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jbrownsjr 07-07-2017 07:17 PM

BuckVie, A Month Later, What's Your Order?
 
It's almost been a full month. I don't know if my list has changed; but, I love this album so much more than when it was first released. In context, it really really shines. It's such a fantastic album.

1. Carnival Begin
2. Too Far Gone
3. Love is Here To Stay
4. In My World
5. On With The Show
6. Sleeping Around The Corner
7. Game Of Pretend
8. Red Sun
9. Feel About You
10.Lay Down For Free

BLY 07-07-2017 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1213533)
It's almost been a full month. I don't know if my list has changed; but, I love this album so much more than when it was first released. In context, it really really shines. It's such a fantastic album.

1. Carnival Begin
2. Too Far Gone
3. Love is Here To Stay
4. In My World
5. On With The Show
6. Sleeping Around The Corner
7. Game Of Pretend
8. Red Sun
9. Feel About You
10.Lay Down For Free




After having this for a month and loving every track I just can't rank this anymore. I love all the tracks the same.

lennonfan 07-08-2017 04:55 AM

I love all the tracks as well and for me this is the FM album I've been waiting for. There's such a balance between these two, I just knew it was gonna be super special. ....and it was.

HomerMcvie 07-08-2017 09:25 AM

This is tough.....
1. On With The Show
2. Red Sun
3. Sleeping Around The Corner
4. Feel About You
5. In My World
6. Too Far Gone
7. Game Of Pretend
8. Carnival Begin(I don't understand y'all's obsession)
9. Love is Here To Stay
10.Lay Down For Free

Some of those are ties, that just ended up next to each other.

John Run 07-08-2017 01:52 PM

It is such a well crafted pop-rock collection. For me there are no bad songs.

3 A+ songs. Up there with anything in the group or solo legacy. 4 very good A- songs. 3 B songs

A+
On With The Show
In My World
Carnival Begin

A-
Too Far Gone
Red Sun
Sleeping Around The Corner
Love is Here To Stay

B
Feel About You - Love the pop craft of this song, lyrics within the verses weaken it for me
Lay Down For Free
Game of Pretend - Again such a cool pop choral arrangement, just lyrically needs to give me more.

Hawkeye 07-08-2017 02:08 PM

Top 3 is the same as day 1. Game of Pretend has rocketed up the list since hearing it on high quality car speakers. I don't care what anyone says there is always a noticeable slight difference in sound quality with CDs as. Any digital format, really feel there is not one bad song. I do occasionally skip lay down for free unless my OCD need to listen to the album start to finish is really kicking in then I can't! And it's crazy how like many others have said, it's strange how much more I love in my world within the album. It's really just as good as big love, it was just a terrible song to tease the album with.

1. Carnival Begin
2. Too Far Gone
3. In My World
4. Game of Pretend
5. On with the show
6. Red Sun
7. Love is here to stay
8. Feel about you
9. Sleeping around the corner
10. Lay Down for free

jwd 07-08-2017 02:43 PM

1. On with the Show - My absolute favorite. Isn't "life" the "show"?
2. In My World - This song has grown on me a lot since first listen.
3. Feel About You - Never thought this would become my favorite Christine track from the record. Love the quirky sound sans the somewhat trite lyrics.
4. Game of Pretend - Another surprise as to how much this song has grown on me over the last month. Outstanding Christine vocal and piano.
5. Lay Down for Free - I find myself coming back to this song quite a bit. Maybe it has something to do with the voices in my head?
6. Love is Here to Stay - Very nice Lindsey acoustic song. Get caught up in the picking and the words.
7. Too Far Gone - Good upbeat track to give the album some better dynamics. Comparable to World Turning, but in my opinion falls short on the majesty of the latter. Sometimes less is more.
8. Carnival Begin - At first listen, this song literally blew me away, but has lost a lot of its' initial impact. I'm finding it a little tiresome to listen to lately.
9. Red Sun - Along the same line as Carnival Begin. It's a nice song, but doesn't hold my attention. There's really nothing new to discover once you hear it the first time.
10. Sleeping Around the Corner - I suppose this one's last because it's probably Lindsey's quirkiest song. Never been a fan of that side of him.

All in all I think this a fantastic FM album. And I really do like all the tracks, especially when listening to it from start to finish.

Some of these opinions are subject to change.

blinker12 07-08-2017 05:40 PM

1. Lay Down for Free
2. Love Is Here To Stay
3. Sleeping Around the Corner
4. Carnival Begin
5. On With the Show
6. Red Sun
7. Feel About You
8. Game of Pretend (the chorus- I just can't)
9. In My World
10. Too Far Gone (but fun live)

WatchChain 07-08-2017 05:46 PM

The question still looms with me regarding this whole project. Why didn't they just have John and Mick play bass and drums on the whole record and call it "Fleetwood Mac"? Let me get this straight:

Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, and Christine McVie CANNOT be called "Fleetwood Mac".

BUT

Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, and Stevie Nicks CAN be called "Fleetwood Mac".

What the heck is the difference? It seems clear and it all boils down to having the name "Stevie Nicks" on the bill. The band and its management are well aware that a unit called Fleetwood Mac recording and touring WITHOUT Stevie Nicks will hurt the Fleetwood Mac "brand" and confuse consumers. It's clear that marketing and the band's ability to fill arenas as a dinosaur rock act equal more money in pockets. Which leaves us with fickle Stevie.

Roxy 07-08-2017 05:52 PM

1. Too Far Gone
2. Red Sun
3. Sleeping Around The Corner
4. In My World
5. On With The Show
6. Love Is Here To Stay
7. Lay Down For Free
8. Feel About You
9. Carnival Begin
10. Game Of Pretend
This was really difficult because I believe every song on this album is great! It's such a blessing.

jwd 07-08-2017 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WatchChain (Post 1213562)
The question still looms with me regarding this whole project. Why didn't they just have John and Mick play bass and drums on the whole record and call it "Fleetwood Mac"? Let me get this straight:

Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, and Christine McVie CANNOT be called "Fleetwood Mac".

BUT

Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, and Stevie Nicks CAN be called "Fleetwood Mac".

What the heck is the difference?
It seems clear and it all boils down to having the name "Stevie Nicks" on the bill. The band and its management are well aware that a unit called Fleetwood Mac recording and touring WITHOUT Stevie Nicks will hurt the Fleetwood Mac "brand" and confuse consumers. It's clear that marketing and the band's ability to fill arenas as a dinosaur rock act equal more money in pockets. Which leaves us with fickle Stevie.


The difference is, first case scenario Stevie is still in the band. Second case, Christine was NOT in the band. All comes down to politics, and as Christine said, makes it less confusing to just call it Buckingham McVie. AND supposedly it was never intended to be a FM record. So there you have it, for what it's worth................

HomerMcvie 07-08-2017 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WatchChain (Post 1213562)
The question still looms with me regarding this whole project. Why didn't they just have John and Mick play bass and drums on the whole record and call it "Fleetwood Mac"? Let me get this straight:

Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, and Christine McVie CANNOT be called "Fleetwood Mac".

BUT

Lindsey Buckingham, Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, and Stevie Nicks CAN be called "Fleetwood Mac".

What the heck is the difference? It seems clear and it all boils down to having the name "Stevie Nicks" on the bill. The band and its management are well aware that a unit called Fleetwood Mac recording and touring WITHOUT Stevie Nicks will hurt the Fleetwood Mac "brand" and confuse consumers. It's clear that marketing and the band's ability to fill arenas as a dinosaur rock act equal more money in pockets. Which leaves us with fickle Stevie.

I love you! Marry me!

GypsySorcerer 07-08-2017 11:17 PM

1) In My World. I liked it well enough when it was first released, but it's become my favorite. It's such a brilliant, sophisticated pop song.
2) Red Sun. It just makes me happy, and it has that FM feel.
3) Carnival Begin. Love the lyrics and the mood.
4) On with the Show. Very FM-like, but the "on with the shows" get a bit tiresome after awhile.
5) Too Far Gone. The energy/drum breaks mitigate the lesser lyrics.
6) Love is Here to Stay. This one has dropped a bit for me. I still like it, but it's no Rock Away Blind.


7) Sleeping Around the Corner. I like it, but did he HAVE to croak the verses? And say "little red rover?" :eek:
8) Lay Down For Free. Nothing spectacular, but pleasant.
9) Game of Pretend. Chris' vocal is nice, and that's about the only good thing I have to say.
10). Feel About You. Too saccharine, even by Christine's standards.

secret love 07-09-2017 12:08 AM

Fleetwood Mac's swansong record
 
As far as I am concerned this album is Fleetwood Mac's swansong. And what a way to end it.

Stevie Nicks has made a quintet album impossible but let Fleetwood Mac's Quartet rock on! They have produced the greatest Fleetwood Mac album since Mirage. Better than Tango, better than Say You Will. It's pure gold.

Lay Down for Free and On with the Show are my personal favourites. Of Christine's songs (controversial choice) I love Feel About You.

I sincerely hope that if Stevie continues to refuse to record with them, that the quartet put out another album and call Stevie's bluff by naming it Fleetwood Mac. Happy days, happy listening!

HomerMcvie 07-09-2017 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1213578)
As far as I am concerned this album is Fleetwood Mac's swansong. And what a way to end it.

Stevie Nicks has made a quintet album impossible but let Fleetwood Mac's Quartet rock on! They have produced the greatest Fleetwood Mac album since Mirage. Better than Tango, better than Say You Will. It's pure gold.

Lay Down for Free and On with the Show are my personal favourites. Of Christine's songs (controversial choice) I love Feel About You.

I sincerely hope that if Stevie continues to refuse to record with them, that the quartet put out another album and call Stevie's bluff by naming it Fleetwood Mac. Happy days, happy listening!

I agree completely(except for Lay Down For Free, lol). This is probably IT.

Our only hope is that they DID have enough fun with this project to do it again. I love this album so much!

nicepace 07-09-2017 09:42 AM

I'm really okay with them calling themselves Buckingham McVie, although I think it would have been cool if they had actually used the "BuckVie" shorthand that we all seem to like.

If they had called the album and tour "Fleetwood Mac" they would be dealing with angry concert-goers yelling for Stevie. So, the choice of the Buckingham McVie name may have simply been a way to avoid that sort of unpleasantness.

When the Lindsey-Stevie-Mick-John quartet made 'Say You Will,' Christine wasn't in the band, so she had no claim on the Fleetwood Mac name.

When the Lindsey-Chris-Mick-John quartet made 'BuckVie,' Stevie was still in the band, so she has a claim on the name, at least equally with the other four.

The only problem with this is the 'Then Play On' precedent, in which a current member of the band (Jeremy) did not participate in recording the album, but the Fleetwood Mac name was still used. But that's a long time ago and everything was much different, so I think it's rather pedantic to use this as an argument for calling the current album "Fleetwood Mac."

jbrownsjr 07-09-2017 10:18 AM

I like that they called it Buckingham/McVie. It's never been done before, so it was quite brave.

michelej1 07-09-2017 02:35 PM

Rather than a name combo, if they could have found a nice peripheral name, that would have been fine. Almost Perfect, Tango Two, or Anne Adams, anything really. Shorter and more melodic than Buckingham McVie.

Michele

Mr Scarrott 07-09-2017 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicepace (Post 1213588)
When the Lindsey-Chris-Mick-John quartet made 'BuckVie,' Stevie was still in the band, so she has a claim on the name, at least equally with the other four.

The only problem with this is the 'Then Play On' precedent, in which a current member of the band (Jeremy) did not participate in recording the album, but the Fleetwood Mac name was still used. But that's a long time ago and everything was much different, so I think it's rather pedantic to use this as an argument for calling the current album "Fleetwood Mac."

Jeremy did appear on Oh Well, albeit briefly, although that track wasn't on the original pressing of the album. It's hard to imagine Jeremy's style meshing well with Danny and Peter on that album, somehow.

A better precedent is actually the Jeremy Spencer album released around the time of TPO. Was that a Fleetwood album? Danny, Mick and John were his backing band on that album and Peter also appeared on String-a-long which did find its way onto the Chain 4 disc boxset.

So, if Stevie had appeared on one track of Buckingham McVie, would that have made it a Fleetwood Mac song (or album)? On which philosophical conundrum, I will say Good Night...

FuzzyPlum 07-09-2017 04:23 PM

To paraphrase Lindsey; 'Its a Fleetwood Mac album if we call it a Fleetwood Mac album'

I like the name Buckingham McVie or Buckingham/McVie which is quite cool.
What is annoying is they officially use the full names of Lindsey Buckingham/Christine McVie.

aleuzzi 07-11-2017 10:40 AM

My ranking of the songs hasn't changed much since I first got the album. I really enjoy every song except the first one.

I listen to these the most:
Carnival Begin
Red Sun
On With the Show
Lay Down for Free
Game of Pretend

Then these:
Feel About You
In My World
Too Far Gone
Love is Here to Stay

Hardly ever this:
Sleeping Round the Corner

nicepace 07-11-2017 12:32 PM

I gave the album a rest for a few days and listened again this morning, and now I can order the songs according to how much I like them.

Carnival Begin
Game of Pretend
On With the Show
Too Far Gone
Red Sun
In My World
Love is Here to Stay
Sleeping Round the Corner
Feel About You
Lay Down for Free

Naturally, the list reflects my Christine preference. I have always liked her songs the best. But Lindsey has some very strong songwriting on this record, too.

"Carnival Begin" is the best song on the album, by far. Great music, great singing, lyrics that tell the story of Christine's return to music. It's a shame this is one of the two they are skipping in the live shows.

For a long time I would have put "On With the Show" as my second favorite song, but "Game of Pretend" has wheedled its lovely way strongly into my consciousness. I think about the song a lot, even when not listening. It has everything I love about Christine's music: beautiful singing, gorgeous piano, heartfelt, simply expressed emotion, a positive outlook on life.

"On With the Show" has its own brand of emotion, Lindsey-style, and I just love it. A song about loyalty and persistence.

"Too Far Gone" shows they can still rock with the best of them. I would love to hear the song live with Mick Fleetwood on those amazing drums.

"Red Sun" is utterly Fleetwood Mac-y, with its jaunty melody, its fun music, and the sadness of the lyrics all forming a package that hearkens back to the classic FM approach of the last forty-five years.

"In My World" -- I don't know if this is directed toward the (ahem) missing FM member, but if it is, it is done with gentleness. I actually think that although there may be Stevie imagery in the song, it's really another song about loyalty and persistence.

The bottom four songs on my list are all good. There is no filler on this record. But I don't think they stand out as wonderfully as the top six. So I put them in a more or less random order to finish the list.


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