Christine: no more FM tours with SN or JM
 

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Christine McVie says no more Fleetwood Mac tours with John McVie or Stevie Nicks, maybe Mick has plans but likelihood no more tours

Christine McVie says no more Fleetwood Mac tours with John McVie or Stevie Nicks, maybe Mick has plans but likelihood no more tours

— fmfanuk �� (@fmfanuk) February 7, 2021

Yep, basically Christine, John and Stevie seem to have checked out of Fleetwood Mac

— fmfanuk �� (@fmfanuk) February 7, 2021

She said it wasn’t a question she could answer easily, re touring again, but if they did it would be without John and Stevie. Chris also said she felt she was maybe too old for it now.

She said John was “a little frail” and doesn’t have “the heart” to tour any longer.

No reason behind why she said Stevie wouldn’t.

Sad but inevitable.

https://retropopmagazine.com/stevie-...vq3dnYnb8rnubw

Stevie Nicks, Christine and John McVie ‘quit Fleetwood Mac’
Retro Pop February 7, 2021
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Fleetwood Mac rose to become one of the biggest bands of all time in the mid-’70s with mega-hits like Dreams, Go Your Own Way, Little Lies and Rhiannon…

But in an interview with BBC Radio 2, singer and pianist Christine McVie hinted she, singer Stevie Nicks and bass player John McVie won’t be touring with the band in the future.

When asked whether Fleetwood Mac’s current line-up – starring Stevie, Christine, Neil Finn, John Mcvie, Mike Campbell and Mick Fleetwood – would tour again, the Songbird star told Sounds of the 70s with Johnnie Walker: “That’s an impossible question to even answer.



“If we do, it would be without John and without Stevie, I think. I think I’m getting a bit too old for it now – especially having had a year off. I don’t know if I could get myself back into it again.

“I know Mick would do it in a lightning strike, but I couldn’t possibly say… We’re certainly not touring this year either.”

She did not reveal whether the trio would still record with the band.

Reflecting on founding member John’s apparent departure from the group, Christine added: “He’s feeling a little bit frail. You know, he was ill – he’s fine – but he just hasn’t got the heart for it anymore.

“He wants to get on his boat. You reach a certain age where you go, ‘Hey, I’m not gonna bust a gut doing this anymore.

“You know, it all looks very nice when you come and see the show, but the work that goes behind it to get to that point is unbelievable.”

Fleetwood Mac formed in 1967 and enjoyed success in the UK as a blues band, before heading stateside and, after a string of line-up changes, recruited Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks and released their self-titled 10th album.

That line-up, featuring Lindsey, Stevie, Christine, John and Mick went on to release 5 studio albums, including the record-breaking ‘Rumours’, ‘Tusk’ and ‘Tango In the Night’.

Lindsey quit in 1987 and was replaced by Billy Burnette and Rick Vito, who toured the album and recorded follow-up ‘Behind The Mask’.

Rick and Stevie later left, while a hybrid line-up promoted the album ‘Time, after which the classic five reunited for ‘The Dance’ and a subsequent tour.

Fleetwood Mac toured sans Christine from 2003 to 2013 as a four-piece, after which she returned for the 2014-2015 ‘On With the Show’ jaunt.

Lindsey left the band in 2018 and, through 2019, Neil Finn and Mike Campbell joined for another world tour.

Oh wow, its amazing how people stretch an interview to mean things she never said. People run to tweet or twist her statements.

She said any future Fleetwood Mac tour is unlikely and would be iffy. Nothing is planned of course since they just got off the road last year.
She was speaking off the cuff. How can you discard Stevie and John since there are no tours even planned. If no tour is planned and they were never asked, how can you discard them?
Its all hypothetical stuff at this point because there is no discussion of any such event. Johns been meaning to stay on his boat since 1983. Stevie has been discarded a million times.

How can you rule out members of a band for a tour that most likely will never happen, is not planned, and not even discussed.

Her voice sounded very old or maybe she was under the weather. Totally irresponsible for some of those tweets trying to make something out of nothing. She sounded like she would not even commit to a tour. There is no tour planned. John was never asked, and Stevie was never asked.

What would be a true and fair statement to say: In the unlikely event a Fleetwood Mac tour did happen, It would surprise Christine if John or Stevie took part.

A headline John McVie and Stevie Nicks leave Fleetwood Mac is ridiculous. By the sound of her voice, its possible Christine would be the last one committing to any such tour.

I know it’s hard to face, but the day has come. A good chunk of the band are approaching the back side of their 70s. Never say never, but the odds of any kind of tour are probably extremely slim.

The band has already said that they weren’t going to do another big tour, and John has been hinting for a few years that his touring days were coming to an end. Nothing especially new. But a few one-off farewell shows could still happen.

However, it does explain Mick and Lindsey reconnecting. Mick wants to tour and Lindsey wants to tour. Putting Mick on drums would get much more press for Lindsey.

When she was asked....so what’s happening with Fmac this year, anymore tours ?

She replied...well that’s an impossible question to answer..
She then said she was too old, it was very tiring, but didn’t rule herself out.

She did day John would not be touring again, as he was too frail.
But he was okay. But she was very clear about that.

Then very quickly she said, nor Stevie....but she did not enlarge....

I would love a Lindsey/Chris/Mick tour. The music would be incredible and it also would drive Stevie insane :eek:

But you are talking 2 years from now at least. We suspect Chris lost her ability to play the way she used to. Her voice is really struggling too. So if if Chris is not in the mix, it would frustrate me Mick would share the stage with Lindsey.

link to listen - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000s1by

Christine interview is somewhere between 1:20 and 1:40 mark.

songs played:
Christine McVie - Crazy 'Bout You Baby
Fleetwood Mac - Say You Love Me
Fleetwood Mac - Songbird
Fleetwood Mac - Never Going Back Again (in response to Christine answer to which on is her favorite FM song. she says it's her ringtone)

i think Christine sounds really good, even though when introduced they said she has a bit of a cold. most answers were general stock FM responses that we've heard before, other than the response about the possible FM tour. it was interesting, she said "if we ever tour again it would be without John and Stevie" she thinks, but then followed that up immediately by saying that actually she is also getting old and not sure whether she'd do it. but that Mick would do it immediately.

definitely explains Mick's aggressive courting of Lindsey recently.

while i wouldn't mind seeing Mick on drums for Lindsey solo tour, i would hate the price hike Mick's presence would bring, as well as all the stupid Mick's m&gs that would come with it - but hopefully without the best seats in the house. for fans, and possible Lindsey too, Mick presence on Lindsey solo tour takes away from fans more than it brings.

Mick's recent interviews sound to me like throwing all kinds of balls up in the air to see whether anything will stick and whether Lindsey would bite. i can see Mick trying to plot a FM tour with Lindsey-Mick-Christine-Neil Finn-Neale Hayward-Brett Tuggle or some such lineup.

and yeah John wanted to retire for the last 10 years and yet Mick pulled him back in every single time, even roped him in the ridiculous 2018 lineup tour. so John being out is not a given, Christine says she doesn't want to put much work (as she didn't in BuckVie tour or FM tours, she basically just showed up) but sounds open to it.

lineup like above can whip up the album fast, with the team like LB-Mitchell Froom as producing. especially since Mitchell Froom is in current Finn's chimeric band as a keyboardist.

How so? I’m a fan of both guys and love how they always seemed to creatively bounce off one another. It would be fascinating, IMO.

Doubtful, at least as Fleetwood Mac.

The 2018 tour had been in the works since 2015.

Christine played a lot on the 2018 tour, especially on Black Magic Woman and Tell Me All The Things You Do.

I don’t know how interested Mick is about putting a radically new lineup of Fleetwood Mac together, one without John and Stevie, and probably Christine. I think a few farewell shows and maybe some new offshoot with Lindsey, but Fleetwood Mac proper is basically over.

as i already wrote - Mick hikes up expenses. you may have unlimited pot of money to throw away but most of us don't.

i'd rather have a tour in smaller theaters for cheaper with bunch of Lindsey solo stuff like in 2018, than sheds or arenas for more money with less solo and just FM songs plus Micks expensive m&gs to get better seats. and, i can't stand the sleazebag. what his drumming brings is way outweighed by what his presence takes away, for me - and i know for many others who were hoping Mick will not be on BuckVie tour.

anything that can bring him money Mick is interested in. plus he said so in that interview few days ago - he specifically said that he has huge deference to Lindsey and that Finn is one of his dearest friends, and that he would love to have a mutant FM with Lindsey in it before it's all said and done.

and yes, FM proper was over at Musicares. that was the last performance they had. yet they called themselves FM in 2018-19. so that argument doesn't really matter much.


Steve, your posts are hinting that you may have some info coming from Stevie-Azoff camp. would love to hear what that is if you do!

FM proper is Mick and John and whoever is in their band.

I wish. I quit calling management in the late ‘90s. At that, it was largely Dennis, Steve Wax, and Carl, never Azoff. The last management call was my one and only call to John Courage.

too bad. was really hoping you have some legit behind the scenes info. :nod:

so we are all just purely speculating based on our own wishes, perceptions, knowledge of band members and what they told us in the past. still fun! :woohoo:

If John isn’t on board then I can’t imagine a replacement for him. The last tour was an embarrassment. A tour with John now would only increase the pointlessness. The project is done.

And no Stevie? I’m a little surprised, but hey, I can understand.

I bet Mick will start sniffing around Lindsey for work!

I just want one more Christine studio project.

Pretty stoked Crazy 'Bout You Baby was played on national British radio in 2021. The Christine Perfect album is so under-rated.
Cool.

that's the biggest shame of this line up of people. The fact that the last of those measly 5 albums was released in 1987.....and that they've basically been rehashing that material ever since.

Well if John is through touring Fleetwood MAC is no more.

It’ll be Fleetwood and Co
Fleetwood and chums
Fleetwood feat. Buckingham

etc etc.

Based on some of the interviews Stevie has done over the last year, she's feeling rather resentful that her last 'youthful' years are being 'stolen' from her ie preventing her from getting out and doing her solo shows (as Mick pointed out she would have done one already if she'd been able to). She sees the solo shows as really the forum for solidifying herself as a legend; the FM tours as $$$. At this point, with dwindling time left, and now with the $$$ part taken care of with the catalog sale, her desire to really cap her legacy as herself is her priority. A long tedious Mac tour would not serve the legacy and now she doesn't need the money. So yeah, if she surfaces again, it ain't gonna be with FM but solo.

I would say Al Ortiz in a heartbeat. Stevie got her people into the live band throughout the years. Sharon and Lori, Carlos, Ricky Peterson.

Call me sick if you'd like but I think Christine through this interview is reaching out to Lindsey. She's basically saying, Stevie's going to do her own thing, John wants to live a great home life with his family. I'm up for anything right now.

Perfect time for Lindsey to connect with her. They could do extremely well in the UK touring there. I would love to see them at Albert Hall or the Hammersmith!

great analysis that makes tons of sense.

I can actually imagine a perfect replacement for John, but I don’t see Mick doing something even more radical than the 94-95 lineup of Fleetwood Mac. That said…

Neil Murray: One of the things that set Fleetwood Mac apart from The Eagles or CSNY was the driving rhythm section. Neil Murray is bassist who was part of a driving rhythm section with the late Cozy Powell. They were in lots of bands together, including Black Sabbath, Whitesnake, and Peter Green’s Splinter Group. He’s also worked with Martin Birch and Keith Olsen, so there’s a kindredness with him. His background in British blues rock, his history with Peter Green, and having been part of a rhythm section make him kind of the perfect choice.

I agree with the second part of this exactly. and sadly, for many of the concert attendees, any of those listed options would still draw them in. I doubt if many of the casual fans could even identify John in a lineup or could articulate that he's the "Mac" in the band's name. :eek: :shrug:

But Mick would do it in a heartbeat, which means your first statement won't matter to anyone but the true blue fans. :(

It makes the canning of Lindsey all the more upsetting. If John thought it would be his last tour and also if Stevie thought she wouldn't tour again with the Mac, why did they fire Lindsey?

Suck it up for a few months. This band drives me crazy.

Nah I think Flea from TRHCP for John . Lady Gaga for Nicks ,Adele Atkins for Christine and The Weekend for Lindsey...then Mick can having a money making super group again!:blob1:

Just listed to the interview.

In truth, there's not much there. Christine doesn't seem to be basing her conversation on anything in particular, other than there just aren't any plans. I wouldn't expect there to be any plans in place. Planning for the medium/long term hasn't been what Fleetwood Mac have done for 40 years. Having seen images of John on the previous tour, its pretty obvious he's most likely done. In truth, I wouldn't expect anything more from him. He's well and truly earned his retirement and it would be unfair to even think of cajoling him into anything more. Stevie will be intent on doing something Stevie-related next. I don't think there's any big revelation from Chris. I think it's just the case she knows Stevie will be taking her 2 year solo hiatus and that means there's realistically no scope for any future FM-related activity afterwards.

I wish Chris would just stand up and say 'I want to make music', whoever that might be with. She's a musician who hasn't created as much music as she should have done over the past 30 years. Mick, Rick, Lindsey, Neil. Whoever. Just do something productive in some way. She tried retirement and ultimately didn't like it. Take charge and be creative!

btw- Mick's so transparent. His cash cow has gone and he's desperate for something or someone to latch onto.

If they needed a new bass player sans John they'd most likely use Lenny Castellanos

So, Lindsey fans are angry with Fleetwood Mac because they fired him, but don’t want Lindsey to work with Mick because it could possibly raise ticket prices? :shrug:

Well, it’s assumed that if Mick is part of Lindsey’s solo band that Lindsey would be the boss, and things like that, especially at the level where they’d be playing, wouldn’t exist. I doubt Mick would do a M&G. Maybe they would do a joint M&G, but it wouldn’t be like a Fleetwood Mac arena show.

Then again, I’m fine seeing them in nosebleeds and have never done a M&G.

I’d totally get Flea if I thought that was remotely possible! However, in all seriousness, I try to keep it to people with some connection to the band. Like, I could imagine something like this:

Mick Fleetwood
Lindsey Buckingham
Neil Finn
Colbie Caillat
Neil Murray
Mitchell Froom

:lol::lol: you are attempting some very tortured logic, as usual.

1) i'm speaking for myself, not for "Lindsey fans"
2) it's not just Lindsey fans who were angry at Mick, Stevie and Azoff for ousting him, most of the people who joined Lindsey social media groups at the time as well as people on this board angry about it were Fleetwood Mac fans first and foremost. it's a matter of right and wrong. as far as i can tell most Lindsey fans are happy to have Lindsey solo and not waste his time with Fleetwood Mac. Fleetwood Mac and BN fans want him back in Fleetwood Mac.
3) i don't want Mick anywhere near Lindsey's solo touring band. they can work together, or they can be a new version of FM with Christine, Finn and Froom, but Mick should not be in Lindsey solo band. big machine and small machine should be kept separate.


as a fan, i take positions that benefit me (while at the same time getting more music and more rounded legacy from the artist i like) - not positions that benefit Mick's or Azoff's bottom line.

No you weren’t. “for fans, and possible Lindsey too, Mick presence on Lindsey solo tour takes away from fans more than it brings.”

I think it’s up to Lindsey to decide if it helps the music and/or his bottom line.

So maybe that Vegas show in November 2019 that was advertised as "The Final Concert" may've been the last one (4 days later they did a shorter concert in San Francisco...scammers)
What would a one-off even be? Glastonbury, Coachella, or Global Citizen Festival?

should have realized you would know what i'm thinking better than i do. :laugh:

Oh I would have just loved them to do Glasto the year Christine returned.
I saw them in 2015 and they should have done Glastonbury that summer.

As I recall they would not pay them enough. Greed figures so prominently in the history of this band.

Mick had a choice between Peter Green and money in 1970.

They could've done Glasto in 2019 but they booked Wembley instead. Playing Glasto Pyramid is a career pinnacle. The Stones in 2013 lit that place up.

It's pretty amazing--for a bunch of budding Octogenariens, they do a great job of forcing each other to attest to/refute to something one of them says when another one of the speaks unscripted. I expect we will "hear" from Stevie and Mick shortly?
I don't think Christine said anything anyone didn't expect, but I still find it funny. Good for them for still getting headlines when most of them have one foot on a banana peel and the other in the ground.

That's exactly why they canned him. They knew it would be the last major tour.

It was a huge tour already in the works. They knew they could squeeze one last big cash grab, pay the lawsuit and then walk away. Stevie was not touring with him ever again. So that was the only option. One last cash grab with Lindsey would cost them millions,.