad to see she's softened her eye makeup and seems to have done away with that very harsh black shadow.

On a more serious note, wow, "Mr Useless"?? Love her but it's totally accurate to say without him she would not have had the hits she had. His arrangements on top of her writing made Rhiannon, Dreams, GDW, Gypsy, what they were. Even Petty has said he's been stumped by what to do with some of her songs and Lindsey came in and knew just what to do with them and Tom went "oh, yeah, duh why didn't I think of that" Now that has waned over the years and these days I don't think he has been the best producer of her stuff, but in the formative years, for sure. And she wouldn't have gotten into FM without him-- if he had said yes to them and left her on her own...... we can only imagine how that would have worked out.

I don't know if she's just being exaggerated to make a point, or trying to have a dry sense of humor about it, but it doesn't translate well.

Otherwise, I'm glad to see she seems happy.

I also wonder if she forgets (because she's not that connected to social media) that in today's world **** you say on the other side of the world makes it back here in a split second. In the old days an interview in Australia stayed in Australia and no one knew what you'd said. Or... maybe she just doesn't care.

sue 08-14-2017 04:12 PM

Hahaha....Mr Useless.

Maybe she's using it as a term of endearment

MoonSister75 08-14-2017 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires (Post 1215351)

I don't know if she's just being exaggerated to make a point, or trying to have a dry sense of humor about it, but it doesn't translate well.

Otherwise, I'm glad to see she seems happy.

I also wonder if she forgets (because she's not that connected to social media) that in today's world **** you say on the other side of the world makes it back here in a split second. In the old days an interview in Australia stayed in Australia and no one knew what you'd said. Or... maybe she just doesn't care.

That's how I read it - it's just Stevie and her dry sense of humour. I'm sure she knows just how quickly this will get around social media and back to Lindsey.

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Originally Posted by sue (Post 1215352)
Hahaha....Mr Useless.

Maybe she's using it as a term of endearment

Maybe he had a dig at her lately, and this is a dig back at him. Or yes possibly a term of endearment :laugh:

TylerMcCrudden 08-14-2017 04:31 PM

I need to address this already cause i've seen people already throw up their arms over this:

she didn't mention 'Mr Useless' in association with his musical ability... only that at the time when they were poor and Stevie had to work multiple jobs and he worked on the music, he worked on the music cause the only thing he wasnt useless at at the time was their music...

so pull yourselves together before you attack her for calling him that because it has nothing to do with LB musical ability

SisterNightroad 08-14-2017 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TylerMcCrudden (Post 1215354)
I need to address this already cause i've seen people already throw up their arms over this:

she didn't mention 'Mr Useless' in association with his musical ability... only that at the time when they were poor and Stevie had to work multiple jobs and he worked on the music, he worked on the music cause the only thing he wasnt useless at at the time was their music...

so pull yourselves together before you attack her for calling him that because it has nothing to do with LB musical ability

It made me remember about the anecdote about Lindsey's first (and last) attempt ever at cooking. He tried to use their electric skillet as a normal skillet and put it on the stove; both the food and the electric skillet were nevermore. I laughed so much.

MoonSister75 08-14-2017 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TylerMcCrudden (Post 1215354)
I need to address this already cause i've seen people already throw up their arms over this:

she didn't mention 'Mr Useless' in association with his musical ability... only that at the time when they were poor and Stevie had to work multiple jobs and he worked on the music, he worked on the music cause the only thing he wasnt useless at at the time was their music...

so pull yourselves together before you attack her for calling him that because it has nothing to do with LB musical ability

I agree with you. I just watched that part again and detect no malice or nastiness in her words. It's just Stevie being Stevie with her dry sense of humour.
Things just get picked up on, and taken the wrong way. And Stevie is unfortunately the target of most of the vitriol on this board at the moment.

She's always praised Lindsey very highly with regards to his guitar playing and musical ability. I think she's just saying, in her own way, she couldn't see him doing anything else.

bombaysaffires 08-14-2017 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TylerMcCrudden (Post 1215354)
I need to address this already cause i've seen people already throw up their arms over this:

she didn't mention 'Mr Useless' in association with his musical ability... only that at the time when they were poor and Stevie had to work multiple jobs and he worked on the music, he worked on the music cause the only thing he wasnt useless at at the time was their music...

so pull yourselves together before you attack her for calling him that because it has nothing to do with LB musical ability

uh, yeah, we get that.

it's more the point that she uses it as in "you're too delicate and completely unable to do anything so you just stay home and work on music and I'll go out and make the money and come home and cook the dinner". Which is a lot of work for sure, but the point being made is that if they had had to rely on HER to have the skill and discipline to spend hours arranging their songs, they'd have been up sh&t's creek. So frankly, he could just as easily turn around and call HER "Miss Useless" who couldn't do anything to arrange and record their songs "so you just go out and wait tables and clean toilets and I'll do the stuff that's going to make our career successful".
They each had different and necessary skill sets that contributed to them being successful, and she chose to take a stab at him in this interview. It was all almost 40 years ago and you'd think they'd have moved past that crap by now.

sue 08-14-2017 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TylerMcCrudden (Post 1215354)
I need to address this already cause i've seen people already throw up their arms over this:

she didn't mention 'Mr Useless' in association with his musical ability... only that at the time when they were poor and Stevie had to work multiple jobs and he worked on the music, he worked on the music cause the only thing he wasnt useless at at the time was their music...

so pull yourselves together before you attack her for calling him that because it has nothing to do with LB musical ability


No I just think it's very funny...I don't think she's talking about him musically...
It's just funny.
To call Lindsey, Mr Useless. Did she roll her eyes too?
She might, however be having a general dig at him.

MoonSister75 08-14-2017 04:52 PM

The endlessly fascinating Stevie-Lindsey dynamic. I don't think Stevie is too careful about what she says, it just comes out :laugh: And I can't see him being Mr Tactful around her either.

wheart 08-14-2017 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires (Post 1215357)
uh, yeah, we get that.

it's more the point that she uses it as in "you're too delicate and completely unable to do anything so you just stay home and work on music and I'll go out and make the money and come home and cook the dinner". Which is a lot of work for sure, but the point being made is that if they had had to rely on HER to have the skill and discipline to spend hours arranging their songs, they'd have been up sh&t's creek. So frankly, he could just as easily turn around and call HER "Miss Useless" who couldn't do anything to arrange and record their songs "so you just go out and wait tables and clean toilets and I'll do the stuff that's going to make our career successful".
They each had different and necessary skill sets that contributed to them being successful, and she chose to take a stab at him in this interview. It was all almost 40 years ago and you'd think they'd have moved past that crap by now.

you nailed it and the whole thing is really so unnecessary. How many times has Stevie mentioned in interviews that she worked while Lindsey practiced. We get it. You supported him. It was a million years ago. In reality, he was her meal ticket and she knew it so she'd better get out there and support him. I'm just tired of her bringing it up constantly, with that air of superiority.

blemelin 08-14-2017 11:10 PM

This was obviously heavily edited into sound bytes, so she could have said a lot of other things around the "Mr. Useless" comments that we'll never hear. Let it go, people.

deribish 08-15-2017 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by blemelin (Post 1215375)
This was obviously heavily edited into sound bytes, so she could have said a lot of other things around the "Mr. Useless" comments that we'll never hear. Let it go, people.

Agreed! Watch it for yourselves. It's not a mean poke at Lindz NOW. It's just a jokey mention to how she got a job while lindz stayed at home and worked on becoming a better guitarist.
(it's around the 5 min mark)


aleuzzi 08-15-2017 03:55 PM

^^^

That comes through clearly. But that's not why some people, including myself, are pointing it out. No matter what the context, the comment seems bitter and harsh, perhaps an attempt to be dryly funny (which she often is) that lands on the side of petty and spiteful. I might not have felt this way had the rest of her interview seemed more relaxed, but she was pretty angry elsewhere, too. The comment about wanting to run towards her former psychotherapist and kill him is an example. Her frustration over losing eight years of her life is understandable. The devastation must be real. But she's been saying things to this effect for about 17 years, and the comments only get harsher and harsher, suggesting that she can't seem to move on. This is ironically robbing her of more time.

She's been complaining about LB not being employable for decades, too. Some of the comments back in the day, such as the "hamburger helper" comment from a Wild Heart interview in '83 were hilarious, proof of her acerbic wit. But the comments not only persist but get harsher, more aggressive.

MoonSister75 08-15-2017 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by deribish (Post 1215436)
Agreed! Watch it for yourselves. It's not a mean poke at Lindz NOW. It's just a jokey mention to how she got a job while lindz stayed at home and worked on becoming a better guitarist.
(it's around the 5 min mark)

​Yes I agree with you 100%. It's been blown out of all epic proportion into a full on character assassination. I honestly don't sense a bitter and angry women in this interview or the others. It's just Stevie saying Stevie things, in her way, as she has been doing for the last 40 years. She's angry at losing 8 years of her life to Klonopin, and is expressing that strongly, but does anyone actually believe she would really kill the therapist :shrug: Its just a (very strong) figure of speech. If she still feels angry about that and expresses that, why is that a problem to anyone?

I don't know...I'm not even sure why I'm bothering to type all this...this will all fall mostly on deaf ears. Stevie haters will find anything to beat her with, and it's not going to change. I guess I just find it strange that people are so invested in hating someone so much :shrug:

MoonSister75 08-15-2017 04:49 PM

^^Just realised some of my post probably doesn't make sense...

I was trying to say... I don't get the sense that in general Stevie is an angry and bitter person.
She clearly is still angry about the Klonopin/therapist - and is very happy to let everyone know that.
I don't detect anywhere else in the interview or her other interviews a general overriding anger or bitterness. She just wants to carry on singing as long as her vocal chords will still allow :] that doesn't strike me as something a bitter person would say.

But who knows...maybe I'm wrong and I just don't have a clue :shrug:

sue 08-15-2017 04:55 PM

Having listened to the clip again, she's definitely saying this as a fond jokey memory.....she's not having a dig at all.
She's smiling remembering something in the past...like "hey do you remember when you were such a nerd". etc etc.
Admittedly she does remember it quite frequently.

Macfan4life 08-15-2017 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MoonSister75 (Post 1215440)
​Yes I agree with you 100%. It's been blown out of all epic proportion into a full on character assassination. I honestly don't sense a bitter and angry women in this interview or the others. It's just Stevie saying Stevie things, in her way, as she has been doing for the last 40 years. She's angry at losing 8 years of her life to Klonopin, and is expressing that strongly, but does anyone actually believe she would really kill the therapist :shrug: Its just a (very strong) figure of speech. If she still feels angry about that and expresses that, why is that a problem to anyone?

I don't know...I'm not even sure why I'm bothering to type all this...this will all fall mostly on deaf ears. Stevie haters will find anything to beat her with, and it's not going to change. I guess I just find it strange that people are so invested in hating someone so much :shrug:

I agree with you in part. I don't think she sounded bitter or angry at all. I also think she was trying to be funny. HOWEVER, Lindsey is not useless and was busting his butt for them to make it in the music industry. So its a wasted joke because it makes no sense. What it does show is her unresolved bitterness towards Lindsey that will never go away. Playing guitar all day is what led Stevie Nicks to join one of the most successful rock bands in history. Its time for her to be a little grateful. Its almost time to rehearse for one last tour. Give it a rest. We can also see why she chose not to record with the band.
Just imagine for a second if Lindsey would have said something like "Stevie was Miss Useless back in those days HA HA. She was not a musician so she cleaned toilets while I worked on our music all day. OUCH Its just silly after all these years to say such stuff.

dreamsunwind 08-15-2017 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MoonSister75 (Post 1215445)
^^Just realised some of my post probably doesn't make sense...

I was trying to say... I don't get the sense that in general Stevie is an angry and bitter person.
She clearly is still angry about the Klonopin/therapist - and is very happy to let everyone know that.
I don't detect anywhere else in the interview or her other interviews a general overriding anger or bitterness. She just wants to carry on singing as long as her vocal chords will still allow :] that doesn't strike me as something a bitter person would say.

But who knows...maybe I'm wrong and I just don't have a clue :shrug:

I don't think she's generally angry or bitter either (except like you said for the Klono-doctor), but she really needs to just let go of the past. I understand she gets asked about the past a lot, but the way she responds seems like someone who is still so invested in it.

bombaysaffires 08-15-2017 07:53 PM

I just love how this board, like the world it seems, has devolved to where if someone has a different opinion than you do, they're a "hater".:confused:

pryderi 08-15-2017 08:46 PM

Loved the concert footage. Please release soon!!!!!!

MakerofBirds 08-16-2017 12:12 PM

Thank you so much for posting this Danielle!

Nothing made me happier than seeing that gold crescent moon around Chrissie's neck!

JohnL 08-16-2017 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires (Post 1215456)
I just love how this board, like the world it seems, has devolved to where if someone has a different opinion than you do, they're a "hater".:confused:

Welcome to my world on the other board.

JohnL 08-16-2017 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pryderi (Post 1215459)
Loved the concert footage. Please release soon!!!!!!

I agree with that. I loved this show so much...from both of them.

wheart 08-16-2017 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1215438)
^^^

That comes through clearly. But that's not why some people, including myself, are pointing it out. No matter what the context, the comment seems bitter and harsh, perhaps an attempt to be dryly funny (which she often is) that lands on the side of petty and spiteful. I might not have felt this way had the rest of her interview seemed more relaxed, but she was pretty angry elsewhere, too. The comment about wanting to run towards her former psychotherapist and kill him is an example. Her frustration over losing eight years of her life is understandable. The devastation must be real. But she's been saying things to this effect for about 17 years, and the comments only get harsher and harsher, suggesting that she can't seem to move on. This is ironically robbing her of more time.

She's been complaining about LB not being employable for decades, too. Some of the comments back in the day, such as the "hamburger helper" comment from a Wild Heart interview in '83 were hilarious, proof of her acerbic wit. But the comments not only persist but get harsher, more aggressive.

Her comments about the 8 years lost to Klonopin always intrigue me because except for the last two (92-93) she was actually quite productive: Recording of OSOTM and tour (1988-1989); Recording of BTM album and tour (1990); Putting together Timespace and tour(1991). So she really wasn't just sitting around. And at least some of 1992-1993 were spent working on Street Angel so again, she was busy. She probably doesn't remember a whole lot from those 8 years which is really a shame.

bombaysaffires 08-16-2017 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by wheart (Post 1215529)
Her comments about the 8 years lost to Klonopin always intrigue me because except for the last two (92-93) she was actually quite productive: Recording of OSOTM and tour (1988-1989); Recording of BTM album and tour (1990); Putting together Timespace and tour(1991). So she really wasn't just sitting around. And at least some of 1992-1993 were spent working on Street Angel so again, she was busy. She probably doesn't remember a whole lot from those 8 years which is really a shame.

maybe she'd rather say (and have people think) she wasn't doing anything rather than that she did stuff that just didn't sell as well. :shrug:

I actually like a lot of things about OSOTM, though a lot of it would have benefited from some tightening up and editorial direction. And Timespace was cool. But not the blockbusters that BD and WH were. :shrug:

MakerofBirds 08-16-2017 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by wheart (Post 1215529)
Her comments about the 8 years lost to Klonopin always intrigue me because except for the last two (92-93) she was actually quite productive: Recording of OSOTM and tour (1988-1989); Recording of BTM album and tour (1990); Putting together Timespace and tour(1991). So she really wasn't just sitting around. And at least some of 1992-1993 were spent working on Street Angel so again, she was busy. She probably doesn't remember a whole lot from those 8 years which is really a shame.

I think she feels that she didn't put out quality work instead of not doing any work. I don't think that Street Angel is quality work and we know that Stevie hated the album. It was really the lowest point in her career.

I wish she'd stop talking about Klonopin, though. There are plenty of people that need to take it for very legitimate reasons. I'd hate to see someone end up not getting the help they need because Stevie has bad-mouthed it so publicly. I get it, it didn't work for her, but in the end, she's responsible for making her own decisions about her health. She can talk about how much she blames the doctor all she wants, but at any point she could have said no.

sue 08-16-2017 04:50 PM

I am beginning to wish she would just stop talking about the past.

There cannot be a person on this planet who does not know about her and Lindsey, who doesn't know about her drug problems.

Move on, there must be loads of other stuff in her colourful past, if she has to talk about the past.

And yes I realise that journalists asks the same questions over and over.
......But.....
She could say that she spoken enough about her and Lindsey, ask me something fresh.

lilyfee 08-19-2017 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sue (Post 1215537)
I am beginning to wish she would just stop talking about the past.

There cannot be a person on this planet who does not know about her and Lindsey, who doesn't know about her drug problems.

Move on, there must be loads of other stuff in her colourful past, if she has to talk about the past.

And yes I realise that journalists asks the same questions over and over.
......But.....
She could say that she spoken enough about her and Lindsey, ask me something fresh.

I agree. You can see from the cuts in the video that this was a long conversation. I would love to see the rest of it. It seems to me that interviewers always ask the same questions, although this interviewer at least seemed like she'd researched Stevie's past better than most. But we've heard all about Stevie's pre-FM days and drug use a hundred times before!

I don't think the Mr. Useless comment was derogatory at all. If you watch the clip in context, Stevie is poking fun at her own perception of him at that time -- that he was a musical genius who all the same was useless for making money or cooking dinner. And when the interviewer remarks that Lindsey was how they got into Fleetwood Mac, Stevie immediately replies "absolutely".

I'm surprised that so many people are getting worked up about this, as I don't think it's all that different than anything Stevie has said even in front of Lindsey regarding their past.


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