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MacMan 10-14-2006 09:13 AM

Buckingham's new disc fails to get "Under the Skin" (Review)
 
This guy is an idiot to begin with.... Catch the section where he talks about I am Waiting and To Try For The Sun... He talks about them like Lindsey wrote the lyrics...


Buckingham's new disc fails to get "Under the Skin"
by Bill Zaferos

http://onmilwaukee.com/music/articles/lindsey.html?9914

It’s been 14 years since Lindsey Buckingham released his last album, “Out of the Cradle.”

Perhaps if he had spent another year working on his new one, the aptly named “Under the Skin,” he might have come up with a more coherent, listenable work.

It’s not that it’s awful, it’s just that there’s no there there. The disc lacks cohesiveness and is ultimately just plain boring. There’s not even one number that gets under your skin, in a good way at least.

Listening to “Under the Skin” it’s hard to believe Buckingham was behind the distinctive guitar sound of Fleetwood Mac’s great hits, and harder to believe he wrote “Go Your Own Way” or even the catchy “Trouble” from his 1981 “Law and Order” album. Not even something as lovely as “Soul Drifter” from his last album, “Out of the Cradle,” makes an appearance on this one.

“Under the Skin” is just a ponderous piece of fluff with whispering vocals and goofball lyrics that doesn’t hold up well under repeated listens.

For example, catch these lyrics to the first tedious cut, “Not Too Late:” “Reading the paper/saw a review/said I was a visionary/but nobody knew/Now that’s been a problem/feeling unseen/just like I’m living somebody’s dream.” Visionary? Nothing on “Under the Skin” indicates much vision.

And “unseen”? Lindsey Buckingham? Please. He’s not exactly a guy who’s been laboring in obscurity, although “Under the Skin” may at least relegate him further into irrelevance unless he re-unites with his Mac mates again. Fast.

Put the lyrics of “Not Too Late” over an unending arpeggio and you have a formless mishmash that shows off Buckingham’s guitar skills but does little for the listener. And this is the guy who performed the beautiful lead on Fleetwood Mac’s “Gypsy.”

Or take the second track, “I Am Waiting,” where Buckingham double tracks his voice over the words, “I am waiting, oh yeah, oh yeah, I am waiting, oh yeah” followed by “you can’t hold out oh yeah oh yeah” repeated and then followed by “you can’t hold out you can’t hold out oh yeah oh yeah,” also repeated and followed by some metaphor about a winter storm and more repetitions about being fast or slow.

And when he starts singing, well it’s not so much singing as it is breathing, about gypsy girls in derelict buildings making beds out of rain and tears on “To Try for the Sun,” well, it’s hard not to snicker. There’s a little bit of melody in the underlying guitar, but it’s hard to get past the faux poetry in this apparent tale of innocent love.

OK, so maybe “Castaway Dreams” is sweetly tuneful, but lyrics like “holy light visionary sight there’s been a change in plans” just make it seem dopey. (By the way, there’s that visionary word again.)

While no one can read Buckingham’s mind, “Under the Skin” seems an attempt at increasing Buckingham’s reputation as a “serious” musician. Well, no one ever doubted that. But serious doesn’t mean dull, and that’s what “Under the Skin” is. It’s one thing to challenge listeners, to attempt new styles, to stretch beyond the pop sensibility. But it’s another thing altogether to put people to sleep. The only challenge with “Under the Skin” is playing it past the fifth of 11 cuts.

Ultimately, “Under the Skin” is a throwaway; something that only the most devoted fans will appreciate. It may break Hootie and the Blowfish’s record for most copies in resale CD bins, but that’s assuming anyone had the misfortune of buying it in the first place.

If you'd like to comment on this article (like four others have already... here's the link: http://www.onmilwaukee.com/talkback/...s/lindsey.html)

markolas 10-14-2006 09:18 AM

Some people (like this guy, obviously) have no taste. What can you say? :shrug:

johndoe 10-14-2006 09:19 AM

Haha I was actually going to post this. The guys an ass. And I say that not only because hes making fun of one of my musical idols, and because I'm an obessed fan boy, but because the guys takes every single chance to make bad jokes about it. FOR SHAME.

JazmenFlowers 10-14-2006 09:22 AM

chiffonheads know how this story goes all too well. stupid. I guess personal taste is essential for a reviewer. too bad this one has none.

face of glass 10-14-2006 09:48 AM

Stylus Magazine (review)
 
I'm not sure if a negative review that falls into the usual trap of making cheap jokes at every turn is much worse than the usual positive pseudo-analytical review like this one at Stylus Magazine. But at least they recognize the awesomeness of Holiday Road:

http://stylusmagazine.com/review.php?ID=4476
Quote:

Lindsey Buckingham
Under the Skin
Warner Bros.
2006
B+

The world is a sadder place without another “Holiday Road.” Despite a Top Ten hit in 1981 (the ethereal “Trouble”) and 30 years of renown as Fleetwood Mac’s extraordinary guitarist, producer, and arranger, Lindsey Buckingham’s audience can be forgiven for assuming that the frizzy-haired weirdo’s niggardly hoarding of dulcet trinkets is one more idiosyncrasy in a career replete with them. Under the Skin doesn’t have any songs on the level of “Holiday Road”’s determined stupidity, but, still, what a relief to enjoy the company of a fiftysomething musician whose imponderable wealth encourages him to act stupid with a bunch of stringed instruments and a mixing board, instead of buttressing a McCartney-esque complacency.

Buckingham’s fourth solo album brandishes all the familiar indulgences: the auteur’s multitracked harmonies and fingerpicked nylon guitar glissandos as hooks; lyrics no more than taglines; and an excellent taste in covers (here it’s Donovan and a lovely, limpid “I Am Waiting”). Under the Skin uses the spartan take on “Big Love” he recorded for 1997’s The Dance as a blueprint; subverting the original’s dynamic by recasting the raucous as ruminative, Buckingham captured the ardor of middle-age sex without resorting to pelvic thrusts and lumpen lyrical innuendos. Or inappropriate overdubs—as “Show You How” shows us. Thanks to low strummed notes and the merest suggestion of percussion, Buckingham delineates the intensity with which aging bodies slide into each other upon discovering that it’s only nice because it’s naughty. “You can wake up from a dream and see your better half,” he whispers with modest eloquence. “It Was You” conveys the same kind of erotic awakening, thanks to a chorus of overdubbed Lindseys belching the uncaged yawp of his id.

There isn’t another rock and roller of Buckingham’s generation with such an inflated reputation for plush arrangements when, really, he’s the only one who keeps the Mellotrons and brass bands on the top shelf of his closet. Tusk and Tango in the Night—the Fleetwood Mac albums which bear his fingerprints most prominently—are so memorable because the songs rarely dissolved into the wobbly reverbed spareness of the former and programmed textures of the latter. Asceticism like Buckingham’s can chaff and balk: it’s a dialectic of such fragility that I’m not surprised Mick Fleetwood and John McVie tiptoe into a room before asking him to rejoin the Mac. It’s a rather mundane kind of dialectic that lends “Not Too Late” its tension. How many songs combine subjects as vile as the artist’s caviling at critics’ expectations and the wonderfulness of bearing children? Avoiding psychoanalytic jargon, Buckingham undercuts his own awareness of being underrated by acknowledging that his children regard their father’s hibernal retreats into the studio as, well, fishy: “My children look away / They don’t know what to say.”

Admissions like this make me wish Buckingham was allowed to use them on Fleetwood Mac albums. As beguiling as much of Under the Skin is, these songs would benefit from the Mac’s supple, still-underrated rhythm section, not to mention the harmonies of fellow ditz Stevie Nicks and much-missed Christine McVie—as the album’s only group track “Down On Rodeo” reminds us. Studio nuts that keep their principles through marriage and childbirth are a commodity for which a band should pay any price to acquire, especially if VH1 Classic and ILM are embalming them.

Gazza 10-14-2006 09:59 AM

The first reviewer seemed completely unaware that I Am Waiting was a Rolling Stones song. What more to expect from such a vitriolic prat I guess. I don't mind negative reviews, but please, show a little respect to the time and effort someone has put into their work. These overbearingly smug critics, and the God awful amatuer critics you are confronted by on the net (who seem to be in competition with the real ones on how smug you can be), really do seem to have no real appreciation of anything. Even when they're writing a good review, they do so in a half hearted way. Horrid, cynical, and usually miserable people.

lilith2 10-14-2006 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by face of glass (Post 582199)
I'm not sure if a negative review that falls into the usual trap of making cheap jokes at every turn is much worse than the usual positive pseudo-analytical review like this one at Stylus Magazine. But at least they recognize the awesomeness of Holiday Road:

http://stylusmagazine.com/review.php?ID=4476

I would like to see 2 things stop with the positive and negative reviews:
1. Stop analysing LB the person.
2. Stop the Mac references.
These topics, especially in short reviews, are too easy to speculate on and make for easy distraction from the new music on UTS that they are supposedly reviewing. (IMO)

xhector 10-14-2006 10:28 AM

Excellent. Some short minded people bashes the work, just like in all Lindsey's best material. That's a good sign.
Keep them coming! :thumbsup:

shackin'up 10-14-2006 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by xhector (Post 582209)
Excellent. Some short minded people bashes the work, just like in all Lindsey's best material. That's a good sign.
Keep them coming! :thumbsup:


Yeah, xhector, yer right. I expected this. It's always been the same. Any LB-album is easy to bash. Only when you let it breathe it reveals it's beauty. To be honest, I'm quite shocked about the amount of positive reviews. Normally reviewers judge in an instant. Like this one.

SortaSavageLike 10-14-2006 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by face of glass (Post 582199)
I'm not sure if a negative review that falls into the usual trap of making cheap jokes at every turn is much worse than the usual positive pseudo-analytical review like this one at Stylus Magazine. But at least they recognize the awesomeness of Holiday Road:

http://stylusmagazine.com/review.php?ID=4476

Pretentious twats! :rolleyes:

This is how you write:

Quote:

There are three Stevies. The fey, diaphanous Stevie, the mystical Stevie, and the "I’m gonna bash you across the face with my Platform Boots of Death if you don’t knock it off" Stevie. Bella Donna is all three Stevies at once. As she sings in the title track, it was time to "come in out of the darkness." Oh yeah, and to fling lots of venom at a certain curly-haired guitarist.

Stanley 10-14-2006 11:48 AM

Reviewers are people with opinions who figured out how to foist them on the unsuspecting masses, or as in the case of the Milwaukee web site, the unsuspecting three readers that make up its audience. What can you do? The reviewer didn't seem to bother to read the liner notes or to even notice that I Am Waiting isn't the second song on the CD. Did he skip to it from the first track? Who cares what he thinks anyway?

estranged4life 10-14-2006 12:10 PM

I like reading reviews, be it good or bad.

The bad reviews make me wonder what the reviewer is hearing that I am obviously not.

nichora 10-14-2006 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by estranged4life (Post 582227)
I like reading reviews, be it good or bad.

The bad reviews make me wonder what the reviewer is hearing that I am obviously not.


You mean:
makes me wonder what the review is NOT hearing that I obviously am.
:laugh:

dontlookdown 10-14-2006 01:10 PM

I don't find anything pretentious about the Milwaukee reviewer. Instead, I find his writing to be on the level of most community college newspapers.
Clearly, he's got no foundation in music or rock and roll. And he didn't bother to read the liner notes and credits. What's more pathetic - the fact that he wasn't aware of the Rolling Stones and Donovan covers or the fact that he never did his homework to see who wrote all the tracks?
Taste in music is subjective but there's no excuse for sloppy journalism. Journalism that my grade school relatives could easily live up to and surpass with their own writing.

All that aside, I know Lindsey will eat this up and he'll laugh. It's certainly the first case of life imitating art since Under The Skin was released. Does he not get the point of this record? Is he not aware of Lindsey's whole take on the music business, critics, and how is career fits in to all that?
Oh well. I'll continue to enjoy the reviews from every single major newspaper in every major market of the United States. All of them gave Under The Skin glowing reviews. Pity the poor people in Milwaukee who have to be subjected to such ****ty writing.

Do I sound defensive?

DrummerDeanna 10-14-2006 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by lilith2 (Post 582205)
I
2. Stop the Mac references.


I dont' think that's ever going to happen. :shrug:

I love the album - but I can completely see where some people would not..a lot of it is not melodic and "easy to sing to" and that trips a lot of people out.

DavidMn 10-14-2006 02:47 PM

He's probably some 20 something who thinks Lindsey's a woman!:mad: :lol:

Livia 10-14-2006 05:25 PM

Gerald - I deleted the other thread I posted w/ the same review - I didn't notice this one. You asked me what I thought of UTS - I haven't bought it yet! :eek: I like what I've heard so far, but I think I can already tell I won't like it as much as OOTC.

strandinthewind 10-14-2006 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 582386)
Gerald - I deleted the other thread I posted w/ the same review - I didn't notice this one. You asked me what I thought of UTS - I haven't bought it yet! :eek: I like what I've heard so far, but I think I can already tell I won't like it as much as OOTC.

I think, like LB has implied if not stated, this CD is not a pop CD - - it is focused on one element - or one style. If that style is not your cup of tea, your not going to like the CD, etc. It is not my cup of tea, but I see the vast talent behind it.

shackin'up 10-14-2006 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strandinthewind (Post 582393)
I think, like LB has implied if not stated, this CD is not a pop CD - - it is focused on one element - or one style. If that style is not your cup of tea, your not going to like the CD, etc. It is not my cup of tea, but I see the vast talent behind it.

I can totally relate to that strand. But even if it's not yer cupatea, I'm sure that if you give it multiple play it grows on you. There are some Save Me A Place whiny-irriation-parts on it. You know how that one grew to you. I had second thoughts by listening it the first ten times, but it's an album that's absolutely revealing a lot by invitating it under your skin.

strandinthewind 10-14-2006 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shackin'up (Post 582396)
I can totally relate to that strand. But even if it's not yer cupatea, I'm sure that if you give it multiple play it grows on you. There are some Save Me A Place whiny-irriation-parts on it. You know how that one grew to you. I had second thoughts by listening it the first ten times, but it's an album that's absolutely revealing a lot by invitating it under your skin.

I think the music (for the most part) is brilliant and he actually showed some restraint in the correct (to these ears places) -- its the voice that kind of gets to me. But, do not get me wrong, it is very listenable to me - Its just not my fav. from him - though I think it is good.

I like him best in songs like Trouble, Holiday Road, SMAP, etc. But, that is all just my own taste.

shackin'up 10-14-2006 06:10 PM

well, I fell in love with SUD So friggin'hard that the rest of his voice on this album is not a prob anymore:laugh: . But I can totally imagine that people get a turn-off of his vocals on this album. My girlfriend even walks out of the house when I play it.....And we're still together!!:eek: :laugh:

strandinthewind 10-14-2006 06:16 PM

LOL - poor thing - trust me when I say many a person I dated will NEVER listen to FM or La Nicks again :laugh:

markolas 10-14-2006 09:23 PM

I like the album a lot, and think it's definitely better than his first two albums, and on a par with Out of the Cradle (and I may even like it better than that one, but time will tell). It certainly blows most of what he did on SYW out of the water.

As far as getting back in the studio with FM...after hearing how brilliant this album is, I really am inclined to think the group drags him down (again, SYW).

Yeah, his voice has aged, but so what? At a certain point, it's all about what you do with what you've got anyway.

I don't see the "classic rock" crowd going for this at all, but it's their loss, and I certainly wouldn't let them dictate to me what a great album is.

strandinthewind 10-14-2006 09:30 PM

Its not so much that his voice has aged - - I just think the almost whisper aspect is not the best presentation, though it is in line with the unplugged aspect, etc. All in all, I applaud LB for doing something so different and so musically challenging (I am unsure if that is the right description) -- I mean who else pushes the envelope like that. AND - he did it on SYW as well with Murrow, Miranda, and Come. The man is a mad genius, which is why IMO he is not as popular as many with lesser talent are. He reminds me of Peter Gabriel in his quirkyness - and to me, that is greatness to be mentioned in the same breath as Peter G. - - who, interestingly, I believe could not stand the mainstream nature of Genesis, which was brilliant, but not like Peter G.

markolas 10-14-2006 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strandinthewind (Post 582455)
Its not so much that his voice has aged - - I just think the almost whisper aspect is not the best presentation, though it is in line with the unplugged aspect, etc.

So, it's too mellow for your taste, in other words?

Quote:

All in all, I applaud LB for doing something so different and so musically challenging (I am unsure if that is the right description) -- I mean who else pushes the envelope like that. AND - he did it on SYW as well with Murrow, Miranda, and Come. The man is a mad genius, which is why IMO he is not as popular as many with lesser talent are. He reminds me of Peter Gabriel in his quirkyness - and to me, that is greatness to be mentioned in the same breath as Peter G. - - who, interestingly, I believe could not stand the mainstream nature of Genesis, which was brilliant, but not like Peter G.
See, to me, UTS is a very accessible album. Not "Go Your Own Way" accessible (which to me is kind of boring), but I totally don't get the charges that this album is "non-melodic," or you can't sing to it, or it needs a rhythm section. Am I nuts?

And I do like some of his stuff on SYW - Miranda, Say Goodbye, and Red Rover, especially. And I also think a lot of that was pretty accessible, too. Quirky, perhaps, but definitely very "pop."

Macfanforever 10-14-2006 10:57 PM

Ah my personal opinion about music and movie critics is, they are stupid , they are lazy to get a real reporting job. to scared to get the real stories , instead
of writing bullcrap like this dumb review, ya this bozo just got "Under My Skin"
Give Lindsey a break.I've have not get the chance to get the cd yet, but I will be getting it very soon. but this idiot will not stop me.

strandinthewind 10-14-2006 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markolas (Post 582459)
. . . And I also think a lot of that was pretty accessible, too. Quirky, perhaps, but definitely very "pop."

LB will always push the envelope and still be quasi mainstream - sort of like Prince - because LB sort of dicates that medium -- I mean when GYOW was released, it was rather unique and look at GDW - which I always will suggest was an ironic precursor to Tusk.

Nico 10-14-2006 11:20 PM

Wasn't it John Lennon who said that most music critics are really just musical artists who couldn't make it...or something like that. I'm not affected too much by reviews anymore, especially as I've grown older. It used to matter so much what others thought, but now not so much. I think this is an album that needs to grow on people. The most upsetting thing to me, though, is some of the crap people are writing on Amazon.com. But, oh well...everyone's entitled to their opinion.

I believe it is a beautiful, fantastic piece of work. I'm in love with it. If others aren't, that's their loss I suppose.:shrug:

strandinthewind 10-14-2006 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nico (Post 582470)
Wasn't it John Lennon who said that most music critics are really just musical artists who couldn't make it...or something like that. I'm not affected too much by reviews anymore, especially as I've grown older. It used to matter so much what others thought, but now not so much. I think this is an album that needs to grow on people. The most upsetting thing to me, though, is some of the crap people are writing on Amazon.com. But, oh well...everyone's entitled to their opinion.

I believe it is a beautiful, fantastic piece of work. I'm in love with it. If others aren't, that's their loss I suppose.:shrug:

What I can't stand is when the so called professionals write unlearned crap like this hack did. I mean if you are going to speak out against it, do the minimal research, which this fool did not do. I mean I can take someone saying it is not to their liking because they do not like the structure of the songs, the melodies, the writing, etc. But, this bozo dod not do that to any rational degree.

tuigirl 10-15-2006 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shackin'up (Post 582401)
well, I fell in love with SUD So friggin'hard that the rest of his voice on this album is not a prob anymore:laugh: . But I can totally imagine that people get a turn-off of his vocals on this album. My girlfriend even walks out of the house when I play it.....And we're still together!!:eek: :laugh:

Yeah, maybe I should have posted my review over on this thread intead of the "official "one. This is the exact problem, I have with this CD and honestly, I can understand how ur girlfriend can walk out of the house (because of the vocals).I hate to say it but there came a point where I had to just turn it off .It's just me, I love his quirky, upbeat, dark stuff and all this (for me) is just a bit too mushy.It's only my opinion, and on the whole it's nice to see all the positive reviews in general about it.I could actually try and listen to it numerous times in the hopes of it "growing " on me, but honestly, truly, I don't think I can do it (or really want to) Guess, this one is just not my cuppa tea...can't wait for it's sequel though:]

estranged4life 10-15-2006 04:26 AM

Like the saying goes...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nico (Post 582470)
Wasn't it John Lennon who said that most music critics are really just musical artists who couldn't make it...or something like that.

"Those who can't...Teach"

or like I say

"Those who can't...Critique"

shackin'up 10-15-2006 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tuigirl (Post 582506)
Yeah, maybe I should have posted my review over on this thread intead of the "official "one. This is the exact problem, I have with this CD and honestly, I can understand how ur girlfriend can walk out of the house (because of the vocals).I hate to say it but there came a point where I had to just turn it off .It's just me, I love his quirky, upbeat, dark stuff and all this (for me) is just a bit too mushy.It's only my opinion, and on the whole it's nice to see all the positive reviews in general about it.I could actually try and listen to it numerous times in the hopes of it "growing " on me, but honestly, truly, I don't think I can do it (or really want to) Guess, this one is just not my cuppa tea...can't wait for it's sequel though:]

Still....give it a chance Tuigirl, the "screwed up"-production, like the man said himself, can be irritating on the surface, but it REALLY covers alot of musicality that's in there when you listen through it. On that point it adds a certain tension that makes it all worth while. I'm beginning to LOVE the production now although I had second thoughts at first listen.

tuigirl 10-15-2006 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shackin'up (Post 582512)
Still....give it a chance Tuigirl, the "screwed up"-production, like the man said himself, can be irritating on the surface, but it REALLY covers alot of musicality that's in there when you listen through it. On that point it adds a certain tension that makes it all worth while. I'm beginning to LOVE the production now although I had second thoughts at first listen.

See, I'd like to( but my mind is telling me no, one listen is enough for me)..but I can't! I really can't physically find myself putting a copy in my player (as I'm unlikely to go out and buy it).I know, that if I did buy it, I'd never play it.Very annoying I know.Of course I wouldn't give up on him altogether, nooo...I'll just have to wait longer for the next one!
I'm glad you like it so much, I'm sure you are the fans that LB really wants to make his music for and I'm sure he appreciates all the positive comments from.The problem with me is...I like his alter ego too much to give this Cd another shot.

Lee 10-15-2006 11:51 AM

Under The Skin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 582386)
Gerald - I deleted the other thread I posted w/ the same review - I didn't notice this one. You asked me what I thought of UTS - I haven't bought it yet! :eek: I like what I've heard so far, but I think I can already tell I won't like it as much as OOTC.


Yeah, me, too. I've heard some of the songs on his website. I really love OOTC. In fact, I've been playing it a lot lately, all last week. From the songs I've heard on UTS, I'm just not convinced I'd like it. And I've read the reviews & they seem to be mixed, so that is kind of keeping me on the fence about buying it, too. :shrug:

Lee :)


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