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SisterNightroad 03-09-2017 08:37 AM

Stevie Nicks: Recording ‘Tango’ in my ex-boyfriend’s bedroom was ‘extremely strange’
 
Stevie Nicks: Recording ‘Tango’ in my ex-boyfriend’s bedroom was ‘extremely strange’


On Friday, March 10, Fleetwood Mac releases a 30th anniversary expanded edition of one of its most popular and influential albums, “Tango in the Night.” The lavishly packaged reissue offers a remastered version of the original album, a disc of B-sides and outtakes, plus another disc of 12-inch dance mixes of its hit singles like “Big Love” and “Little Lies” and a vinyl LP.

The 30th anniversary edition of Fleetwood Mac’s 1987 album, “Tango in the Night,” hits retail on March 10. The album includes four Top 40 singles, “Big Love,” “Seven Wonders,” “Little Lies” and “Everywhere” and remains the last studio album to feature the original “Rumours” lineup.

For Stevie Nicks, the group’s star attraction, recording her parts for the 1987 album proved difficult. After the completion of a ragged tour for her third solo album, 1985’s “Rock a Little,” she went into rehab at the Betty Ford Center for a cocaine addiction. After her release, she was misguidedly placed on a Klonopin regimen. Few in her inner circle thought rehab would stick unless she was dosed on anxiety medication. They were wrong.

Her first test: joining her Fleetwood Mac band mates for the 1986 tracking sessions for “Tango in the Night.” The band hadn’t recorded since the release of “Mirage” in 1982.

Nicks’ ex-boyfriend Lindsey Buckingham, the group’s guitarist, was co-producing the band’s efforts, again, but this time the tension was poisonous, even by Fleetwood Mac’s standards.

“When I started recording for ‘Tango,’ they were recording at Lindsey’s house up on Mulholland somewhere. He lived there with his girlfriend Cheri and this record was being recorded at his house and I didn’t find that to be a great situation for me. Especially coming out of rehab,” Nicks said in an interview last year. “And then I was on Klonopin and not quite understanding why I was feeling so weird and this doctor kept saying, ‘This is what you need.’ It’s the typical scenario of a groupie doctor. Discuss rock and roll with you, so in order to do that he would keep upping your dose so you’d come in once a week.”

Nicks sets the scenario: “I can remember going up there and not being happy to even be there and we were doing vocals in their master bedroom and that was extremely strange. In all fairness, it was like the only empty room and they had a beautiful master bedroom all set up like a vocal booth but I found it very uncomfortable, personally. I guess I didn’t go very often and when I did go I would get like, ‘Give me a shot of brandy and let me sing on four or five songs off the top of my head.’”

At her urging, Nicks said, Buckingham would cue up one of his songs or Christine McVie’s. Stevie would blend in like she always had. Except it wasn’t like she always had.

“I’d leave and he’d take all my vocals off,” Nicks said. “And I’m not blaming him for that because I’m sure they totally sucked. Vocals done when you’re crazy and drinking a cup of brandy probably aren’t usually going to be great and Lindsey is very precise when recording. … I wasn’t into it.”

For all of its problems in creation, “Tango in the Night” was a hit with consumers worldwide. In the U.S. the album spent 44 weeks in the Billboard Top 40 and spawned five chart singles, the biggest being McVie’s infectious “Little Lies.” The album was ultimately a hit with Nicks, as well. She feels the songs Buckingham contributed to the album — “Big Love,” “Caroline,” the title track, “Family Man” and his cowrite with McVie, “Isn’t it Midnight” — represent his best set of songs on any Fleetwood Mac album.

“Tango” has grown in stature since its release. The band has oft-been cited as an inspiration by alternative pop, rock and country acts like the Dixie Chicks, Little Big Town, Smashing Pumpkins, R.E.M., Hole, Haim, Sheryl Crow, Mumford and Sons, Ladies of the Canyon, Best Coast and Camper Van Beethoven.

“Tango in the Night” songs have been covered by a growing number of next generation and vintage acts. Vampire Weekend and Moustache each recorded McVie’s “Everywhere,” as did R&B star Chaka Khan. Singer-actress Hillary Duff, Ari Hest and Anna Ternheim all cut “Little Lies.” One Direction might as well be covering a “Tango” or “Mirage” track, given how close the British boy band channeled ’80s Fleetwood Mac on the 2016 cut, “What a Feeling.” Ditto Little Big Town on “Night On Our Side,” a track from the country group’s new album, “The Breaker.”

Since McVie’s return to the band in 2014, the “Tango in the Night” material has once again taken its place in the band’s concert setlist with her “Little Lies” and “Everywhere” among the highlights. Nicks’ “Seven Wonders” even returned on the 2014-15 On With the Show Tour’s first leg for the first time in 27 years, thanks to its featured spot during her acting debut on FX’s “American Horror Story: Coven” in 2014.

The “Tango” reissue’s remastering reinvigorates the music in a way the original 1987 CD release never could. There’s a new sense of muscle to the Mick Fleetwood-John McVie rhythm section on the title track. There’s air in the mix, allowing for the intricate harmonies and instrumentation — both organic and synthesized — to reveal its subtle layers. Disc three of the deluxe package offers 14 tracks of 12-inch remixes by that decade’s prominent DJs and remixers Arthur Baker and Jellybean. Fleetwood Mac, like seemingly everyone else in the Me Decade, found its footing in the dance clubs.

Some of the unearthed B-sides and outtakes, like McVie’s exotic and percussive “Ricky” and Buckingham’s hook-filled “Down Endless Street” and reflective “Special Kind of Love” are superior to a handful of songs that made the original 12-track running order.

“Tango” remains the last studio album to feature Fleetwood Mac’s “Rumours” lineup. Alas, Nicks’ discomfort in the studio shows in her performances. Her best song here, “Seven Wonders,” was actually written by Texan composer Sandy Stewart. Nicks contributed one line. “I was so used to saying ‘All the way down to Emmiline’ so we used that. I asked Sandy, a really good friend of mine, and she said fine. It totally created a character. It was a song I loved. … And on that show [“AHS”] I got to make a full-on music video,” said Nicks.

“Welcome to the Room…Sara” is Nicks’ oddest song, with vocals that veer off-key, but as the reissue reveals, it’s among her most personal.

With lyrics cribbed from Nicks’ Bella Donna outtake, “Blue Lamp,” the song is redeemed musically mostly by Fleetwood’s inventive, island-flavored drum pattern. The music, Nicks said, was inspired by the 1986 David + David hit, “Welcome to the Boomtown.”

‘“Welcome to the Room … Sara’ was written about Betty Ford [Center.] I went in there as Sara Anderson – the one and only time I was married, to my friend Robin’s husband Kim Anderson,” said Nicks. “I was inspired by the fact when you go into Betty Ford it is like, ‘Welcome to the room whoever you are,’ because it is one big room and you spend 30 days in there. Quite an experience you go through from day one to day 30. … It is a little more weird when you are famous. People are a little harder on you. I will never do cocaine again. That was my mantra. I will never be ‘Welcome to the Room Again Sara’ here.”

Ironically, the Nicks songs that didn’t make the album’s final cut, the ones that wind up on the second disc of “Tango” B-sides and outtakes, are her most vital of the period. A driving Tom Petty-like rock version of “Ooh My Love,” later re-recorded in a more ethereal fashion for Nicks’ 1989 solo album, “The Other Side of the Mirror,” is a find. We almost had her bewitching, yet still raw, “Joan of Arc” demo, a song Nicks wrote inspired by primatologist Jane Goodall, but she pulled it off the disc last year. “I still want to record it,” she explained. “The song has its really good moments but it’s not good enough to go out as that version.”

Said “Tango” special edition producer Bill Inglot of the outtakes collection: “When I put that stuff together I wanted to create a disc that would be playable. If you can get away with it you try to create a record. I don’t want to put out bonus material or outtakes if people play it once. That’s not the goal to create something.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/entertain...#storylink=cpy

kathy1 03-09-2017 09:33 AM

i hope to order it.

JohnL 03-09-2017 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad (Post 1202680)
Stevie Nicks: Recording ‘Tango’ in my ex-boyfriend’s bedroom was ‘extremely strange’


On Friday, March 10, Fleetwood Mac releases a 30th anniversary expanded edition of one of its most popular and influential albums, “Tango in the Night.” The lavishly packaged reissue offers a remastered version of the original album, a disc of B-sides and outtakes, plus another disc of 12-inch dance mixes of its hit singles like “Big Love” and “Little Lies” and a vinyl LP.

The 30th anniversary edition of Fleetwood Mac’s 1987 album, “Tango in the Night,” hits retail on March 10. The album includes four Top 40 singles, “Big Love,” “Seven Wonders,” “Little Lies” and “Everywhere” and remains the last studio album to feature the original “Rumours” lineup.

For Stevie Nicks, the group’s star attraction, recording her parts for the 1987 album proved difficult. After the completion of a ragged tour for her third solo album, 1985’s “Rock a Little,” she went into rehab at the Betty Ford Center for a cocaine addiction. After her release, she was misguidedly placed on a Klonopin regimen. Few in her inner circle thought rehab would stick unless she was dosed on anxiety medication. They were wrong.

Her first test: joining her Fleetwood Mac band mates for the 1986 tracking sessions for “Tango in the Night.” The band hadn’t recorded since the release of “Mirage” in 1982.

Nicks’ ex-boyfriend Lindsey Buckingham, the group’s guitarist, was co-producing the band’s efforts, again, but this time the tension was poisonous, even by Fleetwood Mac’s standards.

“When I started recording for ‘Tango,’ they were recording at Lindsey’s house up on Mulholland somewhere. He lived there with his girlfriend Cheri and this record was being recorded at his house and I didn’t find that to be a great situation for me. Especially coming out of rehab,” Nicks said in an interview last year. “And then I was on Klonopin and not quite understanding why I was feeling so weird and this doctor kept saying, ‘This is what you need.’ It’s the typical scenario of a groupie doctor. Discuss rock and roll with you, so in order to do that he would keep upping your dose so you’d come in once a week.”

Nicks sets the scenario: “I can remember going up there and not being happy to even be there and we were doing vocals in their master bedroom and that was extremely strange. In all fairness, it was like the only empty room and they had a beautiful master bedroom all set up like a vocal booth but I found it very uncomfortable, personally. I guess I didn’t go very often and when I did go I would get like, ‘Give me a shot of brandy and let me sing on four or five songs off the top of my head.’”

At her urging, Nicks said, Buckingham would cue up one of his songs or Christine McVie’s. Stevie would blend in like she always had. Except it wasn’t like she always had.

“I’d leave and he’d take all my vocals off,” Nicks said. “And I’m not blaming him for that because I’m sure they totally sucked. Vocals done when you’re crazy and drinking a cup of brandy probably aren’t usually going to be great and Lindsey is very precise when recording. … I wasn’t into it.”

For all of its problems in creation, “Tango in the Night” was a hit with consumers worldwide. In the U.S. the album spent 44 weeks in the Billboard Top 40 and spawned five chart singles, the biggest being McVie’s infectious “Little Lies.” The album was ultimately a hit with Nicks, as well. She feels the songs Buckingham contributed to the album — “Big Love,” “Caroline,” the title track, “Family Man” and his cowrite with McVie, “Isn’t it Midnight” — represent his best set of songs on any Fleetwood Mac album.

“Tango” has grown in stature since its release. The band has oft-been cited as an inspiration by alternative pop, rock and country acts like the Dixie Chicks, Little Big Town, Smashing Pumpkins, R.E.M., Hole, Haim, Sheryl Crow, Mumford and Sons, Ladies of the Canyon, Best Coast and Camper Van Beethoven.

“Tango in the Night” songs have been covered by a growing number of next generation and vintage acts. Vampire Weekend and Moustache each recorded McVie’s “Everywhere,” as did R&B star Chaka Khan. Singer-actress Hillary Duff, Ari Hest and Anna Ternheim all cut “Little Lies.” One Direction might as well be covering a “Tango” or “Mirage” track, given how close the British boy band channeled ’80s Fleetwood Mac on the 2016 cut, “What a Feeling.” Ditto Little Big Town on “Night On Our Side,” a track from the country group’s new album, “The Breaker.”

Since McVie’s return to the band in 2014, the “Tango in the Night” material has once again taken its place in the band’s concert setlist with her “Little Lies” and “Everywhere” among the highlights. Nicks’ “Seven Wonders” even returned on the 2014-15 On With the Show Tour’s first leg for the first time in 27 years, thanks to its featured spot during her acting debut on FX’s “American Horror Story: Coven” in 2014.

The “Tango” reissue’s remastering reinvigorates the music in a way the original 1987 CD release never could. There’s a new sense of muscle to the Mick Fleetwood-John McVie rhythm section on the title track. There’s air in the mix, allowing for the intricate harmonies and instrumentation — both organic and synthesized — to reveal its subtle layers. Disc three of the deluxe package offers 14 tracks of 12-inch remixes by that decade’s prominent DJs and remixers Arthur Baker and Jellybean. Fleetwood Mac, like seemingly everyone else in the Me Decade, found its footing in the dance clubs.

Some of the unearthed B-sides and outtakes, like McVie’s exotic and percussive “Ricky” and Buckingham’s hook-filled “Down Endless Street” and reflective “Special Kind of Love” are superior to a handful of songs that made the original 12-track running order.

“Tango” remains the last studio album to feature Fleetwood Mac’s “Rumours” lineup. Alas, Nicks’ discomfort in the studio shows in her performances. Her best song here, “Seven Wonders,” was actually written by Texan composer Sandy Stewart. Nicks contributed one line. “I was so used to saying ‘All the way down to Emmiline’ so we used that. I asked Sandy, a really good friend of mine, and she said fine. It totally created a character. It was a song I loved. … And on that show [“AHS”] I got to make a full-on music video,” said Nicks.

“Welcome to the Room…Sara” is Nicks’ oddest song, with vocals that veer off-key, but as the reissue reveals, it’s among her most personal.

With lyrics cribbed from Nicks’ Bella Donna outtake, “Blue Lamp,” the song is redeemed musically mostly by Fleetwood’s inventive, island-flavored drum pattern. The music, Nicks said, was inspired by the 1986 David + David hit, “Welcome to the Boomtown.”

‘“Welcome to the Room … Sara’ was written about Betty Ford [Center.] I went in there as Sara Anderson – the one and only time I was married, to my friend Robin’s husband Kim Anderson,” said Nicks. “I was inspired by the fact when you go into Betty Ford it is like, ‘Welcome to the room whoever you are,’ because it is one big room and you spend 30 days in there. Quite an experience you go through from day one to day 30. … It is a little more weird when you are famous. People are a little harder on you. I will never do cocaine again. That was my mantra. I will never be ‘Welcome to the Room Again Sara’ here.”

Ironically, the Nicks songs that didn’t make the album’s final cut, the ones that wind up on the second disc of “Tango” B-sides and outtakes, are her most vital of the period. A driving Tom Petty-like rock version of “Ooh My Love,” later re-recorded in a more ethereal fashion for Nicks’ 1989 solo album, “The Other Side of the Mirror,” is a find. We almost had her bewitching, yet still raw, “Joan of Arc” demo, a song Nicks wrote inspired by primatologist Jane Goodall, but she pulled it off the disc last year. “I still want to record it,” she explained. “The song has its really good moments but it’s not good enough to go out as that version.”

Said “Tango” special edition producer Bill Inglot of the outtakes collection: “When I put that stuff together I wanted to create a disc that would be playable. If you can get away with it you try to create a record. I don’t want to put out bonus material or outtakes if people play it once. That’s not the goal to create something.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/entertain...#storylink=cpy

I would love for Stevie to record a new version of Joan of Arc. I hope this happens for her next solo cd.

wheart 03-09-2017 10:33 AM

Very cool to hear some behind the scenes stories about the making of Tango. Most interviews deal with recording of Rumors and Tusk so it's nice to hear something new. I'm looking forward to the reissue.

sorcerer999 03-09-2017 11:05 AM

Wow! Great news about "Joan of arc"! We can now add that to the list of "potential" songs for her next vault album! That makes me so happy!

DashingDan 03-09-2017 11:12 AM

Juicy little interview/article. I appreciate her candor regarding her performance level and motivation during the making of that record. Now it all makes a bit more sense; get in, get out and get it over with.

bombaysaffires 03-09-2017 12:15 PM

interesting how she's saying relatively positive, or understanding, comments about LB.

She's very good when she's in "promotion" mode and she's doing her bit to promote this reissue.;)

Macfan4life 03-09-2017 12:30 PM

Love it. Thanks for posting. Funny how she says her vocals probably sucked and it was ok for Lindsey to remove them.

BLY 03-09-2017 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1202700)
Love it. Thanks for posting. Funny how she says her vocals probably sucked and it was ok for Lindsey to remove them.




Yeah....but I would like to have heard them.

dreamsunwind 03-09-2017 04:00 PM

Haha, this is a good interview, funny title. It says she said "last year" though so I guess it wasn't done recently?

However, I never quite understand her klonopin timeline. I know she says they started giving it to her after she got out of rehab in 85, but I don't think it really became a problem until a while later, like later 80s? There's this really fantastic long interview she has from 1986 with Molly Meldrum that's on YouTube and she seems very clear headed and like her normal Stevie self. Whereas her interviews from the earlier 80s are always very obvious that she's high and her interviews from later 80s-90s very obvious that she's on klonopin, this one is a gem. But in this interview, she makes it seem like the klonopin was affecting her right from the start.

SisterNightroad 03-09-2017 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamsunwind (Post 1202717)
Haha, this is a good interview, funny title. It says she said "last year" though so I guess it wasn't done recently?

However, I never quite understand her klonopin timeline. I know she says they started giving it to her after she got out of rehab in 85, but I don't think it really became a problem until a while later, like later 80s? There's this really fantastic long interview she has from 1986 with Molly Meldrum that's on YouTube and she seems very clear headed and like her normal Stevie self. Whereas her interviews from the earlier 80s are always very obvious that she's high and her interviews from later 80s-90s very obvious that she's on klonopin, this one is a gem. But in this interview, she makes it seem like the klonopin was affecting her right from the start.

She started klonopin in late '86, not '85, and as she said also here her doses got progressively increased until she eventually went to rehab in 1993.
I think the interviewer simply meant past solar year, as 2016, also because they wouldn't otherwise have known the date of the Tango reissue. Probably she talked with them around last December.

lilyfee 03-11-2017 11:09 AM

Wow, a lot we haven't heard before... Welcome to the Room, Sara originally contained Blue Lamp lyrics?

Her limited Tango participation makes so much more sense now, and I'm very excited that Stevie still plans to record more, despite what she said in the recent Rolling Stone article.:rolleyes:

Was it common knowledge that Tango was recorded in Lindsey's bedroom?? Yikes. No wonder she felt uncomfortable.:distress:

bwboy 03-11-2017 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by lilyfee (Post 1202958)
Wow, a lot we haven't heard before... Welcome to the Room, Sara originally contained Blue Lamp lyrics? :

"Ooh downstairs where the big old house is mine, ooh upstairs where the stars laugh and shine." Interesting how different they sound!

Steviegirl 03-11-2017 07:08 PM

Was it common knowledge that Tango was recorded in Lindsey's bedroom?? Yikes. No wonder she felt uncomfortable.:distress:[/QUOTE][/B]

Right?!

secondhandchain 03-11-2017 09:10 PM

So she still wants to record Joan of Arc? I thought she was TOO old to be in the studio. Her excuses about not recording with FM are such lies! She just doesnt want to record with THEM.

snroxman 03-12-2017 09:45 AM

Wow, her level of involvement after reading all the comments now makes sense. I remember some things from around that time (dating myself here).

She wasn't the only one with "issues", a need to "supplement" instruments electronically, and recording in your ex's bedroom? Eek!

I agree, though, it would have been nice on this release to have heard more of those "oooo" , "aaaaa" vocals that were erased. But, that's ok.

I wasn't sure I was going to buy this release. But, after reading all this, I think I will. This was one of my favorite areas musically.

michelej1 03-13-2017 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steviegirl (Post 1203008)
Was it common knowledge that Tango was recorded in Lindsey's bedroom?? Yikes. No wonder she felt uncomfortable.:distress:

[/B]

Right?![/QUOTE]

No. Some parts may have been recorded there, but I would think very little. Lindsey said he kept the recording out of the house, for his girlfriend's sake. Mick said in his book,

Quote:

"It took us 18 months, working under completely different conditions from what we were used. We had started out at Rumbo Sound in the Valley, where the basic tracks were cut. We then moved production to the studio Lindsey built in the garage of his house, called the Slope, where we would mix and do the overdubs. It wasn't really a proper studio per se; everything was recorded right in the control room. The acoustics were the wooden floor, the bathroom, the carpet, the hallway. To minimize wear and tear to the property, John Courage brought in a trailer with phones and a TV and a place to hang out."
Michele

petep9000 03-27-2017 09:19 AM

I don't want to hear Stevie 2017 sing "Joan of Arc" considering we have an almost perfect version of it already in her Tango voice. It would sound awful now. Sorry. Not being a hater, I just don't think her vocals now would do it justice since we're so used to the other version.

SisterNightroad 03-27-2017 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by petep9000 (Post 1204695)
I don't want to hear Stevie 2017 sing "Joan of Arc" considering we have an almost perfect version of it already in her Tango voice. It would sound awful now. Sorry. Not being a hater, I just don't think her vocals now would do it justice since we're so used to the other version.

Many said the same thing about All The Beautiful Worlds but eventually they changed idea.

StevieandChris 03-27-2017 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SisterNightroad (Post 1204698)
Many said the same thing about All The Beautiful Worlds but eventually they changed idea.

I LOVE the 24KG version of All the Beautiful Worlds and I love the 1980s outtake but not the one on the recent reissue. I think of the official version as the moody, atmospheric version and love it in certain moods, and think of the other version as the "dance party" version. 😊😝 same with If You Were My Love and the Mirage outtake.

I have not heard a version of Joan of Arc that I have actually liked. What is the best demo?

I do not like the demos of 24 KG or Mabel Normand but love the official versions in her current voice. Maybe Joan of Arc will be amazing done now.

SisterNightroad 03-27-2017 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by StevieandChris (Post 1204701)
I LOVE the 24KG version of All the Beautiful Worlds and I love the 1980s outtake but not the one on the recent reissue. I think of the official version as the moody, atmospheric version and love it in certain moods, and think of the other version as the "dance party" version. 😊😝 same with If You Were My Love and the Mirage outtake.

I have not heard a version of Joan of Arc that I have actually liked. What is the best demo?

I do not like the demos of 24 KG or Mabel Normand but love the official versions in her current voice. Maybe Joan of Arc will be amazing done now.

The most polished version we have is this one, I personally like it very much:


bwboy 03-27-2017 11:33 AM

Thanks for the link, SisterNightroad. The song has a very moody atmosphere.

StevieandChris 03-27-2017 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SisterNightroad (Post 1204702)
The most polished version we have is this one, I personally like it very much:


Thanks! I like the music but not the lyrics/vocal so I guess this is just one of her songs that doesn't resonate with me right now.

bombaysaffires 03-27-2017 04:39 PM

here's the earlier demo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enRcrdGX95I

I really prefer the big booming drums on this one.

lilyfee 03-27-2017 06:12 PM

Wow. What is this song about? Haunting and kind of creepy. "Turn to the wall"?? What does that mean? Stevie better record this for real, because this would have been a great addition to the Tango deluxe album. Actually, the album itself... Why was this not included to begin with?:eek::confused:

StevieandChris 03-28-2017 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by lilyfee (Post 1204741)
Wow. What is this song about? Haunting and kind of creepy. "Turn to the wall"?? What does that mean? Stevie better record this for real, because this would have been a great addition to the Tango deluxe album. Actually, the album itself... Why was this not included to begin with?:eek::confused:

So I have to confess I am already changing my mind about the lyrics/vocal. Keep thinking about the song so she did her job! I do think she could do a fantastic job, maybe even a better take now...hope she does.

Frankenstein 03-28-2017 01:23 PM

I wouldn't mind if Stevie were to record Joan of Arc but if she did, I'd hope that she would reduce some of the repetitive "Turn to the wall" lyrics.

24karatstevie 03-29-2017 01:46 PM

I'm all for Joan of Arc being Re-Recorded. Possibly a 24 Karat Gold pt 2? I feel like she would come around to doing a solo album as opposed to a Mac album since her stance is pretty clear about that.

24karatstevie 03-29-2017 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankenstein (Post 1204784)
I wouldn't mind if Stevie were to record Joan of Arc but if she did, I'd hope that she would reduce some of the repetitive "Turn to the wall" lyrics.

See that's my favorite part of the song! But yeah it is pretty repetitive.

SisterNightroad 03-29-2017 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lilyfee (Post 1204741)
Wow. What is this song about? Haunting and kind of creepy. "Turn to the wall"?? What does that mean? Stevie better record this for real, because this would have been a great addition to the Tango deluxe album. Actually, the album itself... Why was this not included to begin with?:eek::confused:

It was recently revealed that it's been inspired by Jane Goodall.

However my favourite thing about that demo is the oriental-like music.

DauphineMarie 03-29-2017 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad (Post 1204896)
It was recently revealed that it's been inspired by Jane Goodall.

However my favourite thing about that demo is the oriental-like music.

I think this might be some sort of mistake... There's no way that the hauntingly dark lyrics of Joan of Arc have anything to do with chimpanzees... I just don't believe that.

SisterNightroad 03-29-2017 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DauphineMarie (Post 1204900)
I think this might be some sort of mistake... There's no way that the hauntingly dark lyrics of Joan of Arc have anything to do with chimpanzees... I just don't believe that.

I thought about it too at first, but it would be strange that noone in the Stevie management noticed it and had it corrected.

bwboy 03-29-2017 04:07 PM

In an interview Stevie gave to USA Today when Street Angel was released, she mentioned she was going to sing Jane live that evening at a benefit for Jane Goodall, possibly the only time she ever sang it live. I mention this only because it seems odd to me she would have written two different songs about Jane Goodall between 1986 and 1994. Plus, Jane is, well, pretty obviously about Jane Goodall. Joan of Arc, not so much.

Having said that, there do seem to be some minor similarities between the two songs, such as the references to "the wall." Maybe Stevie wrote Joan of Arc about something else, but when she wrote Jane, she incorporated some of the ideas or lyrics from Joan of Arc into Jane. Just speculation.

SisterNightroad 03-29-2017 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bwboy (Post 1204912)
In an interview Stevie gave to USA Today when Street Angel was released, she mentioned she was going to sing Jane live that evening at a benefit for Jane Goodall, possibly the only time she ever sang it live. I mention this only because it seems odd to me she would have written two different songs about Jane Goodall between 1986 and 1994. Plus, Jane is, well, pretty obviously about Jane Goodall. Joan of Arc, not so much.

Having said that, there do seem to be some minor similarities between the two songs, such as the references to "the wall." Maybe Stevie wrote Joan of Arc about something else, but when she wrote Jane, she incorporated some of the ideas or lyrics from Joan of Arc into Jane. Just speculation.

I don't think that's the way to take it.
She said "inspired", not that it is about Jane Goodall's life. We need to remember that, as Stevie said more than once, her songs usually aren't about a person per se, but they're about herself and she took inspiration by the comparison with big figures, for example the last instance of Mable Normand.
There have been many times in which Stevie wrote entire groups of songs that revolved around a current interest of hers with a famous character or personality. The biggest example probably is her fascination with Lilian Hellmann and with the movie Julia that recounted the friendship between Lilian and Julia and in which Stevie recognized her own friendship with Robin, and around this theme she created the song characters of Lily and Julia that appear in Rock a Little, Julia, Lily Girl and Mirror Mirror.

petep9000 03-29-2017 09:44 PM

I assumed "Joan of Arc" was about Betty Ford and the "turn to the wall" part was about the nurse having Stevie turn to the wall on the stretcher while they did a cavity check to make sure she didn't smuggle drugs in.

StevieandChris 03-29-2017 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 24karatstevie (Post 1204892)
I'm all for Joan of Arc being Re-Recorded. Possibly a 24 Karat Gold pt 2? I feel like she would come around to doing a solo album as opposed to a Mac album since her stance is pretty clear about that.

I hope we got another solo album! I am convinced her piracy/no one buys records excuse is code for there's not enough money to make her record with Lindsey right now, even if Christine is back haha. Disappointing but understandable. Maybe she'll change her mind next year. There's no way to know. I do know I want a new solo album.

Nathan 03-31-2017 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by petep9000 (Post 1204948)
I assumed "Joan of Arc" was about Betty Ford and the "turn to the wall" part was about the nurse having Stevie turn to the wall on the stretcher while they did a cavity check to make sure she didn't smuggle drugs in.

This is the money right here. Nailed it. 💯

SisterNightroad 03-31-2017 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by petep9000 (Post 1204948)
I assumed "Joan of Arc" was about Betty Ford and the "turn to the wall" part was about the nurse having Stevie turn to the wall on the stretcher while they did a cavity check to make sure she didn't smuggle drugs in.

I used to think this too, but actually the demos of Joan of Arc date back to March 1986, months before she got into rehab, and they were among the demos she sent to the band while she was still touring for RAL.
Probably those lines are about what she knew about the rehab experience second-handedly?
However very probably the lines "And I don't even know why you left me
She saw it all, it was a tiresome ending
He stormed out, hearing the door slamming
Behind him
Ooh, she didn't even know why he left her"


are about Joe Walsh.

svnwndrs 03-31-2017 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by petep9000 (Post 1204948)
I assumed "Joan of Arc" was about Betty Ford and the "turn to the wall" part was about the nurse having Stevie turn to the wall on the stretcher while they did a cavity check to make sure she didn't smuggle drugs in.

:lol: whoo, what imagery! Dang that made me crack up! Thank you for that! Haha! :p

wheart 03-31-2017 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by StevieandChris (Post 1204963)
I hope we got another solo album! I am convinced her piracy/no one buys records excuse is code for there's not enough money to make her record with Lindsey right now, even if Christine is back haha. Disappointing but understandable. Maybe she'll change her mind next year. There's no way to know. I do know I want a new solo album.

I think she will do another solo album after next year's FM tour...


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