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Fleetwood Jack 10-05-2016 08:15 PM

Best Era Of Fleetwood Mac
 
So, I thought of an interesting question. What do you think is the best all around time period for Fleetwood Mac. Now, for this question to be answered you have to consider the following (to quote that blasted Science Guy, for the era that you chose.

-Did it have (in your opinion the best album), it has to have no filler or next to no filler.
-Do you think that's when they gave their best live performances, (if any).
-Were the B-Sides/Outtakes good?
-This one is just kind of a side note. Did it have their best interviews and promotional/music videos.
-Do you like the solo albums that were released from around that time. Like how Go Insane, Rock-A-Little, and Christine McVie are almost a part of the Tango In The Night era.

My vote might have to be the Mirage Era. Although, (controversial opinion) Tango In The Night is my favorite album from that line-up, I think the live performances from then are rather lacking. I think Mirage was their peak for live performance, just watch the Mirage Tour video! I love the three music videos and the interviews that they gave. I also think that after hearing the reissue it has some of their finest outtakes.

I'm really curious to hear what you guys and gals have to say.

HomerMcvie 10-06-2016 01:52 AM

Mystery To Me,1973. The best album they ever made!

Macfan4life 10-06-2016 06:44 AM

I love 1974. Heros are hard to find is an amazing album. Christine really shines with her songs and you get a premonition of what a huge hit maker she was to become. I love the harmonizing between Bob and Christine.
I also love 1982. Its a quick blip and short tour but its like eating one potato chip. I just cant get enough. It was the end of an era for the band. Everyone was at their peak beauty and it was the last time before drugs started to impact performances (Stevie). It also was the early video era and the band made 2 of the best videos ever so you can imagine how ground breaking they were in 1982. No backup singers or fancy sets. It was basic arena rock which is when they are at their best IMHO.

SisterNightroad 10-06-2016 07:23 AM

Probably 1975-6 for me.
I've always thought that the white album is almost on a par with Rumours, and almost all of the best performances of my favourite songs are from this tour: Green Manalishi with Stevie's wails, I'm so afraid with Stevie still on the chorus, Hypnotized with Stevie and Lindsey's harmonies and, most of all, those unrivalled Rhiannon performances.
Unfortunately there aren't many outtakes leaked, beside a very sweet version of Warm Ways from the tour rehearsals that makes me wish for more.
Interviews and music videos were still pretty much secondary, and solo careers were still just a distant thought.
The live video performances we have from that time are very good, the Largo show and the Capitol Centre one, but the Santa Barbara show that was partly filmed for the Rosebud documentary is from this period too and that seems peerless; I really would like to see more footage from that concert.

olive 10-06-2016 08:20 AM

i wish there would have been more with Rick and Billy

AlexD 10-06-2016 08:54 AM

I always thought that the Say You Will Era could've been the best with Christine, but everyone hates that album haha

louielouie2000 10-06-2016 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1193024)
Mystery To Me, 1973. The best album they ever made!

I'm glad someone else thinks this was a high point in Mac history. Though I'd widen it to 1973-1974 to include 3 albums: Penguin, Mystery To Me, and Heroes Are Hard To Find. MTM definitely was the standout album of the era, and really, one of the top 5 albums the band ever released. I love Penguin & Heroes too. These 3 albums represent when Bob Welch really came into his own. There's just something about him I've never been able to pinpoint. He's got the mysticism of Stevie Nicks, the storytelling of Peter Green, the pop chops of Christine McVie, and eccentric sonic sensibilities of Lindsey Buckingham. Bob's story is such a tragedy, too. He left Fleetwood Mac just as he was hitting his stride, he wasn't included in the RRHOF, and his death was just heartbreaking. It really bothers me his FM albums aren't available on streaming mediums like Spotify, either. This pretty much guarantees future generations will never hear Bob's FM music.

I also love 1979-1980 in an entirely different way. Tusk is my all time favorite album by any band. Stevie Nicks really flexed her muscles during Tusk, stepped out of the shadows, and became a star. The tour was this giant monster, too. I love the snapshot in time that the Live album is. When I think of the definitive era of Fleetwood Mac, this is it.

Macfanforever 10-06-2016 09:34 AM

1970's and 80's was my favorite.

louielouie2000 10-06-2016 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by AlexD (Post 1193032)
I always thought that the Say You Will Era could've been the best with Christine, but everyone hates that album haha

If Christine were present, Say You Will would have been a 21st century Tusk. The album really would have benefitted from Christine's presence in multiple ways- she would have bridged the chasm in between Stevie's and Lindsey's songs, and her presence would have meant cutting out some of the dead wood present on the album. As it stands, SYW is still the most artistically pure thing the band has done since Tango. Yeah, it's flawed- but it's honest, and a genuine attempt at forward movement without being trapped by the past.

bwboy 10-06-2016 11:33 AM

I don't know if it's just because they only did one album, but I would have loved one more album with the Behind the Mask lineup. They didn't get much of a chance to show all their stuff, but As Long As You Follow, No Questions Asked, Save Me, Skies the Limit, and In the Back of My Mind all delivered and showed there was still plenty of life in the Mac.

sue 10-06-2016 11:49 AM

I love the white Album and Rumours era....but, my favourite is
the Peter Green era of Fleetwood Mac, especially
"Oh Well", "Man of the World" and "Albatross"...they
have that late 60's bluesy hippie feel about them, very atmospheric.

sorcerer999 10-06-2016 03:58 PM

The "Bare Trees" era holds an extremely special place in my heart. I'm a huge Danny Kirwan fan. It's a shame that his demons took over both his music and his life. But songs like "Danny's Chant" and "Sunny Side Of Heaven" are masterpieces - Snapshots of a band still valid and creative despite losing Green and Spencer, but veering off in a more fascinating and mystical direction. However, his song, "Dust" remains my favorite cut off this record. Why? Because it perfectly foreshadows not only his departure from the band, but also his departure from creating music and, lastly, his HIGHLY UNDERRATED legacy within this band. It's so sad. He's the only other member of this band whose lyrics are on par with Stevie's in regards to the poetic and atmospheric.

I also really dig Bob's funky "The Ghost" and prefer this first version of "Sentimental Lady" to (what would become) the over saturated California yacht rock solo version later on.

Christine's "Spare Me A Little" is like a sneak peak of her Pop sensibilities overshadowing her Blues roots. A "dry run", if you will, for songs like "Say You Love Me" and "Sugar Daddy" IMO. So much fun!

And of course how could you not adore Mrs. Scarrot's "Thoughts On A Grey Day" closing an album that's "beautiful! Just beautiful! So beautiful!" :D

Definitely a "perfect moment in time", not only for the band, but for the fans of Fleetwood Mac. It's a shame it was so short lived. It's also worth noting that this is the only platinum selling Mac album, pre-Rumours line up.

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Originally Posted by louielouie2000 (Post 1193038)
If Christine were present, Say You Will would have been a 21st century Tusk. The album really would have benefitted from Christine's presence in multiple ways

I'm not sure about that sentiment, but I do agree that it would have been more well received and hugely successful had she taken part. There's a reason why "Bleed To Love Her" and "Steal Your Heart Away" are my personal favorites off the record. It's because of Christine's presence...and the only two moments within the record that make it FEEL like it's Fleetwood Mac instead of Buckingham Nicks Part 2.

WatchChain 10-06-2016 07:36 PM

There's not question about it, 1975 through 1979 were the absolute best years of this band's output.

~*BellaDonna*~ 10-06-2016 09:41 PM

1979... the year they released their masterpiece, Tusk.

HomerMcvie 10-07-2016 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by louielouie2000 (Post 1193038)
If Christine were present, Say You Will would have been a 21st century Tusk. The album really would have benefitted from Christine's presence in multiple ways- she would have bridged the chasm in between Stevie's and Lindsey's songs, and her presence would have meant cutting out some of the dead wood present on the album.

That has always been her job. Stevie might be the star, and Lindsey the architect, but Christine's songs ARE the MF SOUND of Fleetwood Mac. Because that's where it all melds, and makes it a cohesive unit. Christine MF McVie. Period.

Macfan4life 10-07-2016 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1193165)
That has always been her job. Stevie might be the star, and Lindsey the architect, but Christine's songs ARE the MF SOUND of Fleetwood Mac. Because that's where it all melds, and makes it a cohesive unit. Christine MF McVie. Period.

I agree. Lindsey is the architect. Mick and John are the heart but Christine is the soul of Fleetwood Mac. When she left there was star power but the music was soulless.
I believe her leaving was more profound than Lindsey leaving.

shackin'up 10-07-2016 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1193181)
I believe her leaving was more profound than Lindsey leaving.

I'm sorry but I can't see that. The tours between 87 and 96 were a lot more mediocre and flat than the ones between 2003 and 2013. And sorry, but the albums without Lindsey were extremely poor on original ideas. Say You Will, even if you hate it, was a lot more adventurous and surprising. What is soul? Little Lies or Say Goobye? Come on.

And, to be honest, the quality of Christine's songs are really upgraded in co-production with Lindsey.

Macfan4life 10-07-2016 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shackin'up (Post 1193185)
I'm sorry but I can't see that. The tours between 87 and 96 were a lot more mediocre and flat than the ones between 2003 and 2013. And sorry, but the albums without Lindsey were extremely poor on original ideas. Say You Will, even if you hate it, was a lot more adventurous and surprising. What is soul? Little Lies or Say Goobye? Come on.

And, to be honest, the quality of Christine's songs are really upgraded in co-production with Lindsey.

I know I'm not WRONG ;)
That is your opinion and I support your right to express your opinion no matter how wrong it is ;)
This is all opinion. The Say You Will Tour was so boring and missing Christine. The Behind the Mask/Farewell tour was far superior to the Say You Will tour even with the klonopin issues.
Behind the Mask is a much better sound than Tango IMHO. I prefer the more rock n roll approach than the digital programmed music Lindsey was doing at the time.
Lindsey is a genius, one of the best guitarists, and ace producer but Christine still adds more depth to the band. The minute she joined, the band changed for the better. Without her, it was not Fleetwood Mac to me. Without Lindsey, it was still Fleetwood Mac to me. I would say the same about Stevie. She adds SO MUCH to the band but if she left, it would still be Fleetwood Mac. Lindsey does make Christine's songs better. But she wrote beautiful songs years before Stevie and Lindsey joined the band. Some of those songs are still some of my favorite Fleetwood Mac songs.
Its funny you picked Little Lies as your example of a soulless Christine song. That is a Lindsey arrangement on mostly a Lindsey solo album.
I will ask the question back to you What is soul? Why or Caroline? Come a little bit closer or Family Man? Warm Ways or What's the world coming to?
Funny cause I think Say You Will is a great album. With Christine, it would have been sensational.

jbrownsjr 10-07-2016 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sorcerer999 (Post 1193072)
The "Bare Trees" era holds an extremely special place in my heart. I'm a huge Danny Kirwan fan. It's a shame that his demons took over both his music and his life. But songs like "Danny's Chant" and "Sunny Side Of Heaven" are masterpieces - Snapshots of a band still valid and creative despite losing Green and Spencer, but veering off in a more fascinating and mystical direction. However, his song, "Dust" remains my favorite cut off this record. Why? Because it perfectly foreshadows not only his departure from the band, but also his departure from creating music and, lastly, his HIGHLY UNDERRATED legacy within this band. It's so sad. He's the only other member of this band whose lyrics are on par with Stevie's in regards to the poetic and atmospheric.

I also really dig Bob's funky "The Ghost" and prefer this first version of "Sentimental Lady" to (what would become) the over saturated California yacht rock solo version later on.

Christine's "Spare Me A Little" is like a sneak peak of her Pop sensibilities overshadowing her Blues roots. A "dry run", if you will, for songs like "Say You Love Me" and "Sugar Daddy" IMO. So much fun!

And of course how could you not adore Mrs. Scarrot's "Thoughts On A Grey Day" closing an album that's "beautiful! Just beautiful! So beautiful!" :D

Definitely a "perfect moment in time", not only for the band, but for the fans of Fleetwood Mac. It's a shame it was so short lived. It's also worth noting that this is the only platinum selling Mac album, pre-Rumours line up.



I'm not sure about that sentiment, but I do agree that it would have been more well received and hugely successful had she taken part. There's a reason why "Bleed To Love Her" and "Steal Your Heart Away" are my personal favorites off the record. It's because of Christine's presence...and the only two moments within the record that make it FEEL like it's Fleetwood Mac instead of Buckingham Nicks Part 2.

I was in the Vegas area this week and I drove to Hoover Damn.. For some reason, I needed to hear Future Games. Woman of 1000 years is so beautiful.

BLY 10-07-2016 05:03 PM

I do love all the era's of the Mac but I would have to say 1975-1987 is my pick. Since the release of these expanded albums It's so fresh to me again. I have a cd juke box in my home office that only plays Fleetwood Mac music (no solo stuff) and I love it all but....

lennonfan 10-07-2016 07:25 PM

I'm torn between Then Play On and the '75 album. Both masterworks, both completely different. I also love about 10 of their other albums almost as much:)

jbrownsjr 10-08-2016 01:26 AM

1970-1982 I know this has so many eras in it.. But I love all these line up changes.

12/13 great years of FMac

michelej1 10-08-2016 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1193189)
I know I'm not WRONG ;)
That is your opinion and I support your right to express your opinion no matter how wrong it is ;)

To paraphrase the Dame herself.

Michele

sleepless child 10-08-2016 08:55 AM

My favorite era is 1975-76. I loved the white album. As a teenager I just thought they had the coolest sound. Live I think they sounded the best. Stevie's voice was amazing. They sounded so good together.

BLY 10-08-2016 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleepless child (Post 1193326)
My favorite era is 1975-76. I loved the white album. As a teenager I just thought they had the coolest sound. Live I think they sounded the best. Stevie's voice was amazing. They sounded so good together.




I second that!

On Ice 10-08-2016 10:16 AM

As others have said, my vote is 75-76, everything about the era is just fantastic. A new fresh sounding band with incredible songwriting from 3 very distinct writers who mesh to perfection. It is also notable that the majority of Rumours was written and recorded during this era. Particularly Stevie, her voice was the best to come on the scene in a long time and live particularly it was such a forceful instrument, and showed such amazing promise for this band to really become and rock and roll classic in the vein of the other big greats in the industry. Although I really love Tusk and the Mirage era that followed, the whole performance came down a few notches from the initial stellar beginnings of the classic line up. This edge was never to return. It was not until well into the Rumours tour in 1977-78 that things began to unravel and cocaine was becoming the obvious destructive factor on this band, not really the fights and relationships that they would have us believe tore them apart, I believe it was more the drugs. The phoned in concerts, the declining quality of the writing etc really was noticeable, but the band maintained its legacy. This is true even today when so much focus is on the 75-76 period, the setlists all contain the majority of the work of this period and has stood the test of time.

Macfanforever 10-08-2016 01:11 PM

I also add The Dance was great also SYW was great too but the focus for me would be 1975 to 1987.If I was into blues rock back then I probably would add 1967 to 1987.

Welcome to the board Fleetwood Jack.

Fleetwood Jack 10-08-2016 09:41 PM

MacFanForever, thank you so much for the warm welcome!

I think this is a poetic new era of The Ledge message board, that will bear much fruit in years to come. I know I'm No Wrong.

(See what I did there?)

~*BellaDonna*~ 10-08-2016 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fleetwood Jack (Post 1193372)
MacFanForever, thank you so much for the warm welcome!

I think this is a poetic new era of The Ledge message board, that will bear much fruit in years to come. I know I'm No Wrong.

(See what I did there?)

Welcome to The Ledge, Fleetwood Jack! I look foword to seeing your contributions. I hope you like it around here!

P.S. Love the reference. ;)

jbrownsjr 10-09-2016 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fleetwood Jack (Post 1193372)
MacFanForever, thank you so much for the warm welcome!

I think this is a poetic new era of The Ledge message board, that will bear much fruit in years to come. I know I'm No Wrong.

(See what I did there?)

Ladies and Gentlemen.. Let's give a warm welcome to Fleetwood Jack!:D

Fleetwood Jack 10-09-2016 10:36 PM

JBrownSJR, I absolutely love that reference!

AncientQueen 10-10-2016 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1193165)
Christine MF McVie. Period.

This!
My favorite is the Bob Welch era. Some of the best musicians, songwriters and entertainers came to together and created some of the greatest music ever. The "Bermuda Triangle" Bootleg is testament of their abilities. Bob Welch is so criminally underrated, it's just sad.

AncientQueen 10-10-2016 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shackin'up (Post 1193185)
I'm sorry but I can't see that. The tours between 87 and 96 were a lot more mediocre and flat than the ones between 2003 and 2013. And sorry, but the albums without Lindsey were extremely poor on original ideas. Say You Will, even if you hate it, was a lot more adventurous and surprising. What is soul? Little Lies or Say Goobye? Come on.

And, to be honest, the quality of Christine's songs are really upgraded in co-production with Lindsey.

NOPE! By no means Say You Will is a better album than Behind The Mask. SYW is sound proof that Lindsey can't write a hook if his life depends on it and his outdated production antis ruined whatever Stevie brought to the table. And the whole thing sounds like a 80s Lindsey album, which imho is never a good thing.

Upgraded? Rather upgrated! Hear the demo for "Everywhere" as reference for Chistines ability to write a pop gem versus Lindseys messing around with it until it is so overproduced that your teeths hurt from all the sugarcoating.

elle 10-10-2016 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AncientQueen (Post 1193451)
NOPE! By no means Say You Will is a better album than Behind The Mask. SYW is sound proof that Lindsey can't write a hook if his life depends on it

Second Hand News
Go Your Own Way
You Do or You Don't
In Our Own Time
Illumination
That's the Way That Love Goes
Rock Away Blind
Turn It On
Down on Rodeo
Wait for You
The Right Place to Fade


just some examples of Lindsey's clear inability to write a hook :lol::rolleyes:

sorcerer999 10-10-2016 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elle (Post 1193477)
Second Hand News
Go Your Own Way
You Do or You Don't
In Our Own Time
Illumination
That's the Way That Love Goes
Rock Away Blind
Turn It On
Down on Rodeo
Wait for You
The Right Place to Fade


just some examples of Lindsey's clear inability to write a hook :lol::rolleyes:

^^^ THIS! And lest we forget "Holiday Road" - a song that is basically 100% "hooks" within both the verses and chorus! :nod:

FuzzyPlum 10-10-2016 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elle (Post 1193477)
Second Hand News
Go Your Own Way
You Do or You Don't
In Our Own Time
Illumination
That's the Way That Love Goes
Rock Away Blind
Turn It On
Down on Rodeo
Wait for You
The Right Place to Fade


just some examples of Lindsey's clear inability to write a hook :lol::rolleyes:

Look no further than FM's most recent release...when Lindsey wants to be Fleetwood Maccy he can be hooky. Sad Angel is really hooky. Infectiously so. I think he just gets a bit weird in his own personal music tastes from time to time and loses focus.

PS
'Hooks' doesn't always necessarily mean good by the way.

AncientQueen 10-10-2016 04:41 PM

Maybe he managed a good song with "Second Hand News", "Go your own way" is a great song, but that has nothing to do with the melody or the refrain. The other songs on the list are - well- they prove my point.

elle 10-10-2016 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sorcerer999 (Post 1193478)
^^^ THIS! And lest we forget "Holiday Road" - a song that is basically 100% "hooks" within both the verses and chorus! :nod:

ha, yeah. :nod:

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum (Post 1193480)
Look no further than FM's most recent release...when Lindsey wants to be Fleetwood Maccy he can be hooky. Sad Angel is really hooky. Infectiously so. I think he just gets a bit weird in his own personal music tastes from time to time and loses focus.

PS
'Hooks' doesn't always necessarily mean good by the way.

yup. just a most recent example.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AncientQueen (Post 1193493)
Maybe he managed a good song with "Second Hand News", "Go your own way" is a great song, but that has nothing to do with the melody or the refrain. The other songs on the list are - well- they prove my point.

are you familiar with these other songs on the list? your post makes me wonder how you define a hook?

A hook is a musical idea, often a short riff, passage, or phrase, that is used in popular music to make a song appealing and to "catch the ear of the listener". The term generally applies to popular music, especially rock, R&B, hip hop, dance, and pop. In these genres, the hook is often found in, or consists of, the chorus. A hook can be either melodic or rhythmic, and often incorporates the main motif for a piece of music.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hook_(music)

AlexD 10-10-2016 07:12 PM

Ancient Queen should be kicked off of The Ledge (No pun intended) for her comments. She is wrong and should be put in jail. If I ran The Ledge, she would be in jail.

~*BellaDonna*~ 10-10-2016 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 1193509)
YES. :] :thumbsup:

Ancient Queen, run for your life! They've grabbed some pitchforks and lit up torches.


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