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chriskisn 05-18-2010 07:40 PM

Is Bekka the best female vocalist of Fleetwood Mac?
 
As Bekka got a bit of a raw deal in the Rumours forum, I thought we would do a poll over here too! The poll is multiple choice, so you can vote for more than one answer!

RickRobert 05-18-2010 07:41 PM

I voted no-oh wait no I didn't :distress: Bekka's got a nice raspy voice for blues, I think maybe focusing on some more Greeny material on the Time tour would have gone over better with Rumours fans since it suits her better. Listen to Eva Cassidy's Need Your Love So Bad, Bekka could have done good with an arrangement like that.

chriskisn 05-18-2010 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RickRobert (Post 890992)
I voted no-oh wait no I didn't :distress: Bekka's got a nice raspy voice for blues, I think maybe focusing on some more Greeny material on the Time tour would have gone over better with Rumours fans since it suits her better. Listen to Eva Cassidy's Need Your Love So Bad, Bekka could have done a good job with an arrangement like that.

Yes she would definitely have done Greeny's stuff well...

holidayroad 05-18-2010 08:47 PM

I like Bekka, but I have to say I prefer Christine!

holidayroad 05-18-2010 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Meowi (Post 891008)
Never listened to Time, and I never will :sorry:

If you like Christine, you should. She has some great songs on Time.

Street_Dreamer 05-18-2010 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Meowi (Post 891008)
Never listened to Time, and I never will :sorry:

Thanks for posting that in this tread. We're all better for having read it.

Matt

Street_Dreamer 05-18-2010 08:54 PM

By the way I voted of course. The best example to me is Bekka's backing vocals in Heart To Call Home on the Bekka and Billy album.

Matt

Miss Vicky 05-18-2010 09:16 PM

I voted for all of the options. :laugh:

Meowi 05-18-2010 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Street_Dreamer (Post 891011)
Thanks for posting that in this tread. We're all better for having read it.

Matt

It's just that, well I like the Rumours era of the Mac.

HomerMcvie 05-18-2010 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meowi (Post 891008)
Never listened to Time, and I never will :sorry:

You are narrow minded, and not a fan of FLEETWOOD MAC.

Meowi 05-18-2010 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 891033)
You are narrow minded, and not a fan of FLEETWOOD MAC.

ZOMG,
I am a fan, I just enjoy the Rumours era better

HomerMcvie 05-18-2010 10:55 PM

Even though Chris is my favorite, by far, Bekka is definitely the most trained singer they've ever had.
Even though I can't stand Dave Mason, I love Blow by Blow, just for Bekka's awesome vocals!

Miss Vicky 05-18-2010 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 891035)
Even though Chris is my favorite, by far, Bekka is definitely the most trained singer they've ever had.
Even though I can't stand Dave Mason, I love Blow by Blow, just for Bekka's awesome vocals!

Agreed. She totally makes that song.

Street_Dreamer 05-19-2010 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Meowi (Post 891027)
It's just that, well I like the Rumours era of the Mac.

That's fine. I'm not a Stevie fan and I don't go posting negativity in her forum. That's all I'm saying.

Matt

Miss Vicky 05-19-2010 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Street_Dreamer (Post 891046)
That's fine. I'm not a Stevie fan and I don't go posting negativity in her forum. That's all I'm saying.

Matt

I do. :laugh:

Meowi 05-19-2010 03:22 AM

I understand now-
Sorry, if I offended you guys.
(I'll just delete the post)

Friends? :blob1::blob2::laugh::woohoo::):lol::thumbsup:

chriskisn 05-19-2010 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meowi (Post 891049)
I understand now-
Sorry, if I offended you guys.
(I'll just delete the post)

Friends? :blob1::blob2::laugh::woohoo::):lol::thumbsup:

Don't worry too much, the post-rumours fans amongst us can be a bit touchy. :)

You should listen to Time though, if only so that you can say "I didn't like that".

The argument is an old one though - Bekka doesn't get the respect she deserves because she was a follow-up to Stevie Nicks - very big shoes to fill. However, if you sit down to appreciate Bekka for her own talent, and forgetting that she replaced Stevie, and forgetting if you want that she was even in Fleetwood Mac, I think you'll discover a very talented woman with a knockout voice.

Meowi 05-19-2010 04:55 AM

So anyone recommend any Bekka tracks off Time for me? :nod:

chriskisn 05-19-2010 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meowi (Post 891059)
So anyone recommend any Bekka tracks off Time for me? :nod:

Well...

Her tracks off the album are Dreamin' The Dream, Nothing Without You and Winds of Change. She also does duet/backing vocals with Billy on Talkin' To My Heart, and some great backing vocals on Dave's Blow By Blow and I Wonder Why (although the latter of these is open to discussion as to whether she can be a bit screechy at the end over the great Dave Mason guitar bit).

Personally I think Dreamin' The Dream is one of the most beautiful songs to come out of Fleetwood Mac - ever. Right up there with Beautiful Child by Stevie Nicks and Man of the World by Peter Green.

Plus, if you want to hear a bit more of Bekka's solo stuff (and of course you do) then go here http://www.myspace.com/bekkabramlett/music/playlists


EDIT

Oh and something else I should mention, her voice has matured a lot since she left Fleetwood Mac, it is way better now than it was then. Go and find "Stay Down In New Orleans" - a brilliant song by Bekka.

aleuzzi 05-19-2010 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 891035)
Even though Chris is my favorite, by far, Bekka is definitely the most trained singer they've ever had.

This is so very true.

On Time, I always felt the band should have let Christine do her solo album and Billy and Bekka could've forged ahead doing their own, distinct thing.

Sorry Dave Mason--you don't fit anywhere in my "should have" fantasies.

ButterCookie 05-19-2010 09:18 AM

I've not voted in the poll, but I do want to say to Meowi, please do listen to Time. Homer encouraged me to and I'm glad I did. I don't enjoy Bekka's voice much (don't anyone please take offence at that, chances are you don't like half the musicians I do) but Christine outshines even her Tango songs on there. Nights in Estoril is in my top 5 favourite songs by Chris. I do agree that Bekka has the most trained voice, I just don't particularly like it. Like Chris said though, listen to Time even if it's just to say you don't like it :)

DefDumbandBlond 05-19-2010 02:15 PM

Where's the ' no ' option? ;)

chiliD 05-19-2010 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by StandbackStevie (Post 891145)
i do not think bekka is the best female singer in FM I saw her on the time tour back in 1995 I believe and I though she was terrible especially to pretend she is Stevie Nicks.

:distress:

The LAST thing Bekka did was "pretend she is Stevie Nicks"...she brought her own whole new thing to Fleetwood Mac.

The sad thing is that too many people in the audience had chiffon colored blinders & earplugs on to notice.

Open minds, people, open minds.

chriskisn 05-19-2010 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DefDumbandBlond (Post 891138)
Where's the ' no ' option? ;)

Why would we need one of those?

chriskisn 05-19-2010 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ButterCookie (Post 891102)
I've not voted in the poll, but I do want to say to Meowi, please do listen to Time. Homer encouraged me to and I'm glad I did. I don't enjoy Bekka's voice much (don't anyone please take offence at that, chances are you don't like half the musicians I do) but Christine outshines even her Tango songs on there. Nights in Estoril is in my top 5 favourite songs by Chris. I do agree that Bekka has the most trained voice, I just don't particularly like it. Like Chris said though, listen to Time even if it's just to say you don't like it :)

Thats ok though, to say, "I've listened to Time a few times, and Bekka's voice just didn't do it for me". I think the same thing about Lindsey Buckingham, but at least I can say I listened. ;)

It really is just those who refuse to listen to Time that cause the angry response (at least from me).

Like I said earlier, Bekka has matured a lot from when I first heard her back in 1995. When I bought Time it was the current album and I thought to myself "This girl has a nice voice" but I wasn't totally into Stevie at that point so it didn't strike me as odd that she wasn't there.

Now having progressed through the years through the Bekka & Billy album and her solo album (or both if you count the one sold at shows) I can see how this young woman has developed an amazing voice and how much it has matured since 1995.

I do encourage anyone who doesn't like her Time stuff to go out and at least listen to her latest album.

ButterCookie 05-20-2010 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by chriskisn (Post 891238)
Like I said earlier, Bekka has matured a lot from when I first heard her back in 1995. When I bought Time it was the current album and I thought to myself "This girl has a nice voice" but I wasn't totally into Stevie at that point so it didn't strike me as odd that she wasn't there.

I made a point of listening to her solo work, just incase it was only Time that I didn't like :) I've never been 'mad' at her for 'trying to replace Stevie', because she just has never done that. Albeit I'm obviously not the biggest Stevie fan on the boards but I'd not want to brand her with something like that when she just didn't do that and had no intentions of doing so. Had she been twirling in black chiffon, maybe then I'd have had something to say on the matter :laugh:

As for the poll, I can't vote unless the entire existance of Christine is wiped from my memory :p

chriskisn 05-20-2010 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ButterCookie (Post 891277)
I made a point of listening to her solo work, just in case it was only Time that I didn't like :)

Hmm... you and I need to discuss Dave Walker sometime :lol:

HomerMcvie 05-20-2010 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiliD (Post 891156)
:distress:

The LAST thing Bekka did was "pretend she is Stevie Nicks"...she brought her own whole new thing to Fleetwood Mac.

The sad thing is that too many people in the audience had chiffon colored blinders & earplugs on to notice.

Open minds, people, open minds.

And I saw Time, and thought she was EXCELLENT! She completely won me over! Stevie Who? :laugh:

Chiffon colored blinders? Can I use that?:laugh:

Open minds, are the last thing, Goatina's fans have ever been accused of possessing.....;)

TrueFaith77 05-20-2010 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meowi (Post 891059)
So anyone recommend any Bekka tracks off Time for me? :nod:

Talkin' to my Heart is my favorite non-Christine song on the album. It's a wooonderful duet.

It's funny to me that groups like Lady Antobellum and Big Little Town etc etc want to be Rumours-era Mac, but can't even get close to "Talkin' to My Heart" much less "Go Your Own Way" . . .


p.s. -- I like Bekka but I would still rank her third to Stevie and Christine who are epic goddesses who influenced music and culture for a reason . . . and their distinctive, special voices had a looot to do with it. Not that Bekka's voice doesn't have personality, cuz it do.

Miss Vicky 05-20-2010 02:01 PM

I'd just like to say one thing;

chili and homie, I love you. :xoxo:

Miss Vicky 05-20-2010 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by StandbackStevie (Post 891364)
I did see the time tour show and only opinion of what I saw if she is her own individual singer for the band she should have sang her own songs only don't try to pretend to be stevie nicks and wearing black chiffon and cloaks singing Stevie songs I am sorry she was pretending to be stevie and I am not the only one on here that says this either about bekka I am sure individually she is an ok singer nothing strong came out of that part of FM that is why she only lasted one cd and tour with just to me that part of FM was not FM to me. And Yes Bekka was trying to pretend to be Stevie when doing Stevie FM songs on that tour. Alot of people got up and was leaving during there performance I left in the middle or after Gold Dust Woman I just don't like other singers trying to pretend to be Stevie my opinion Stevie is Stevie end of story if Bekka was so great in FM she would be still in the band. Stevie Nicks is FM with out Stevie Nicks there is no FM End of Story. Your going to get these opinions when you post survey like this. Sorry if Offend the Bekka fans just my opinion.

Okay, first of all, some punctuation would really make this post a heck of a lot more readable. Just a suggestion.

Secondly, it's always been expected of new members of Fleetwood Mac to sing the songs of the previous incarnations. Stevie and Lindsey had to pay their dues this way as well. Why would Bekka be any different? People always talk about how Stevie was the reason for Fleetwood Mac's huge success (and, for the record, I'm not saying that I agree with that notion). So if that's true, why on earth would Fleetwood Mac drop her songs from their setlist? That doesn't make any sense. And I vaguely recall reading somewhere that Christine did not tour for Time. So if it's pretty much a given that Fleetwood Mac would continue to perform Stevie's songs (as they have done with the songs of ALL other former members), who would you have sing them? Dave Mason?

Get real, people.

ButterCookie 05-20-2010 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StandbackStevie (Post 891364)
nothing strong came out of that part of FM

NIGHTS IN ESTORIL

Quote:

Originally Posted by StandbackStevie (Post 891364)
Stevie Nicks is FM with out Stevie Nicks there is no FM End of Story.

No. Stevie Nicks is NOT Fleetwood Mac. End of Story. Fleetwood Mac formed in 1967... that's SEVEN years before Lindsey and Stevie joined. Stevie is one fifth of one incarnation of Fleetwood Mac. Incarnation, just as Greeny's era is, Bob Welch's era is, Bekka and Dave's era and Rick & Billy's era are. Argh is this for real?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miss Vicky (Post 891376)
And I vaguely recall reading somewhere that Christine did not tour for Time.

No, she didn't :distress:

And like Vicky said, it's normal for different members to sing each others songs. Lindsey singing Green Manalishi, Oh Well... I could go on, but it's likely to be falling on deaf ears.

StreetAngel95 05-20-2010 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StandbackStevie (Post 891364)
Stevie Nicks is FM with out Stevie Nicks there is no FM End of Story.

actually......without Mick Fleetwood and John McVie there is no Fleetwood Mac....

SteveMacD 05-20-2010 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StandbackStevie (Post 891145)
I saw her on the time tour back in 1995 I believe and I though she was terrible especially to pretend she is Stevie Nicks.

She never pretended to be Stevie Nicks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by StandbackStevie (Post 891364)
I did see the time tour show and only opinion of what I saw if she is her own individual singer for the band she should have sang her own songs only don't try to pretend to be stevie nicks and wearing black chiffon and cloaks singing Stevie songs I am sorry she was pretending to be stevie and I am not the only one on here that says this either about bekka

BULL****!

1. Bekka NEVER wore Chiffon.

2. She only sang ONE Stevie Nicks song regularly, Gold Dust Woman. The rest were Christine McVie songs. I don't see Christine McVie fans all up in arms that somebody else sang one of her songs. (Except when Stevie did, but only because she screwed up the lyrics...BADLY.) AND, it was a completely different arrangement. I'd much rather hear a fresh take on a classic than to hear some strung-out cheesy cover by Courtney Love.

3. Why do originals when the band NEVER toured in support of Time? They only toured prior to the album's release. I'm sure they would've done more originals if they weren't doing 12 song sets.

4. The beautiful thing about Bekka Bramlett is that she has famous parents. Watch Bonnie Bramlett on YouTube and try to convince ANYBODY that Bekka was trying to be Stevie 2.

5. USE SOME FRIGGIN' PUNCTUATION. It's already hard enough to take you seriously.

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I am sure individually she is an ok singer nothing strong came out of that part of FM that is why she only lasted one cd and tour with just to me that part of FM was not FM to me.
Well, to be honest, what ACTUALLY happened is that the band stopped touring in Sept., 1995. The album was released in Oct., 1995. The album features Lindsey Buckingham on one song. Christine McVie left after it was released (which was obvious, by her song selection). It was announced that Mick Fleetwood was going to play on Lindsey Buckingham's solo album in Feb., 1996, and then announced that Fleetwood Mac had split in March, 1996. Shortly thereafter, it was announced that John and Christine McVie were playing on Lindsey's album. Then, "Twisted" came out in May, 1996. Later in 1996, Bekka & Billy was released. To me, it looks a lot like Lindsey was trying to break up that Mac so that he could get the Rumours band back together. Could it be he wanted that because his own solo masterpiece sold about 50,000 copies? In his defense, Bramlett and Burnette had post-Mac plans while still in the band.

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And Yes Bekka was trying to pretend to be Stevie when doing Stevie FM songs on that tour.
SongS? You mean that ONE version of Gold Dust Woman that was a completely different arrangement than Stevie's? Because, THAT was the only song she did. Only one, and it was completely different.

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I just don't like other singers trying to pretend to be Stevie
She sang a Stevie song. That hardly equates to pretending to be Stevie. By that logic, Courtney Love, Billy Corgan, the Dixie Chicks, and Waylon Jennings were pretending to be Stevie Nicks. And, if I were a Stevie fan, I think it would have been a bigger insult not having ANY Stevie songs. Wouldn't that have sent the message that the band really felt that Stevie's contributions to Fleetwood Mac were minimal? Hell, I'm still pissed they dropped "Oh Well" for two tours, and haven't played Danny Kirwan or Bob Welch songs since the late '70s, let alone a Jeremy Spencer-Elmore James cover (specifically, "Shake Your Moneymaker").

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if Bekka was so great in FM she would be still in the band.
I'm pretty sure she wanted to do more country than she was allowed, and wanted out. See, most people LEAVE Fleetwood Mac. I'm sure the split was mutual.

Quote:

Stevie Nicks is FM with out Stevie Nicks there is no FM End of Story.
So why did Christine McVie have more hit singles with Fleetwood Mac? Also, Peter Green.

SteveMacD 05-20-2010 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StreetAngel95 (Post 891380)
actually......without Mick Fleetwood and John McVie there is no Fleetwood Mac....

Which begs the question...Why has Fleetwood Mac never played "Werewolves Of London" in concert? I know it's not required, but it would've been an amazing gesture to Warren Zevon.

StandbackStevie 05-20-2010 04:56 PM

I am not starting an arguement with anyone about bekka and yes I am aware of her mother as a singer and song writer. I just do not prefer the bekka and Dave Mason era of fleetwood mac. . I love all the eras of Fleetwood Mac have been a fan since I was 9 years old back in 1979. So I have all the FM albums and cd's except the time cd i should listen to it before I make comments i am only commenting what i saw in the concert performance not bekka as a recording artists singer and song writer. Yes I do have problem with grammar sorry for my stupidity but that is the way i type sorry. I have been a fan of FM and Stevie Nicks for 31 years and counting. I am sorry for offending bekka fans don't mean to offend anyone.

I don't want to have people hate me for my opinion Bekka is a great singer in her own right and yes I am familiar with her mother and acting,singing and song writing as well. I am stupid but not that stupid. Sorry for my stupid comments in previous posts. I will not say negative thing about Bekka or Dave Mason actually he is playing solo at a club here in Connecticut in a month or so at Infinity Hall in Norfolk, Connecticut not sure when the place only holds 300 seats they have some big names that play there pretty cool place. here is the link to the hall is about an hour away from where I live.


http://www.infinityhall.com/events/dave-mason-1




sorry again to everyone for my stupid posts and bad grammar posts. I apologize to all who have been mad with me about my posts with bekka. Please forgive me I am a true Fleetwood Mac Fan and I dont want anyone hating me that is not me and sorry again.

StandbackStevie 05-20-2010 05:21 PM

here is a clip from the tour i found on you tube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES7Gs...eature=related

I remember a different version of her doing this song and she did come out in a black cloak i definetly remember that she did do. I definelty don't remember her doing it this way. I am loving this version of Gold Dust Woman.

chiliD 05-20-2010 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 891386)
SongS? You mean that ONE version of Gold Dust Woman that was a completely different arrangement than Stevie's? Because, THAT was the only song she did. Only one, and it was completely different.

She DID do "Dreams" at the show I saw on that tour. "Nailed, it!!!!!"

Her version of "Gold Dust Woman" is my favorite Fleetwood Mac version of the song...BECAUSE that incarnation of the band took it to a place it hadn't gone before. It would be really cool to hear Fleetwood Mac PLAY this arrangement with Stevie singing, just to hear if it was the arrangement that I liked, or Bekka's vocal stylings.

(that said, my favorite all-time verson of "Gold Dust Woman" was the one that Stevie did in live Central Park with Sheryl Crow's band)

Since the horse still has a pulse....it would be no different than if Fleetwood Mac would've toured WITH Christine, but without a 2nd female vocalist....you don't think Christine would've had to put up with SOME sort of internal band pressure to sing at least one, MAYBE two of Stevie's tunes in concert? Maybe, when it comes right down to it, the fear of THAT was why Christine announced she was leaving the band, too, in 1990 right after Stevie did.

StandbackStevie 05-20-2010 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD (Post 891415)
She DID do "Dreams" at the show I saw on that tour. "Nailed, it!!!!!"

Her version of "Gold Dust Woman" is my favorite Fleetwood Mac version of the song...BECAUSE that incarnation of the band took it to a place it hadn't gone before. It would be really cool to hear Fleetwood Mac PLAY this arrangement with Stevie singing, just to hear if it was the arrangement that I liked, or Bekka's vocal stylings.

(that said, my favorite all-time verson of "Gold Dust Woman" was the one that Stevie did in live Central Park with Sheryl Crow's band)

Since the horse still has a pulse....it would be no different than if Fleetwood Mac would've toured WITH Christine, but without a 2nd female vocalist....you don't think Christine would've had to put up with SOME sort of internal band pressure to sing at least one, MAYBE two of Stevie's tunes in concert? Maybe, when it comes right down to it, the fear of THAT was why Christine announced she was leaving the band, too, in 1990 right after Stevie did.

I though she did dreams as well I know they opened liked they alway did with The Chain maybe during the chain she came out in a black cloak i remember distinctly. The Tour I saw there show was the 70's tour i think they called

Orleans
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Fleetwood Mac

I want to say the show was in june of 1995 not sure about the date it was either June or July of 1995 it was in Hartford at The Meadows Music Thearte now the comcast thearte.

was this the same tour everyone saw the bekka and dave mason version of FM the same one I saw?

chiliD 05-20-2010 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by StandbackStevie (Post 891421)
was this the same tour everyone saw the bekka and dave mason version of FM the same one I saw?

They only did one tour...from mid-1994 to September 1995. I saw them in October 1994....Roger McGuinn (of The Byrds) did a solo acoustic set to open the show.

During FMac's set, Bekka introduced her mom and Bonnie came out to help out on a KICK A$$ version of Dave Mason's "Only You Know & I Know". High energy...just made me think of what I missed by never taking the opportunity to see Delaney & Bonnie & Friends when I had the chance. For their final encore number, they did a really torchy blues version of John Lennon's "Imagine", being that it was within a few days of John's BD, it was quite emotional. There were probably 15,000 or so people at the concert (which was outdoors in a County Park, bright sunny day...probably about 80-85 degrees)...on the hike back to the car, I didn't hear any derrogatory remarks about the "new version" of Fleetwood Mac...everybody was energized...."they were awesome!"..."that new chick kicked a$$!!!", "Wow! Cool, Dave Mason's in Fleetwood Mac now!", etc, etc.


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